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Voice of reason, as usual Mes. Watching on tv I felt it was a goal. After the replays I felt it probably still was but i'd be far from 100%. Even if you say that it was definitely a goal and that Crowleys was definitely a free (it was a free all day long for me) I still don't feel you can feel hard done by as a Kerry fan. Ok you might have sneaked a draw out of it, but by god you definitely were not the better team. You gave it a lash, a lot went right for you and you still couldn't see it out. Dublin would've been huge favourites still in a replay. Unlucky Kerry, great game but the better team is definitely in the final. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 29/08/2016 15:24:16 1907665 Link 1 |
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You're right of course But straight away there's talk of soft Dublin frees etc. etc. etc. I'm only highlighting that the biggest 50/50 decision of the entire game went their way A highly inconclusive 3 points was awarded to them based around an obstructed view, awarded by an umpire who made two other mistakes in the game. Seems a bit prone to human error But you're right the game is over and Dublin won, but that's not my point anyway Kerry got some pretty favourable calls themselves but of course this will all be forgotten about to be replaced with "Dublin got soft frees" for the next 5 years! jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 29/08/2016 16:02:02 1907687 Link 0 |
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I was right behind the ball, different camera angles can show up different things.
ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 29/08/2016 16:24:54 1907706 Link 1 |
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Jim It wasn't a 50/50 call. The ball was over the line. And it does not matter.....you won the game. Enjoy it. With the 50/50 calls again it is immaterial-ref was very good I thought. No major errors and helped create a fantastic game. Any chance you guys can get over it? After every game there is a stupid tread about the ref. If you feel so strongly about it what are you doing to change it? Have you ever been in a refs shoes? Why don't you become a ref? It really isn't that difficult.....a good clubman like you should know the GAA are desperate for refs. Do something about it. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 29/08/2016 21:18:58 1907830 Link 1 |
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Agree that goal line technology should be in place but you have to go with the umpire who's 6 yards from the incident and showed no hesitation in raising the green flag. If I were a Dub I'd be more worried about the dodgy display from your keeper, should have dealt with that ball but was having a very bad day at the office. Expect a few high balls in from Mayo!!
Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 29/08/2016 21:47:17 1907843 Link 1 |
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It's obvious this dublin poster is highlighting the goal as a way of taking focus of all the major decisions the dubs got in the final 10 minutes. I knew when Kerry went 3 points up that it was far too early. They needed to be a few points up going into injury time so that time would be against them and the ref would find it hard to aid them in such a short period of time. With Kerry a few points up I wasnt surprised to see Dublin given a few phantom tap over frees especially playing into the hill..we have seen it all before. Disappointed that the Dublin fans are not honest and admit they got the major calls at the right time. Instead we see them creating false talking points like the AOM tackle and Kerry's second goal just so they can take attention away from the shocking favouritism shown to them again in the final few minutes. Have a bit of sympathy for the ref alright as he does work in Dublin so must have been a lot of pressure on him and it's only natural the decisions he made DancingSeany (UK) - Posts: 32 - 30/08/2016 02:32:51 1907902 Link 1 |
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It was a goal , we won, end of story.Move on. Are you saying because an umpire got one call wrong every call is open to question? Don't be daft. Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 30/08/2016 11:13:51 1907996 Link 0 |
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He's always been suspect under the high ball, but some Dublin posters claim he is "peerless" under a high ball. He has always struggled with his kick-outs when teams push up and the armchair ride the Dublin system provides for him is no longer there. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 30/08/2016 11:39:41 1908012 Link 0 |
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Sorry Condorman But how on earth do you know it was a goal? To be so certain of something which is so uncertain "Don't be daft" is right. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 30/08/2016 11:58:36 1908021 Link 0 |
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Jezze Guess who put a lot of money on a Kerry win! jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 30/08/2016 11:59:22 1908022 Link 0 |
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Rubbish.
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 30/08/2016 12:14:44 1908031 Link 0 |
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Yes highlighting other highly contentious incidents that doesn't suit a biased argument is wrong is it? The most blatant 50/50 call went to Kerry and it gained them 3 points on the stroke of H/T The umpire with the best view and closer to the incident didn't give it, he had a clear line of sight with no Dublin player blocking his view and he was clueless what to do! The umpire that left his post and jumped 3 yards onto the pitch away from the goal line angle, and going on photo evidence didn't have a clear line of sight with Cluxton partially blocking his view, gave the goal. "He was well positioned" In no way was he well positioned to judge if the ball crossed the line, if he was on his post looking across the line, then yes, I'd buy that stance. He wasn't anywhere near that angle. As such there is a lot of doubt surrounding his judgement To claim otherwise is just being down right dishonest and or ignorant. The same umpire made two further errors during the game For me, he quite obviously had a stinker of a game and made some very poor calls as an umpire Sorry lads, but my argument is as concrete as it comes, for it to be ignorantly dismissed is just that, ignorant in the extreme My entire argument is that you cant prove I'm wrong and you're right = 50/50 debate topic Kev Mc's hit was a free, but like AOM's 100% black card frontal shoulder, taking the man out of play and not playing the ball whatsoever, it was also missed by the ref. Things get missed and Kerry and Dublin both got away with a couple of things but not much. He missed a couple of things but overall got an awful lot right IMO BB was fouled, the ball was touched on the ground, it was a 45" Sorry but in no way should Kerry fans be throwing anything at the ref over his performance They got 3 points handed to them with the biggest 50/50 call going their way There isn't one single thing you can say to prove my argument wrong. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 30/08/2016 13:08:55 1908064 Link 0 |
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You have completely lost me I'm afraid - my post doesn't even mention the game on Sunday. I was there as a neutral, but have seen some factual posts by Kerrymen thrown back at them as "bitterness" and "excuses" which has probably seen me take their side. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 30/08/2016 13:29:49 1908081 Link 0 |
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What a well articulated argument - I'm convinced now! Why can't you actually address his post? You're only adding merit to his claims. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 30/08/2016 13:30:39 1908082 Link 0 |
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http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0828/812474-dublin_kerry_half-time/ tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 30/08/2016 13:48:51 1908093 Link 0 |
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You've been giving out more than anyone! :) Hence me joking about if you had a few quid on Kerry These soft frees? Which one in particular bothers you? jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 30/08/2016 13:49:02 1908094 Link 0 |
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Ah don't worry too much about it cavanman..it's hardly expected for the dubs to admit they got all the big calls in the last 10 mins. I had a good laugh when Kerry went 3 points up as I said at the time to my friends to watch the dubs get a load of handy frees now in the final few mins. Low and behold rock was tapping over free after free and at the other end Sheehan hadn't a sniff of anything. No point reading these Dublin fans posts as I would not expect them to admit this and it's not often fans on here do admit favourtism. The second goal was clearly over the line..ffs the umpire was in the best position possible so please stop highlighting this as a way of stopping the focus on the fact that the dubs got all the crucial decisions at the perfect time. DancingSeany (UK) - Posts: 32 - 30/08/2016 14:05:03 1908104 Link 0 |
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Jimbo, unlike your fellow countymen, you do factual posts well. I like that. I won't indeed argue with your points as I cannot prove them wrong. It looks like a goal to me, but you disagree - that's sport! and life. . But was it the biggest error the referee (or officials) made?? I don't think so. Dublin had half time almost immediately after to regroup and a full 42 minutes of play to put things right. Kerry had no such opportunity with the "shoulder" on Crowley and that is why they have every right to feel aggrieved. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 30/08/2016 14:26:33 1908123 Link 0 |
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Proves nothing The camera is behind the goal The only way to prove it was across the line is from above or a side view of the goal line All that photo does prove is that the umpire that gave the goal had only a partial view of a very difficult call, making his decision even more questionable Sorry but that proves nothing and it's not the first time its been posted by someone claiming to be so sure silliness of the highest order. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 30/08/2016 14:33:11 1908127 Link 0 |
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Ah very good, so you know it all. Kerry were beaten because Dublin got handy frees. No where did you mention that Dublin were destroying kerry until they gifted the kingdom two goals. Also did you see O' Mahony's frontal charge on Philly McMahon or Donaghy's rugby tackle on ciaran kilkenny. So now we have it all, 2011 was a robbery, 2013 was a fluke goal by Kevin Mc, 2015 was the rain and poor conditions, 2016 league final was kerry's lack of real intent in the final and 2016 semi was bias referee. Nothing to do with quality of the Dublin team or the fact that they have obliterated kerry in the last 10 minutes of most games in the last 5 years or that unfortunately Kerry have stuck by some older players.
Adamski (Dublin) - Posts: 339 - 30/08/2016 14:34:04 1908128 Link 1 |