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Replying To gotmilk: "Serious RD you might want to get off that high horse that you are perched on. Tell me again about how much you pay for the BBC that you receive free of charge?" I dont receive any bbc channels free, I receive them via my sky package which I pay for, you know the one that you dont think you should pay for. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 20/09/2016 13:06:45 1916886 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "I dont receive any bbc channels free, I receive them via my sky package which I pay for, you know the one that you dont think you should pay for." You do realise that the Irish government have reached a deal with the uk allowing those in the North to receive RTE. We aren't getting it for free. Eamon Ryan signed it with Ben Bradshaw who secretary for media and culture or something like that in 2010. gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 20/09/2016 14:16:50 1916928 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "You do know that's the sports news? Dont you? And regardless of having rights or not they would be showing that segment. But sure don't worry didn't you watch It for free off my and others license fee paying for your privilege." The GAA is a national organisation which covers the 32 counties of Ireland. RTE happens to be the national broadcaster covering our games in the 32 counties. I'm glad to hear that you pay for you licence, however it is not necessary in part of our country to pay the RTE licence. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 20/09/2016 14:48:00 1916948 Link
@Ormond I wouldn't want the GAA to be insular either. Nothing wrong with being aware of what other sports are doing but I don't think what they do is all the important to us. Other sports have fragmented ownership of their games. Leagues sell their own leagues. They've a responsibility to their stakeholders to get the best deal and are more like businesses. The GAA is not in the game to maximise profits. It's there to promote our games. If that means selling rights to pay TV then so be it. There are legitimate costs to that though. Disgruntled membership. Lower viewing figures for the games. This OP was mainly critical of the attitude O Ferghaill was treating the membership with. There was no need for him to say "people don't have a right to see every game" (paraphrasing because I can't be bothered looking up the exact quote). That is really irritating. Why can't he just say something along the lines of "I understand people's reservations over this, but overall we feel that dealing with sky is best for the association." No need to antagonise people. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 20/09/2016 16:46:59 1917020 Link
@Ormond I wouldn't want the GAA to be insular either. Nothing wrong with being aware of what other sports are doing but I don't think what they do is all the important to us. Other sports have fragmented ownership of their games. Leagues sell their own leagues. They've a responsibility to their stakeholders to get the best deal and are more like businesses. The GAA is not in the game to maximise profits. It's there to promote our games. If that means selling rights to pay TV then so be it. There are legitimate costs to that though. Disgruntled membership. Lower viewing figures for the games. This OP was mainly critical of the attitude O Ferghaill was treating the membership with. There was no need for him to say "people don't have a right to see every game" (paraphrasing because I can't be bothered looking up the exact quote). That is really irritating. Why can't he just say something along the lines of "I understand people's reservations over this, but overall we feel that dealing with sky is best for the association." No need to antagonise people. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts:963 - 20/09/2016 16:46:59What other sports do is relevant as a comparison. All sporting organisations look to what GAA do considering its role in sport in the country. GAA is as much a business as any other sporting organisation. GAA isn't in game to maximise profits but that's the same with IRFU, Munster Rugby as well. But people don't have the right to see every game live on tv. And saying that was the right thing to say. ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 20/09/2016 17:44:30 1917055 Link
browncows: "Maybe you are not aware but it is not that long ago when there were no matches in Ulster or Connaught televised by RTE except their provincial finals. I like to see RTE with competition because when the had sole rights they only televised a few matches. Sky spreads our games and it means there are more matches being televised. There should be more county final televised as these attract a lot of interest within the country. Managers at various levels in the GAA get expenses and in the case of clubs these are provided by sponsors or by the membership raising money- expenses can vary considerably even though the managing /coaching just like at county level can leave a lot to be desired. I do have a problem with some of the top administrators in CP being paid high salaries that are not justified and I do not agree with county players having to train more than top professionals as I think that this is one aspect of our games which has gone out of control" Is that true? Not sure if it is. I thought Sky just took TV3's old rights package which means there roughly the same amount of games being televised. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13717 - 20/09/2016 17:54:02 1917061 Link
Replying To ormondbannerman: "@Ormond I wouldn't want the GAA to be insular either. Nothing wrong with being aware of what other sports are doing but I don't think what they do is all the important to us. Other sports have fragmented ownership of their games. Leagues sell their own leagues. They've a responsibility to their stakeholders to get the best deal and are more like businesses. The GAA is not in the game to maximise profits. It's there to promote our games. If that means selling rights to pay TV then so be it. There are legitimate costs to that though. Disgruntled membership. Lower viewing figures for the games. This OP was mainly critical of the attitude O Ferghaill was treating the membership with. There was no need for him to say "people don't have a right to see every game" (paraphrasing because I can't be bothered looking up the exact quote). That is really irritating. Why can't he just say something along the lines of "I understand people's reservations over this, but overall we feel that dealing with sky is best for the association." No need to antagonise people. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts:963 - 20/09/2016 16:46:59What other sports do is relevant as a comparison. All sporting organisations look to what GAA do considering its role in sport in the country. GAA is as much a business as any other sporting organisation. GAA isn't in game to maximise profits but that's the same with IRFU, Munster Rugby as well. But people don't have the right to see every game live on tv. And saying that was the right thing to say." GAA's ownership structure is very different. GAA own the rights to the championship. The likes of rugby and football aren't centrally owned. There are companies own different aspects of the game and with the specific goal of maximising profit. It's not the IRFU selling these rights. The GAA is a very different entity to something like the Premier League. It has a business aspect but it is not and shouldn't be its sole focus. There are ongoing conflicts in both rugby and soccer regarding ownership of rights and power plays to get more of the TV revenue. Look at rugby and the debacle a few years ago with the Heineken cup and the power play French and English clubs made with BT sport in tow. Look at the recently negotiated Champions League deal, where top clubs from the 4 largest leagues were playing hardball with UEFA, threatening splits to form a super league, all in the name of getting more money. I don't understand why this is the sort of example we want to follow. As for O'Fearghaill's comments, the go very much against the comments in 2013 by Pauric Duffy. For more than 20 years the GAA had repeatedly said it would never do a deal with Sky. It made these assurances in speeches and in interviews and in letters to government. The reasons for refusal to deal with Sky were set out brilliantly by the Association's General Secretary Páraic Duffy when interviewed by Michael Moynihan for his GAAconomics book, published in late 2013. Mr. Duffy said the GAA would not sell TV rights to Sky because it could not do so even if only 10% of the population didn't have Sky. He continued: 'There's a sense the GAA belongs to everybody in Ireland, that it's in every parish and village, and that there'd be enormous resistance if we were to take the games off free-to-air, even though the majority (sic) of the population probably has access to Sky.' Six months later, Mr. Duffy announced that a deal had been done with Sky. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 20/09/2016 18:39:18 1917083 Link
So according to todays independent its a done deal, tv3 and eirsports have bowed out of the rights, sky upped their bid and along with rte will have the rights upto 2021. 5 year deal worth approximately 11.8 million. Good move Imo , tv3 have little interest in gaa, So as I predicted all along the status quo remains. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 26/10/2016 14:46:29 1929198 Link
What about the only real TV station that shows games, our proper channel TG4, will they still be showing live National League games on Sundays and club matches in the Autumn? riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 26/10/2016 23:07:16 1929367 Link
What concerns me is that these deals are negotiated with the commercial entities involved and then presented as a fait accompli to the GAA membership, with no opportunity given to scrutinise or even question the packages. It seems to me that the GAA is becoming steadily more autocratic and elitist, with feck all concern for those who make up the vast majority of the Association. Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 27/10/2016 12:33:46 1929471 Link
The first Sky deal was pretty poor for the GAA. Hopefully the GAA have gotten a lot more money this time around as the last deal was awful, especially when one considers the absolutely shambolic viewing figures for the games. If you are making sure that very few people are going to be watching your games the money has to be substantial. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13717 - 27/10/2016 13:00:43 1929489 Link
I personally don't mind Sky having the broadcasting rights to games, as if I want to see a game I will either go to it, (if it has the prospect of been a close game you just cant beat been there) or go down the local and watch it. But I feel Sky don`t do a good job promoting the game. I don't mean the presenters but actually advertising the GAA on their platform, you seldom see adds or anything like what TG4 do to help promote and enhance the GAA. Sticking a match on Sky Sports 4 isn't actually going to encourage people to watch it. They should be consistently showing games then it might help build up a bit of momentum. Maybe don't give either RTE or Sky the sole broadcasting rights to any game, give them joint rights then the best over all produced program would get the most viewers. After all 3 suits sitting in a studio opinion is only secondary to the actual match. anto_meath (Meath) - Posts: 108 - 27/10/2016 14:49:28 1929546 Link
Replying To MesAmis: "The first Sky deal was pretty poor for the GAA. Hopefully the GAA have gotten a lot more money this time around as the last deal was awful, especially when one considers the absolutely shambolic viewing figures for the games. If you are making sure that very few people are going to be watching your games the money has to be substantial." The last sky deal was higher than what was offered by tv3 , I didn't see many complaining about tv3 deal in regards to how much money was been paid. I for one am delighted dont have to listen to brolly and co for another 5 years for most games. Money well spent. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 27/10/2016 15:16:07 1929555 Link
Replying To Gleebo: "What concerns me is that these deals are negotiated with the commercial entities involved and then presented as a fait accompli to the GAA membership, with no opportunity given to scrutinise or even question the packages. It seems to me that the GAA is becoming steadily more autocratic and elitist, with feck all concern for those who make up the vast majority of the Association." The delegates at congresss had an opportunity to stop the GAA from selling the rights to Sky ad they decided to allow the rights to be sold. uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 27/10/2016 17:08:52 1929596 Link
Why should RTE have a monopoly? Especially their poor coverage. Never showed league games!! Never showed U21 games!!! Never showed Club games. Never showed Ladies Football. Never showed Caomige. You think RTE would pay more or less money if no competition? If they pay less it will go to rugby and soccer etc witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 27/10/2016 17:52:07 1929614 Link
The last sky deal was higher than what was offered by tv3 , I didn't see many complaining about tv3 deal in regards to how much money was been paid. I for one am delighted dont have to listen to brolly and co for another 5 years for most games. Money well spent. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:9622 - 27/10/2016 15:16:07 1929555 Yeah it was a little bit more money than TV3 had paid. But considering that more people watched Oireachtas report at 1am than watched a game on Sky I'm so sure how great a deal it was for the GAA. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13717 - 27/10/2016 18:08:37 1929618 Link
what if every county team decided to not bother playing next year, effectively a strike. ther eis nothing the GAA,SKY,RTE, The GPA, the CCCC could do about it. no player is under contract. it amazes me all the money being offered and the players still playing for nothing. It's time this issue was addressed. s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 27/10/2016 18:25:41 1929623 Link
Replying To witnof: "Why should RTE have a monopoly? Especially their poor coverage. Never showed league games!! Never showed U21 games!!! Never showed Club games. Never showed Ladies Football. Never showed Caomige. You think RTE would pay more or less money if no competition? If they pay less it will go to rugby and soccer etc" RTÉ have really upped their game since Sky came in haven't they? :) All that great coverage of the League etc etc has been brilliant. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13717 - 27/10/2016 18:28:00 1929624 Link
Replying To MesAmis: "RTÉ have really upped their game since Sky came in haven't they? :) All that great coverage of the League etc etc has been brilliant." The unfortunate thing is that cause of some within the gaa mindset rte will not loose rights. If it was a case that they may rte would certainly up their game, but cause of the clambering for free to air, rte dont have to do anything to promote the games as it will make no difference. There is no stick only a carrot. Until the day that the gaa say we will sell exclusive rights to sky or whoever rte will still treat gaa coverage with contempt. Unfortunately royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 27/10/2016 18:46:35 1929630 Link
The unfortunate thing is that cause of some within the gaa mindset rte will not loose rights. If it was a case that they may rte would certainly up their game, but cause of the clambering for free to air, rte dont have to do anything to promote the games as it will make no difference. There is no stick only a carrot. Until the day that the gaa say we will sell exclusive rights to sky or whoever rte will still treat gaa coverage with contempt. Unfortunately royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:9623 - 27/10/2016 18:46:35 1929630 Sky and their revolutionary coverage of GAA is getting as many viewers as Judge Judy. Why would the GAA sell their rights exclusively to Sky so that hardly anyone would watch the games? What would be the point of that exactly? MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13717 - 27/10/2016 19:00:38 1929633 Link