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Replying To royaldunne: "And what about the days that you could see 5 football games on TV ? Its not that long ago. 1990. I feel their is a element of the anti Brit brigade with sky. What these people seem to forget is that it is sky Ireland who paid to GEt gaa on their network, its a subsidiary of Sky, which isn't actually a British company but rather owned by a Australian, and part of newscorp , agree with them or not they have done wonder for sports. Sky will get the new deal, but I would love them to get the leagues, the revenues and interest would sky rocket (excuse the pun)" Why are you trying to drag the conversation in that direction? The OP never mentioned anything about Sky being a British company, its YOU who are trying to introduce an anti-British element to the discussion. No need for it. As for only a handful of games being shown in 1990, don't forget there were much less games full stop. No back door, no qualifiers, no quarter-finals etc. And RTE was much more limited in what it could broadcast back then (and it still did more harm than good to have the games not shown, the 80's wasn't really a golden period for the GAA). And kids now have a much broader range of choices than they had in 1990, we want to give our games as much exposure as possible. I would imagine that Sky's best ratings for GAA games come from finals and semi-finals, which aren't exclusive anyway. I think the best thing would be for the Irish rights to the games to be non-exclusive. Give Sky and RTE rights to all the matches shown in Ireland, with the same arrangement as they currently have with the AI semi's and finals. That way if you want to watch the games for free, you can watch them on RTE. If you hate RTE enough to buy a Sky subscription to watch the games there, that's your lookout. Let them compete against each other to produce the best product. No one will be forced to buy a Sky subscription, and people who love Sky's presentation will still have the option. Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 09/09/2016 16:30:40 1912332 Link
To all the people moaning about sky getting games,how many games did rte show up to the early nineties cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 779 - 09/09/2016 19:06:40 1912406 Link
Replying To cityman73: "To all the people moaning about sky getting games,how many games did rte show up to the early nineties" I don't see how that is particularly relevant to be honest. We don't live in the early 90s. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4233 - 09/09/2016 20:20:44 1912419 Link
Replying To Marlon_JD: "Why are you trying to drag the conversation in that direction? The OP never mentioned anything about Sky being a British company, its YOU who are trying to introduce an anti-British element to the discussion. No need for it. As for only a handful of games being shown in 1990, don't forget there were much less games full stop. No back door, no qualifiers, no quarter-finals etc. And RTE was much more limited in what it could broadcast back then (and it still did more harm than good to have the games not shown, the 80's wasn't really a golden period for the GAA). And kids now have a much broader range of choices than they had in 1990, we want to give our games as much exposure as possible. I would imagine that Sky's best ratings for GAA games come from finals and semi-finals, which aren't exclusive anyway. I think the best thing would be for the Irish rights to the games to be non-exclusive. Give Sky and RTE rights to all the matches shown in Ireland, with the same arrangement as they currently have with the AI semi's and finals. That way if you want to watch the games for free, you can watch them on RTE. If you hate RTE enough to buy a Sky subscription to watch the games there, that's your lookout. Let them compete against each other to produce the best product. No one will be forced to buy a Sky subscription, and people who love Sky's presentation will still have the option." When I posted this thread it was to make it available for discussion/debate if anyone wanted to get involved, not to bash rte, tv3, sky, and whoever else, but it seems in ways to have gone off in a tangent. What prompted me to post this thread was not about broadcasting rights alone, but imo the condescending way the point was put across, as in, - - - As GAA chiefs put the finishing touches on a fresh TV rights deal with interested parties, Association President Aogán Ó Fearghaíl has insisted that "there is no automatic right for everybody to see every game." I object to the word "insisted" why, because we are part of an amateur association where everything in it's entirety is on a voluntary basis, or so we are told. To sell something that may be unique/ unpopular perhaps then an element of charisma is needed, imo again the gaa do not have charisma, or for that matter PR swagger, but they are saturated in politics. What may prevent me from watching some gaelic games, is not rte,sky, or any other tv network, but the gaa at the highest level. Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts:1487 - 09/09/2016 16:30:40 1912332 His/her post makes some sense. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2908 - 09/09/2016 20:42:59 1912423 Link
personally i hope sky get it again, there coverage is far superior to RTE, who in my opinion have gotten lazy, RTE doesn't have to define right to show every game and if Sky renew there deal i hope they can strike a deal for non exclusive Provisional finals. rebelfan (Cork) - Posts: 70 - 09/09/2016 21:02:53 1912428 Link
How is the money divided? roadrunner7 (Meath) - Posts: 4 - 09/09/2016 22:44:31 1912451 Link
Replying To rebelfan: "personally i hope sky get it again, there coverage is far superior to RTE, who in my opinion have gotten lazy, RTE doesn't have to define right to show every game and if Sky renew there deal i hope they can strike a deal for non exclusive Provisional finals." But what about those who dont have sky? Out of curiosity how many of you who are advocating sky don't have sky? gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 10/09/2016 00:05:11 1912470 Link
I think theres more to this pay for view than meets the eye, theres about 8 football counties that know their games are going to be televised live in any one year, another 6 stand a good chance or have the highlights shown another 5 or 6 will get 90 second clips shown, so the other 18 counties won't be in the mix at all to have their games televised live or otherwise. If we look at the hurling counties then only 9 in total that stand a real chance of having their games televised live, the other 22 counties have radio coverage. The way I look at is if my county had little or no chance of getting a game televised then I'd be looking at pay for view in a different light Cuhullain (Kildare) - Posts: 271 - 10/09/2016 10:37:34 1912514 Link
Replying To gotmilk: "But what about those who dont have sky? Out of curiosity how many of you who are advocating sky don't have sky?" go to the match, why does everyone think that the GAA has to be free to air, nobody gives out about the league on Setanta/Eir Sport, the more matches on sky, the better in my opinion, it is a far superior coverage then RTE rebelfan (Cork) - Posts: 70 - 10/09/2016 12:10:38 1912523 Link
Replying To rebelfan: "go to the match, why does everyone think that the GAA has to be free to air, nobody gives out about the league on Setanta/Eir Sport, the more matches on sky, the better in my opinion, it is a far superior coverage then RTE" It's not always possible for people to go to the games. Qualifier games were 20 euro a ticket, it also involved a lot of travel for games. I would want to see the Munster final. Do you suggest I travel 6 hours each direction to get to it? Catch yourself on. The gaa is made up of volunteers, it's the volunteers who are the backbone of the organisation. Why is the product they are helping to create being reserved for the few who can afford it? gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 10/09/2016 14:08:38 1912533 Link
Replying To gotmilk: "It's not always possible for people to go to the games. Qualifier games were 20 euro a ticket, it also involved a lot of travel for games. I would want to see the Munster final. Do you suggest I travel 6 hours each direction to get to it? Catch yourself on. The gaa is made up of volunteers, it's the volunteers who are the backbone of the organisation. Why is the product they are helping to create being reserved for the few who can afford it?" Well blow me over backwards, me and you actually agree on something. Sad to see people like rebelfan trying to defend stations like sky trying to grab these games. Not everyone can go to every game. I dont have sky, and Id feel very put if I was forced to get it in order to watch these games that i love, and Id feel very put out by those who say, sure if ya dont have sky its your own fault for missing the games. And no doubt in 10 years when sky try to gain the rights to ALL the games, and make people pay through the nose to watch them, people like rebelfan will find some excuse for them then too. And no, rebelfan, the coverage isnt vastly superior. Its just the old Tv3 crowd with access to heatmaps. joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 10/09/2016 14:43:06 1912537 Link
Replying To gotmilk: "It's not always possible for people to go to the games. Qualifier games were 20 euro a ticket, it also involved a lot of travel for games. I would want to see the Munster final. Do you suggest I travel 6 hours each direction to get to it? Catch yourself on. The gaa is made up of volunteers, it's the volunteers who are the backbone of the organisation. Why is the product they are helping to create being reserved for the few who can afford it?" i dont here the normal english person giving out about there league being on pay tv, they just get on with it, and either go to the match or watch match of the day rebelfan (Cork) - Posts: 70 - 10/09/2016 14:44:18 1912538 Link
Replying To joncarter: "Well blow me over backwards, me and you actually agree on something. Sad to see people like rebelfan trying to defend stations like sky trying to grab these games. Not everyone can go to every game. I dont have sky, and Id feel very put if I was forced to get it in order to watch these games that i love, and Id feel very put out by those who say, sure if ya dont have sky its your own fault for missing the games. And no doubt in 10 years when sky try to gain the rights to ALL the games, and make people pay through the nose to watch them, people like rebelfan will find some excuse for them then too. And no, rebelfan, the coverage isnt vastly superior. Its just the old Tv3 crowd with access to heatmaps." You know the world is going mad when me and you are agreeing. You are spot on, it's TV3 with gadgets. gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 10/09/2016 15:04:26 1912545 Link
Replying To rebelfan: "i dont here the normal english person giving out about there league being on pay tv, they just get on with it, and either go to the match or watch match of the day" I don't hear of the normal player in the English leagues having to get up at 6am for work. Do you? It's a professional game, this isn't. The sky deal is profiting on the backs of volunteers. Someone is making money out of it and they are pssng down the backs of the volunteers who make the game what it is, players to managers to stewards to club members. So are you happy to remove an amateur game from people who can't afford to watch it? Answer me this, what are the benefits of sky over TV3? gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 10/09/2016 15:07:13 1912546 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "Once broadcasting negotiations 'open' ALL GAA history, tradition and entitlement go out the window. I said when SKY got involved they would want a return on their investment and in my view we were being softened up for SKY and other broadcasters being given sole rights to not only matches but broadcasting rights in other jurisdictions. At the minute you can see games that RTE and SKY broadcast at the same time without games being blocked. This will end. If you live in the North I can see RTE being blocked out altogether when GAA games are on and SKY being given the sole rights for GAA games in the North and Britain. This is what happens with the Republic soccer games. We cannot get RTE2 when they are on for the past few years we lost the Dunphy/Giles stuff which most of us wanted to see. The FAI didn't give a monkey's about the North then and the GAA won't either when the Sunday Game gets blocked out. It is then I will walk away from the GAA for good." And i wouldnt blame ya. I hate this road the GAA is going down. But once you let money into something it tends to take it over. I can see the day when there will be no free to air games on TV and I have no doubt that of that happens there'll be plenty of people out there to back up SKY and its ilk. The same people who probably backed up the government when they started charging people to go to the cliffs of Moher. The Government dont own the cliffs of Moher and Aogan o Fearhaill, if you are listening, you dont own these games and Rupert Murdoch sure as Hell doesnt own these games. joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 10/09/2016 15:57:01 1912560 Link
It's good for GAA to get positive coverage. Sky value their investment in broadcasting GAA. RTE football panalists on the other hand vie with each other to see which can produce the most negative put down. GAA owe RTE nothing. SKY attitude to GAA is much more positive, they seem to be willing to go the extra mile e.g. as well as broadcasting the games they sponsor visits of top GAA players to take coaching sessions in schools. mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 10/09/2016 16:03:39 1912562 Link
It's good for GAA to get positive coverage. Sky value their investment in broadcasting GAA. RTE football panalists on the other hand vie with each other to see which can produce the most negative put down. GAA owe RTE nothing. SKY attitude to GAA is much more positive, they seem to be willing to go the extra mile e.g. as well as broadcasting the games they sponsor visits of top GAA players to take coaching sessions in schools. mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 10/09/2016 16:23:51 1912563 Link
All this professionalism stuff is dodgy in my opinion. Many may disagree,fair enough but the more that the GAA focus on profits and making money the more the sport is becoming professionalised. It won't be long before players are getting paid as semi-pro's , eventually they will want some of the rewards the GAA are reaping from such deals because after all it is them people are paying to watch , it makes sense. Not that I've a problem with players getting paid. I'd like to see them paid for the effort they put in....but this too is a very dangerous route.Soccer once had a cap on wages for every team , now look at the way it has gone. I dread the day I see a transfer market in Ireland with players switching counties every year,it is my biggest fear with the sky sports and professional route of everything.Nothing happens overnight but look back on the past ten years and you can see a definite trend on the way our two sports are heading. GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 10/09/2016 17:49:14 1912575 Link
Replying To gotmilk: "I don't hear of the normal player in the English leagues having to get up at 6am for work. Do you? It's a professional game, this isn't. The sky deal is profiting on the backs of volunteers. Someone is making money out of it and they are pssng down the backs of the volunteers who make the game what it is, players to managers to stewards to club members. So are you happy to remove an amateur game from people who can't afford to watch it? Answer me this, what are the benefits of sky over TV3?" Sky will give RTE a challenge for coverage, therefore it will be a bidding war which will equal more money going to the gaa, which then they will put into the grass roots of the game. Because of sky money pitches around the country have been upgraded, more grounds fitted with floodlights and more clubs getting there own gyms. Money for clubs = Better and more quality games. Sky have the money, TV3 doesn't. Now RTE have a challenger which makes them shake there fists so i find your points invalid without any merit. rebelfan (Cork) - Posts: 70 - 10/09/2016 17:52:27 1912577 Link
Replying To gotmilk: "If money is being put back into the clubs as much as you say it is why are there people coming to my door from around 60 mile away selling tickets to raise money for their club?" Because it cost a lot of money to run a club. The money the GAA generates at central level can't cover all the costs of all the clubs in the association. The Sky deal is another example of Irish people natural instict to just whinge over everything.It's the reason we have so many of these idiotic populist parish pump politicians in this country uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 10/09/2016 18:52:19 1912590 Link