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Replying To MesAmis:  "The unfortunate thing is that cause of some within the gaa mindset rte will not loose rights.
If it was a case that they may rte would certainly up their game, but cause of the clambering for free to air, rte dont have to do anything to promote the games as it will make no difference. There is no stick only a carrot. Until the day that the gaa say we will sell exclusive rights to sky or whoever rte will still treat gaa coverage with contempt. Unfortunately
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:9623 - 27/10/2016 18:46:35 1929630

Sky and their revolutionary coverage of GAA is getting as many viewers as Judge Judy.

Why would the GAA sell their rights exclusively to Sky so that hardly anyone would watch the games?

What would be the point of that exactly?"
Money, people watch rte cause its free, trust me if the gaa sold excusive right to sky lot more people would either get sky or go to game's, win win .

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 27/10/2016 21:44:25    1929682

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Replying To MesAmis:  "The unfortunate thing is that cause of some within the gaa mindset rte will not loose rights.
If it was a case that they may rte would certainly up their game, but cause of the clambering for free to air, rte dont have to do anything to promote the games as it will make no difference. There is no stick only a carrot. Until the day that the gaa say we will sell exclusive rights to sky or whoever rte will still treat gaa coverage with contempt. Unfortunately
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:9623 - 27/10/2016 18:46:35 1929630

Sky and their revolutionary coverage of GAA is getting as many viewers as Judge Judy.

Why would the GAA sell their rights exclusively to Sky so that hardly anyone would watch the games?

What would be the point of that exactly?"
But ask yourself one question, why did sky up their bid this time, for such low viewing figures? Viewing figure's are believe it or not irrelevant to a degree, as if you paid your subscription or just didn't drop sports during summer, sky are winning. Sky have a 55% less cancellation during summer in ire since it got gaa,

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 27/10/2016 21:48:32    1929685

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Money, people watch rte cause its free, trust me if the gaa sold excusive right to sky lot more people would either get sky or go to game's, win win .
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:9625 - 27/10/2016 21:44:25 1929682

You'd get a little more money and some extra bums on seats maybe but the games become hidden away behind a wall.

Still over all you've way way less people watching the games.

You don't see any problem with that going forward?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13717 - 27/10/2016 21:53:09    1929686

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Money, people watch rte cause its free, trust me if the gaa sold excusive right to sky lot more people would either get sky or go to game's, win win .
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:9625 - 27/10/2016 21:44:25 1929682

You'd get a little more money and some extra bums on seats maybe but the games become hidden away behind a wall.

Still over all you've way way less people watching the games.

You don't see any problem with that going forward?"
Well at its height only 6 games were ever shown live all ire hurling semi +2 football semi + 2 and finals. Attendance was generally higher (obviously redeveloped croke park added more) are we better off now with saturation coverage than then? I dont think so, its the fast food life syndrome if you like, we must have it now, I think their is a debate that too many games are shown free to air, it brings down attendees Imo, and a consequence of that is either higher ticket prices for those die hard fans who go, or selling to sky to make up the drop off . If all games were pay to watch on TV (finals remains free to air) then gaa would get substantial revenue from sky or eir or whoever may come in. Also more people actually getting up off their asses and actually going to watch games and support them.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 27/10/2016 22:26:59    1929696

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Replying To uibhfhaili1986:  "The delegates at congresss had an opportunity to stop the GAA from selling the rights to Sky ad they decided to allow the rights to be sold."
Right ok, I think we're all familiar with the constitution of the GAA and know that this was approved at congress.

I don't really see how that is that important.

This is an Internet forum, this is where people come to discuss issues that they find contentious or interesting.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 27/10/2016 22:28:45    1929697

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from SportsJoe

UCD lecturer Paul Rouse in an informed and passionate rant, the Irish history and sports expert debunked almost every possible reason the GAA would have for a deal with Sky Sports. Not only a deal - a rumoured new five-year deal.

"They presented this as a deal for emigrants and for some strange reason, remarkably, forgot to mention that this service was already there for emigrants," Rouse said on SportsJOE's GAA Hour.

"GAA GO is supposedly for emigrants, Irish emigrants all over the world - except in Britain, where all those games are on Sky and you can't get it. The games that are on Sky are not on GAA GO so, if you're an Irish emigrant in Britain - which is where the greatest number of Irish emigrants are - you can't watch those games on GAA GO. You have to buy a GAA GO subscription and a Sky subscription."

Still, it looks like those rights are about to be renewed.

"What is absolutely clear here is that this is a complete triumph of the unimportance of evidence," Rouse blasted the GAA. "I take the point that you might want to try it, but then when you look at the facts...

"Now, you're basically saying, 'well, you know what, we're going again and not only are we going again, we're going harder this time.'

"You say you want to have a debate with the GAA, there's actually no point. This is a deal that has been done, there is no changing the minds on this.

"Those of us who oppose it, I regret to say this but we should just fold our tents and go home because we have lost and lost hugely."

jimski (Kildare) - Posts: 381 - 27/10/2016 23:20:30    1929712

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Replying To jimski:  "from SportsJoe

UCD lecturer Paul Rouse in an informed and passionate rant, the Irish history and sports expert debunked almost every possible reason the GAA would have for a deal with Sky Sports. Not only a deal - a rumoured new five-year deal.

"They presented this as a deal for emigrants and for some strange reason, remarkably, forgot to mention that this service was already there for emigrants," Rouse said on SportsJOE's GAA Hour.

"GAA GO is supposedly for emigrants, Irish emigrants all over the world - except in Britain, where all those games are on Sky and you can't get it. The games that are on Sky are not on GAA GO so, if you're an Irish emigrant in Britain - which is where the greatest number of Irish emigrants are - you can't watch those games on GAA GO. You have to buy a GAA GO subscription and a Sky subscription."

Still, it looks like those rights are about to be renewed.

"What is absolutely clear here is that this is a complete triumph of the unimportance of evidence," Rouse blasted the GAA. "I take the point that you might want to try it, but then when you look at the facts...

"Now, you're basically saying, 'well, you know what, we're going again and not only are we going again, we're going harder this time.'

"You say you want to have a debate with the GAA, there's actually no point. This is a deal that has been done, there is no changing the minds on this.

"Those of us who oppose it, I regret to say this but we should just fold our tents and go home because we have lost and lost hugely.""
in fairness to the other point of view..paul rouse has been consistently biased and against the deal so his opinions and use of viewership stats are hardly the most objective now...obviously sky have far more information available to them and evidently want it..the question is why are sky paying so much for it if they feel its not a worthwhile investment for them?

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 27/10/2016 23:36:08    1929719

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It's panning out as I predicted. I believe the GAA are about to hand over sole broadcasting rights to Gaelic Games in Britain AND the North to SKY. It will go exactly the same way as the Irish international soccer matches. People in the North CANNOT get Ireland's matches on RTE through SKY as they are blocked out. Watch and observe as The Sunday Game Live is gradually blocked out for Northern viewers on SKY especially when RTE and SKY are BOTH showing games at the same time. I can also see the Sunday evening Sunday Game being blocked out in the North forcing people to solely go through SKY SPORTS for GAA coverage. SKY are going to want some payback on this and I believe Croke Park and RTE won't lose a minute's sleep blocking the Sunday Game for Northern viewers; they will hide behind 'broadcasting rights' etc. The FAI and RTE didn't give a monkey's over the Irish soccer matches and Gaelic Games will go the same way.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 27/10/2016 23:47:23    1929724

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Replying To alano12:  "in fairness to the other point of view..paul rouse has been consistently biased and against the deal so his opinions and use of viewership stats are hardly the most objective now...obviously sky have far more information available to them and evidently want it..the question is why are sky paying so much for it if they feel its not a worthwhile investment for them?"
They make a tonne of money from people going down to the pub to watch it.

You also don't need that many new subscriptions to justify the spending, since adding sky sports is in the region of €240, they also do better than that selling the €600 or so a year basic package that could have been going to a competitor. 10k new subscribers is a minimum €2.4m extra revenue not taking into consideration pub money, which is where I hear the real money is made from live sports.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 28/10/2016 08:13:46    1929741

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Replying To Whammo86:  "They make a tonne of money from people going down to the pub to watch it.

You also don't need that many new subscriptions to justify the spending, since adding sky sports is in the region of €240, they also do better than that selling the €600 or so a year basic package that could have been going to a competitor. 10k new subscribers is a minimum €2.4m extra revenue not taking into consideration pub money, which is where I hear the real money is made from live sports."
Dont know where you got 240, mine costs 6 e per month on top of my normal subscription, so its 72pa. Now perhaps if you a new customer, but even then I think there is special deals. But yes sky make their money from the business trade mostly.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 28/10/2016 14:05:59    1929834

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Dont know where you got 240, mine costs 6 e per month on top of my normal subscription, so its 72pa. Now perhaps if you a new customer, but even then I think there is special deals. But yes sky make their money from the business trade mostly."
Didn't some other poster say earlier on that they are paying 100 euro a month for it?

RD you epitomise everything wrong with modern ireland. I'm alright jack so feck the rest of ye.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 28/10/2016 14:34:08    1929841

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Replying To gotmilk:  "Didn't some other poster say earlier on that they are paying 100 euro a month for it?

RD you epitomise everything wrong with modern ireland. I'm alright jack so feck the rest of ye."
Feck the spongers. Absolutely, I worked damn hard for what I have. No one is entitled to nothing for nothing.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 28/10/2016 15:55:52    1929869

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Feck the spongers. Absolutely, I worked damn hard for what I have. No one is entitled to nothing for nothing."
Are you suggesting that everyone who can't afford sky is a sponger?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 28/10/2016 16:59:20    1929888

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Replying To gotmilk:  "Are you suggesting that everyone who can't afford sky is a sponger?"
Not them all no, but vast majority are. The entitlement brigade, destroying modern ire. Let someone else pay for me while I sip me Dutch gold watching Jeremy Kyle before I head to bookies. All paid for by those of us who bothered to work hard paying for everything while they bleed the country dry.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 28/10/2016 19:11:41    1929914

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Replying To gotmilk:  "Are you suggesting that everyone who can't afford sky is a sponger?"
Btw to be quite clear anyone who cannot afford sky are not spongers, but those who can but choose to spend their money in pubs, bookies or casino's or whatever frivolities that are non necessities then whinge about sky are whingers and vast majority of them have more disposable income than most people who actually work .

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 28/10/2016 19:41:30    1929921

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Not them all no, but vast majority are. The entitlement brigade, destroying modern ire. Let someone else pay for me while I sip me Dutch gold watching Jeremy Kyle before I head to bookies. All paid for by those of us who bothered to work hard paying for everything while they bleed the country dry."
Jesus christ you can not be a real person with emotions and feelings and all those other things people have.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 28/10/2016 21:12:57    1929937

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Btw to be quite clear anyone who cannot afford sky are not spongers, but those who can but choose to spend their money in pubs, bookies or casino's or whatever frivolities that are non necessities then whinge about sky are whingers and vast majority of them have more disposable income than most people who actually work ."
How many unemployed people do you know? You don't strike me as the type that would knock about those who are not in the same social circle as yourself. Are you privy to the accounts of those on social welfare or state benefits?
Surely if these people have more disposable income like you suggest then they should be able to afford sky and the fact they are unemployed means they should be able to afford it.

RD you have summed up everything that is wrong with the 32 counties on this island in your last two posts.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 28/10/2016 21:29:35    1929939

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Replying To gotmilk:  "How many unemployed people do you know? You don't strike me as the type that would knock about those who are not in the same social circle as yourself. Are you privy to the accounts of those on social welfare or state benefits?
Surely if these people have more disposable income like you suggest then they should be able to afford sky and the fact they are unemployed means they should be able to afford it.

RD you have summed up everything that is wrong with the 32 counties on this island in your last two posts."
I'm glad you agree with me. The entitlement brigade is exactly what's wrong with Ireland today. Everyone knows the type I'm talking about, the people who feel its more important to get their slabs of booze in than make sure their kids have a healthy breakfast or dinner. The layabout who only goes out to sign, collect dole or go to bookies, then complain about water charges, the guy who gets everything for nothing, for no other reason than been bone idle lazy, who thinks its a great career move for his teenage daughter to get pregnant so she can get a council house. Who wouldn't want to pay into gaa match cause he can watch it for free on his 64 inch plasma screen. I'm sick of them sorts. Middle Ireland is sick of subsidising their lazy lifestyle, take everything and give little back to society.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 28/10/2016 22:27:18    1929948

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Replying To Whammo86:  "They make a tonne of money from people going down to the pub to watch it.

You also don't need that many new subscriptions to justify the spending, since adding sky sports is in the region of €240, they also do better than that selling the €600 or so a year basic package that could have been going to a competitor. 10k new subscribers is a minimum €2.4m extra revenue not taking into consideration pub money, which is where I hear the real money is made from live sports."
im somewhat disappointed that tv3 didnt put in a strong bid for it as i cant imagine sky wanted it that badly considering tv3 have been spending plenty of money on other sports recently

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 28/10/2016 22:35:40    1929951

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Replying To gotmilk:  "How many unemployed people do you know? You don't strike me as the type that would knock about those who are not in the same social circle as yourself. Are you privy to the accounts of those on social welfare or state benefits?
Surely if these people have more disposable income like you suggest then they should be able to afford sky and the fact they are unemployed means they should be able to afford it.

RD you have summed up everything that is wrong with the 32 counties on this island in your last two posts."
i must admit gotmilk from my own personal experiences in the last few years that a lot of the people who i have seen give out about the sky deal in my area wouldnt go to gaa matches, wouldnt have anything to do with it and love a good whinge.....there is people with valid complaints who cant afford it but there is also an element that is a moaner brigade

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 28/10/2016 22:37:10    1929952

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