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Replying To ormondbannerman: "A lot of people on here using the excuse that other sports charge why not us. I don't think that argument washes really.
We're a unique sport with our own set of circumstances, it's our responsibility to do what's right for us. As for the likes of soccer, rugby, cricket, American football are these sports really good examples of how to run a sport. Soccer- huge corruption issues right at the top of the game.
Top clubs pricing their fans out of games, leading to protests from a number of those fans groups.
World Cups being awarded to developing nations who havent the resources to afford the tournaments, being left with huge stadia that there's no need for. UEFA being bullied by a small number of powerful elite clubs looking for more control over the club football landscape- all for the sake of profit. Rugby- European Champions Cup debacle where English and French clubs held the ERC to ransom looking for more power over the club rugby scene. Struggling to negotiate a new playing calendar because all parties want to maximise profits for the aspect of the game they're in control over. Player welfare at an all time low. Included in this is the Lions tour coming directly off the back of a gruelling European club season.
What is the overarching thread running through these problems. Money being prioritised over the well being of individuals.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts:935 - 14/09/2016 22:26:56The argument about other sports doing it is very valid. Just look at America and college sports which are strictly amateur and the penalties around that for paying players yet the fees for tv etc are huge.
What sports would you look at as a good example then?" Coaches in the college games in the states often earn 7 figure salaries, how the hell can you compare the two?
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 15/09/2016 15:52:54
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "A lot of people on here using the excuse that other sports charge why not us. I don't think that argument washes really.
We're a unique sport with our own set of circumstances, it's our responsibility to do what's right for us. As for the likes of soccer, rugby, cricket, American football are these sports really good examples of how to run a sport. Soccer- huge corruption issues right at the top of the game.
Top clubs pricing their fans out of games, leading to protests from a number of those fans groups.
World Cups being awarded to developing nations who havent the resources to afford the tournaments, being left with huge stadia that there's no need for. UEFA being bullied by a small number of powerful elite clubs looking for more control over the club football landscape- all for the sake of profit. Rugby- European Champions Cup debacle where English and French clubs held the ERC to ransom looking for more power over the club rugby scene. Struggling to negotiate a new playing calendar because all parties want to maximise profits for the aspect of the game they're in control over. Player welfare at an all time low. Included in this is the Lions tour coming directly off the back of a gruelling European club season.
What is the overarching thread running through these problems. Money being prioritised over the well being of individuals.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts:935 - 14/09/2016 22:26:56The argument about other sports doing it is very valid. Just look at America and college sports which are strictly amateur and the penalties around that for paying players yet the fees for tv etc are huge.
What sports would you look at as a good example then?" I don't think the GAA needs to look to other sports for example.
As I say these sports are far from model examples of how I feel things should be run.
We have our own set of circumstances. College football is far from a perfect fit for our circumstances as these College players benefit from being in the shop window for securing a place in the NFL.
Anyway, I don't really subscribe to GotMilk's argument that there should be no pay tv because players don't get paid. I don't really see that that is relevant. The GAA monetises the players efforts already so I'm not sure why this is much different.
My problem is that the GAA despite the spin they are putting on it are putting money over the good of their members.
They're cutting the exposure of our games with fewer people tuning into sky.
They are further alienating rural Ireland who get disproportionately shafted by this, not to mention other current GAA policy.
I don't trust the GAA with them going back on their word on this issue.
Look €5m a year extra due to opening negotiations with pay TV is a significant sum but there are legitimate costs to the association that need to be considered.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 15/09/2016 15:56:12
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "A lot of people on here using the excuse that other sports charge why not us. I don't think that argument washes really.
We're a unique sport with our own set of circumstances, it's our responsibility to do what's right for us. As for the likes of soccer, rugby, cricket, American football are these sports really good examples of how to run a sport. Soccer- huge corruption issues right at the top of the game.
Top clubs pricing their fans out of games, leading to protests from a number of those fans groups.
World Cups being awarded to developing nations who havent the resources to afford the tournaments, being left with huge stadia that there's no need for. UEFA being bullied by a small number of powerful elite clubs looking for more control over the club football landscape- all for the sake of profit. Rugby- European Champions Cup debacle where English and French clubs held the ERC to ransom looking for more power over the club rugby scene. Struggling to negotiate a new playing calendar because all parties want to maximise profits for the aspect of the game they're in control over. Player welfare at an all time low. Included in this is the Lions tour coming directly off the back of a gruelling European club season.
What is the overarching thread running through these problems. Money being prioritised over the well being of individuals.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts:935 - 14/09/2016 22:26:56The argument about other sports doing it is very valid. Just look at America and college sports which are strictly amateur and the penalties around that for paying players yet the fees for tv etc are huge.
What sports would you look at as a good example then?" College Sports are not amateur, the players are on scholarships, which apart from covering room and board, book, supplies and other living expenses, covers college fees/tuition, which would otherwise could run into tens of thousands of dollars a year. Its payment in kind, they are getting alot in return for playing, its not the same as the amateur status experienced by GAA players.
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College sports in the USA, I meant
Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 15/09/2016 17:52:36
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Replying To moc.dna: "We are not discussing NBA, we are discussing Gaa & that's why I posed the question to you as your insinuation in your point was that so many in the Gaa were being paid. You gave the example of county secretaries. Then you came out with some players being banned & fined, when you were then asked for examples you start quoting about NBA players ? You change tack to suit your arguement all the time, you will now tell us this is what you meant, lol." it was quite clear what i meant and i was discussing college sports in america with that person..you need to read the post again as its pretty clear who im talking about
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Replying To alano12: "it was quite clear what i meant and i was discussing college sports in america with that person..you need to read the post again as its pretty clear who im talking about" College sports in the states isn't the same as the gaa. For christ sake their coaches are receiving millions from the colleges to coach.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 16/09/2016 10:21:58
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Replying To alano12: "in relation to people being entitled to this and that i dont see why tg4 should be allowed have any games exclusively....i dont have an issue with tg4 but i could argue that im 'entitled' to watch gaa in the language the country actually speaks not the token language spoken by a small minority" Utv apparently are under the spotlight now for viability reasons,
Virgin media bought over TV3 for similar reasons, who's to say that sky won't make a take over bid for RTE, wouldn't that solve RTE's financial problems, and it would give sky total control over all things that are transmission able, also people could watch the game in any language they want.
Virgin media allowed TV3 to hold on to their brand name, sky could continue broadcasting under the RTE brand name.
Everyone happy.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2908 - 16/09/2016 13:22:29
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Replying To supersub15: "Utv apparently are under the spotlight now for viability reasons,
Virgin media bought over TV3 for similar reasons, who's to say that sky won't make a take over bid for RTE, wouldn't that solve RTE's financial problems, and it would give sky total control over all things that are transmission able, also people could watch the game in any language they want.
Virgin media allowed TV3 to hold on to their brand name, sky could continue broadcasting under the RTE brand name.
Everyone happy." i just cant imagine another country where the most popular sport and a pretty big part of it is broadcasted in a language not spoken by the majority...i think tg4 do a good job but i dont believe they should have exclusive rights to these matches
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 16/09/2016 23:28:37
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Replying To gotmilk: "College sports in the states isn't the same as the gaa. For christ sake their coaches are receiving millions from the colleges to coach." i am well aware but why are u comparing a financial situation in ireland compared to that in america?...are gaa managers at various levels being paid substantial sums of money yes or no?
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 17/09/2016 04:01:59
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Replying To alano12: "i am well aware but why are u comparing a financial situation in ireland compared to that in america?...are gaa managers at various levels being paid substantial sums of money yes or no?" ive tried a few times to respond to this but ive had no joy
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 17/09/2016 14:42:07
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https://www.balls.ie/gaa/sky-sports-all-ireland-final-report/346668
Sure aren't they great at advertising our games...
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 19/09/2016 09:22:41
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I don't think the GAA needs to look to other sports for example. As I say these sports are far from model examples of how I feel things should be run. We have our own set of circumstances. College football is far from a perfect fit for our circumstances as these College players benefit from being in the shop window for securing a place in the NFL. Anyway, I don't really subscribe to GotMilk's argument that there should be no pay tv because players don't get paid. I don't really see that that is relevant. The GAA monetises the players efforts already so I'm not sure why this is much different. My problem is that the GAA despite the spin they are putting on it are putting money over the good of their members. They're cutting the exposure of our games with fewer people tuning into sky. They are further alienating rural Ireland who get disproportionately shafted by this, not to mention other current GAA policy. I don't trust the GAA with them going back on their word on this issue.
Look €5m a year extra due to opening negotiations with pay TV is a significant sum but there are legitimate costs to the association that need to be considered.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts:962 - 15/09/2016 15:56:12Why so insular? Of course the GAA should look to other sports for example. Of course other sporting organisations are far from a perfect fit but the GAA going for sky isn't putting money over the good of its members. You need to get the best for your money and by not allowing pay tv you limit your options and you limit your income which affects you especially with the increase in sporting options for people these days as well as other options outside of sport
College Sports are not amateur, the players are on scholarships, which apart from covering room and board, book, supplies and other living expenses, covers college fees/tuition, which would otherwise could run into tens of thousands of dollars a year. Its payment in kind, they are getting alot in return for playing, its not the same as the amateur status experienced by GAA players.
Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts:1495 - 15/09/2016 17:17:45They are amateur. Some are on scholarships but that doesn't mean you are not amateur. Payment in kind doesn't mean you are professional.
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Replying To gotmilk: "https://www.balls.ie/gaa/sky-sports-all-ireland-final-report/346668
Sure aren't they great at advertising our games..." yeah rte never made mistakes ever in relation to gaa...
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 20/09/2016 00:40:38
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Replying To alano12: "yeah rte never made mistakes ever in relation to gaa..." Calling it the All England final is a pretty big mistake to make would you not say?
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 20/09/2016 00:50:22
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Replying To gotmilk: "https://www.balls.ie/gaa/sky-sports-all-ireland-final-report/346668
Sure aren't they great at advertising our games..." You do know that's the sports news? Dont you? And regardless of having rights or not they would be showing that segment.
But sure don't worry didn't you watch It for free off my and others license fee paying for your privilege.
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Replying To royaldunne: "You do know that's the sports news? Dont you? And regardless of having rights or not they would be showing that segment.
But sure don't worry didn't you watch It for free off my and others license fee paying for your privilege." When did sky sports news ever show gaa prior to having rights? Again I have corrected you on the rights issue about your licence fee but sure don't let the facts get in your way when spewing crap.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 20/09/2016 09:46:52
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Replying To gotmilk: "Calling it the All England final is a pretty big mistake to make would you not say?" Maybe you are not aware but it is not that long ago when there were no matches in Ulster or Connaught televised by RTE except their provincial finals. I like to see RTE with competition because when the had sole rights they only televised a few matches. Sky spreads our games and it means there are more matches being televised. There should be more county final televised as these attract a lot of interest within the country. Managers at various levels in the GAA get expenses and in the case of clubs these are provided by sponsors or by the membership raising money- expenses can vary considerably even though the managing /coaching just like at county level can leave a lot to be desired. I do have a problem with some of the top administrators in CP being paid high salaries that are not justified and I do not agree with county players having to train more than top professionals as I think that this is one aspect of our games which has gone out of control
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Replying To gotmilk: "When did sky sports news ever show gaa prior to having rights? Again I have corrected you on the rights issue about your licence fee but sure don't let the facts get in your way when spewing crap." So you pay a license fee to rte? No you dont.
Typical entitlement brigade attitude, my license fee to BBC covers it. Utter nonsense.
Always let someone else pay
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 20/09/2016 09:56:39
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Replying To royaldunne: "So you pay a license fee to rte? No you dont.
Typical entitlement brigade attitude, my license fee to BBC covers it. Utter nonsense.
Always let someone else pay" Serious RD you might want to get off that high horse that you are perched on. Tell me again about how much you pay for the BBC that you receive free of charge?
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 20/09/2016 10:05:30
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Replying To browncows: "Maybe you are not aware but it is not that long ago when there were no matches in Ulster or Connaught televised by RTE except their provincial finals. I like to see RTE with competition because when the had sole rights they only televised a few matches. Sky spreads our games and it means there are more matches being televised. There should be more county final televised as these attract a lot of interest within the country. Managers at various levels in the GAA get expenses and in the case of clubs these are provided by sponsors or by the membership raising money- expenses can vary considerably even though the managing /coaching just like at county level can leave a lot to be desired. I do have a problem with some of the top administrators in CP being paid high salaries that are not justified and I do not agree with county players having to train more than top professionals as I think that this is one aspect of our games which has gone out of control" TG4 have the rights to county finals.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 20/09/2016 10:13:32
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