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9 Dubs forwards, would any not make the Mayo team?

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Replying To CroiGorm:  "Not as much rubbish as the person who said he's been 'appalling this year' though!"
Brogan is having his worst year in a Dublin Jersey that I can remember. Last year was his best but this year I think he has been very poor in the championship. Only thing is he could go out on the 18th and hit 2-5 from play. I think if the Dublin forwards were being picked on current form though I don't think Brogan would be starting on the 18th.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 08/09/2016 16:49:51    1911960

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Ah sure you could do that. .

Who would you drop tho??

You could drop Kev Mac, Flynn or Kilkenny if you want to go down the footballing route as opposed to the run-all-day athlete route. But then you risk an imbalance. You could drop Connolly as he would only get sent off otherwise. Or Brogan as he hasn't had a good game in about 3 years. So many options!!



This is a great thread."
I have to be honest CM, I knew it would ruffle a few feathers, but this has surpassed even me own expectations!!

Them Mayo crowd, whingers, thats all they are. Whingers. Want an All Ireland handed to them outa sympathy and not to have to earn it like the Dubs, Kerry and Donegal!

They are like the youngest brother in a family of 4 boys, who waits for the older lads to get married and buy a house. Then when the siblings are settled, he makes his play for the farm from the father!

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 08/09/2016 17:02:56    1911967

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Replying To dstuction:  "Referring to AOS - He's the type of player you need when everything is going belly up to dig you out.

I disagree. when has he ever done it when the pressure is really on. He destroyed Donegal at midfield in 2013 but Donegal were never in that game. He destroyed Sligo in a connaght final but that was all 1 way traffic but when has he don't it against the big teams in a close game.

I'm not his biggest fan and one of the main reasons is I feel he goes missing when the pressure is on. Maybe he will lead Mayo to victory in the final and I will happily eat my words but I don't see it happening. I see DOC having a good final. He was just back from injury and the 4 weeks will make a massive difference to him.

DOC is the only Mayo forward I would even consider. COC is very good from frees but Dublin don't need that. As another poster said Maybe if AOS was in Dublin he could become a proper midfielder but I wouldn't have him near a forward line considering the players warming the bench in Dublin as is."
Actually thought he stepped up against tipp when it was going shakey and got the goal that was needed against westmeath at the very end when westmeath were within touching distance.

GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 08/09/2016 17:09:44    1911971

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That's [the OP] an interesting Q and the answer must be, as all true GAA fans would admit, No - all of them would.

But let's move this idea on to its logical conclusion. We all want to see a competitive final after what's been a substandard year [the world class whinging aside].
Thus would it not be better for Mayo to agree to step aside for the good of the game and instead have a Dublin A v Dublin B final.
To avoid any further refereeing controversy Joe Mc Quillan could take the whistle.

timmyhogan (UK) - Posts: 290 - 08/09/2016 17:13:18    1911974

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Replying To timmyhogan:  "That's [the OP
an interesting Q and the answer must be, as all true GAA fans would admit, No - all of them would.

But let's move this idea on to its logical conclusion. We all want to see a competitive final after what's been a substandard year [the world class whinging aside].
Thus would it not be better for Mayo to agree to step aside for the good of the game and instead have a Dublin A v Dublin B final.
To avoid any further refereeing controversy Joe Mc Quillan could take the whistle."]That's most unfair to say so. It would mean that Sam has no chance of leaving the capital, and where is the entertainment in that.

Play the Dubs Vs the pick of everyone else.

* Cluxton has to play outfield.
* Dermo in Goal.
* Brolly can ref it.
* Mayo Mick in charge of Hawkeye.

Jaden (Dublin) - Posts: 139 - 08/09/2016 17:45:22    1911993

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Replying To Jaden:  "
Replying To timmyhogan:  "That's [the OP
an interesting Q and the answer must be, as all true GAA fans would admit, No - all of them would.

But let's move this idea on to its logical conclusion. We all want to see a competitive final after what's been a substandard year [the world class whinging aside
.
Thus would it not be better for Mayo to agree to step aside for the good of the game and instead have a Dublin A v Dublin B final.
To avoid any further refereeing controversy Joe Mc Quillan could take the whistle."]That's most unfair to say so. It would mean that Sam has no chance of leaving the capital, and where is the entertainment in that.

Play the Dubs Vs the pick of everyone else.

* Cluxton has to play outfield.
* Dermo in Goal.
* Brolly can ref it.
* Mayo Mick in charge of Hawkeye."]and all gurriers to be in stadium before throw-in.

liner (Mayo) - Posts: 756 - 08/09/2016 21:18:56    1912050

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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "very true, not having his best year but still wouldnt bet against him in the AIF....Big game player.
Has a very good record V Mayo

saying he was "taken to the cleaners by Kerry" was absolute rubbish tho SG!"
Only winding you up with the cleaners comment :- )
I expect big things from him in the final.
Sure tis only Mayo which means another soft All-Ireland for the Dubs!

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 09/09/2016 10:29:02    1912149

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Part of the discussion seems to be "ability" v "form". For example, I think C. O'Connor has more in his arsenal than Rock but think Rock is in better form this year. Similarly, D. O'Connor probably has more to offer than Flynn currently, but his season has been hampered by injury. Moran has had a better season than Brogan but I think Brogan (possibly subjectively) still is the bigger threat, all other things being equal.

There's also the consideration that some players may be a round peg in a square hole. One poster suggested that AOS would get on the Dublin team at half forward. I don't think he'd suit Dublin's style at all here - it's midfield or full forward or nothing if he was wearing the blue. You could also compare the situation to Benteke's recent form - he was tearing it up at Villa as the pivotal part of their forward line whereas he was much less effective at Liverpool where a more fluid style was required (not a perfect analogy, I'll grant you).

It'd be a fairly decent debate if you could exclude the blue & navy / red & green tinted specs / 5h1t stirrers.

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 09/09/2016 11:31:18    1912181

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Connolly and Kilkenny are non argument top two players in country this year
personally I would have Rock all day long he's missed about one free since Christmas so even if he sat in the corner for 65 mins id carry him

Depending on who they play I'd have KMAC - invaluable against a compact defence ( Kerry Donegal - Monaghan - Tyrone ) less so v Mayo

The rest to me is debatable- Flynn and Brogan are past the sell by date - o Gara can't kick a football ( point v Kerry excepted ) - Mannion is a. Impact sub

Though on the other hand I wouldnt play Andy Moran just cause he gets one difficult point from his right side once per game wears his socks up and some commentators will call him a talisman

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 09/09/2016 11:33:12    1912183

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Replying To Superglue:  "Only winding you up with the cleaners comment :- )
I expect big things from him in the final.
Sure tis only Mayo which means another soft All-Ireland for the Dubs!"
just when you thought Kerry would give up the Yerras....SG introduces the world to the "reverse yerra" !!!!!!!!!!!!!

You couldn't be keeping up with ye lads!!! Must be the sea air and the smell of fresh fish!

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 09/09/2016 11:36:03    1912186

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Replying To ruanua:  "Connolly and Kilkenny are non argument top two players in country this year
personally I would have Rock all day long he's missed about one free since Christmas so even if he sat in the corner for 65 mins id carry him

Depending on who they play I'd have KMAC - invaluable against a compact defence ( Kerry Donegal - Monaghan - Tyrone ) less so v Mayo

The rest to me is debatable- Flynn and Brogan are past the sell by date - o Gara can't kick a football ( point v Kerry excepted ) - Mannion is a. Impact sub

Though on the other hand I wouldnt play Andy Moran just cause he gets one difficult point from his right side once per game wears his socks up and some commentators will call him a talisman"
Though on the other hand I wouldnt play Andy Moran just cause he gets one difficult point from his right side once per game wears his socks up and some commentators will call him a talisman

ruanua

You have not watched Moran play this year if that is your view. Also what has socks up got to do with anything...? Typical Irish comment.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11237 - 09/09/2016 12:01:32    1912198

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "God almighty I hope Mayo smash ye."
The beauty of this forum is you don't have to meet the gobshi*es who start these ridiculous threads.
Liam says he's just winding us up but he seems to believe his own hype.
Here's my tuppence worth

Clarke
Cooper
MacMahon
Higgins

Keegan
O Sullivan
Mac Carhty

Fenton
S O Shea

Connolly
Kilkenny
D O Connor

Mac Manamon
A O Shea
A Moran

8 to 7 in favour of Dublin.

SirStrawHat (Dublin) - Posts: 58 - 09/09/2016 12:03:21    1912199

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Replying To gotmilk:  "Brogan is having his worst year in a Dublin Jersey that I can remember. Last year was his best but this year I think he has been very poor in the championship. Only thing is he could go out on the 18th and hit 2-5 from play. I think if the Dublin forwards were being picked on current form though I don't think Brogan would be starting on the 18th."
Don't see it that way. Not prolific like he can be but its a team game and BB is signed up to that. Against Donegal, him/his position was marked out of it but his unselfish running dragged defenders with him and other Dub players benefitted.

V Kerry ,his marker done a very decent job but should have been black carded for taking him down. He still scored tow points and that's not a bad contribution in an AI SF against Kerry.

poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 365 - 09/09/2016 13:10:09    1912227

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mayo can win this game , as long as they play as well as in thefinal 10 min of drawn semi final , they need 2 big boys up front(moran , o shea ) properly supported by cillian , and jason doherty , pull the rest back , then make cluxton go long with kick outs , and push keegan forward at times , this has to be done for 76 min , and not to panic in the finishing straight ,, it should be a good game ,assuming that mayo of the last few years turn up , and not what we have seen this year , sinn iad an ceast .

downside (Leitrim) - Posts: 9 - 09/09/2016 13:12:49    1912230

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With regards to BB, he will occupy one player fulltime marking him and at least another defender any time the ball is heading his direction. Even if he has a bad game with his running he occupies one and a half defenders and opens up spaces. Watch him not when he is on the ball but when he has no ball and see what he brings.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 09/09/2016 13:24:03    1912232

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its funny how people think making cluxton go long with the kick outs will hurt Dublin :)
Brian Fenton has been THE best fielder of a ball in the country this year, and If Mayo start going long themselves, u will see Bastick come on and straight away we are at least 50/50 with anyone in the country.

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 09/09/2016 13:34:57    1912239

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Replying To republican:  "This thread should be printed and hung on the mayo team dressing room wall. I'd love to see this arrogance silenced on Sunday week. C'mon Mayo"
:) "Person on wind-up on a GAA MB dismisses Mayo"
Going be a great team talk "Come on lads, if you ever needed the motivation to win an All Ireland, there it is."

poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 365 - 09/09/2016 13:50:42    1912245

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Replying To SirStrawHat:  "The beauty of this forum is you don't have to meet the gobshi*es who start these ridiculous threads.
Liam says he's just winding us up but he seems to believe his own hype.
Here's my tuppence worth

Clarke
Cooper
MacMahon
Higgins

Keegan
O Sullivan
Mac Carhty

Fenton
S O Shea

Connolly
Kilkenny
D O Connor

Mac Manamon
A O Shea
A Moran

8 to 7 in favour of Dublin."
not far wrong - and you're being hard on Colm Boyle.

Mayo must surely be favourites, are they?

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 09/09/2016 13:53:19    1912247

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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "its funny how people think making cluxton go long with the kick outs will hurt Dublin :)
Brian Fenton has been THE best fielder of a ball in the country this year, and If Mayo start going long themselves, u will see Bastick come on and straight away we are at least 50/50 with anyone in the country."
if kick-outs go long from either side there will be no clean catching.

Moran and Fenton both tried to catch last day. When it broke, Dublin won more second ball. SOS will be told to break it.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 09/09/2016 13:55:21    1912248

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Replying To Kurt_Angle:  "Part of the discussion seems to be "ability" v "form". For example, I think C. O'Connor has more in his arsenal than Rock but think Rock is in better form this year. Similarly, D. O'Connor probably has more to offer than Flynn currently, but his season has been hampered by injury. Moran has had a better season than Brogan but I think Brogan (possibly subjectively) still is the bigger threat, all other things being equal.

There's also the consideration that some players may be a round peg in a square hole. One poster suggested that AOS would get on the Dublin team at half forward. I don't think he'd suit Dublin's style at all here - it's midfield or full forward or nothing if he was wearing the blue. You could also compare the situation to Benteke's recent form - he was tearing it up at Villa as the pivotal part of their forward line whereas he was much less effective at Liverpool where a more fluid style was required (not a perfect analogy, I'll grant you).

It'd be a fairly decent debate if you could exclude the blue & navy / red & green tinted specs / 5h1t stirrers."
Yeah you know it's a tough question to ask.

So much of it depends too on what the manager wants to do.

Talking about form also can be unfair in some players as maybe they are being given direct instruction from management to do certain things that are good for the team but means they stand out less individually.

Someone like Andy Moran is really standing out, Mayo's game plan is focused very much on trying to find him and then have the other players feed off him so it's natural he's starring.

I think there's less between these 2 teams than some on here would have you believe.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 09/09/2016 14:00:43    1912250

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