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New camera angle confirms it was a goal?

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An obvious goal - see: http://certaingoal.blogspot.co.uk/

Clearly over the line. You'd have to be some swivel-eyed eejit to maintain otherwise. No doubts at all.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 29/08/2016 12:21:01    1907496

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Replying To essmac:  "An obvious goal - see: http://certaingoal.blogspot.co.uk/

Clearly over the line. You'd have to be some swivel-eyed eejit to maintain otherwise. No doubts at all."
The camera is about 3 or 4 yards off the end line

Even looking at that picture there it looks to me that not all the ball is over the line, It looks like its passed the posts but only cause of where the camera is.

Put that camera under the crossbar or in line with the post and I don't think you see the whole ball over the line.

For me its still debateable but I don't care, We won, It matters not now.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 29/08/2016 12:37:29    1907511

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The man with the best view in country gave the goal. End of.

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 29/08/2016 12:49:22    1907520

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Replying To Brolly:  "The man with the best view in country gave the goal. End of."
The same man gave a blatant wide as a point

Looking at the photo His line of vision is partially blocked

The umpire with the best view didn't give it

It's nowhere near as clear cut as you're making out Brolly

At best 50/50

And Kerry got the most crucial 50/50 dubious enough call of the day that turned out to be 3 points

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 29/08/2016 12:54:30    1907526

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Clearly overthe line. Surprised anyone is doubting it

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 29/08/2016 12:55:27    1907527

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Replying To Brolly:  "The man with the best view in country gave the goal. End of."
Still got it wrong though.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 29/08/2016 12:57:40    1907530

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Replying To waynoI:  "The camera is about 3 or 4 yards off the end line

Even looking at that picture there it looks to me that not all the ball is over the line, It looks like its passed the posts but only cause of where the camera is.

Put that camera under the crossbar or in line with the post and I don't think you see the whole ball over the line.

For me its still debateable but I don't care, We won, It matters not now."
Best reflects what most dubs feel on this.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 29/08/2016 13:01:22    1907533

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A very poor performance from Gough, the Dubs were awarded so many soft free's.

Its a shame to see a great performance by a great Dublin team tarnished in such a way.

TheWestIsAwake (UK) - Posts: 529 - 29/08/2016 13:13:24    1907548

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Replying To waynoI:  "Still got it wrong though."
The umpire was in a much better position then you were to decide. If you watch the replay of the event and concentrate on the Dub defenders hand you should be able to deduce that the ball was well over the line.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 29/08/2016 13:25:53    1907558

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Replying To arock:  "They might be referring to this one:
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0828/812474-dublin_kerry_half-time/

But to my eyes even this thisis inconclusive"
Specsavers may be the solution

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 29/08/2016 13:31:00    1907561

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Replying To jimbodub:  "If you look at the photo above

The umpires view is actually partially blocked - there is no way he could have fully seen it.

Cluxton's fingers are right behind the ball, you can see the aluminous green colour on his glove

That ball does not look fully over the line from that shot IMO

So this

"The umpire was well positioned" lark is clearly not the case

You can clearly see his view is partially blocked, so he made a very difficult 50/50 call based on a partial view

Kerry blatantly got the biggest 50/50 call in their favour and it was worth 3 points ion the stroke of H/T

I wont be hearing anymore whinging about the refs performance"
Unless you were standing in the exact spot the umpire was in you have no idea if his vision was impeded or not.
It was a goal end of.

Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 29/08/2016 13:31:20    1907562

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Replying To arock:  "Best reflects what most dubs feel on this."
So what if it wasn't a goal? Are you saying the umpire made it up? He saw what he thought was a goal - we have to rely on humans to do the job and sometimes they get.it wrong, the very fact that nothing is conclusive is enough to say that he may have been right. Look at the billions of $ that soccer makes and they don't have the technology bar having it for the euros. Is anyone seriously suggesting that the gaa invest in it - We can only afford hawk eye in two stadiums.
It would have been harsh if it was in the last second of the game and it made a difference but even then that's just the way it is. It's right to demand the highest standards from officials but also you have to realise there is no alternative and live with their decisions.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1805 - 29/08/2016 13:48:08    1907577

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Replying To Barnowl94:  "Unless you were standing in the exact spot the umpire was in you have no idea if his vision was impeded or not.
It was a goal end of."
Human errors happen all the time.

The same fella made a bad call when he judged a point to be over too that was well wide

I'd argue about him having the best angle

He clearly had a partially obstructed view

The umpire with the best view and standing closer with no player partially blocking his view didn't give it!

All I'm saying is that it was no doubt a 50/50 call, that many other umpires would not have given

It was the most advantageous call of the entire game and it went to Kerry

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 29/08/2016 13:52:04    1907579

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The goal was given and to be fair to the umpire there was no doubt in his mind and he went for the green flag straight away.

However anyone else suggesting that it was clearly over line and that it was 100% the right call are talking out of their behinds. None of us know so stop pretending.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 29/08/2016 14:02:30    1907591

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Replying To MesAmis:  "The goal was given and to be fair to the umpire there was no doubt in his mind and he went for the green flag straight away.

However anyone else suggesting that it was clearly over line and that it was 100% the right call are talking out of their behinds. None of us know so stop pretending."
Even the camera link shows that it is clearly over the line even though the camera angle is such that it makes the ball just over over as its from marginally behind the goals. Do some guys think that the ball has to hit the net?

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 29/08/2016 14:28:19    1907607

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Replying To browncows:  "Even the camera link shows that it is clearly over the line even though the camera angle is such that it makes the ball just over over as its from marginally behind the goals. Do some guys think that the ball has to hit the net?"
It doesn't show that it was clearly over the line at all.

The umpire made the call and we have to trust his decision.

Saying that you know it was definitely over the line is just lying.

Hawkeye needs to be brought in for these decisions and then there is no doubt.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 29/08/2016 14:32:21    1907614

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Replying To browncows:  "Even the camera link shows that it is clearly over the line even though the camera angle is such that it makes the ball just over over as its from marginally behind the goals. Do some guys think that the ball has to hit the net?"
It doesn't clearly show anything

What is clear to see it that the umpire with no partially obstructed view who was closer to the incident didn't give it

But the fella who had already called a wide a point and mistakenly waved a ball wide which was in fact a 45 did give it.

Sorry but if this was a court case the Dubs would have a very solid case indeed

Obstructed view, had already made mistake due to human error and later went on to make another... it wouldn't take much of a defence attorney to turn this around

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 29/08/2016 14:33:39    1907615

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If people are using that picture to prove the ball crossed the line id ye to be on a jury judging me From that angle no way in hell could you say it was over the line The umpire is even looking around Cluxton to see the ball Did it cross the line I don't know and nobody knows for sure and from that picture the only person that does is Cluxton The more important question is why the hell doesn't Hawke Eye cover this can't cost that much more

cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 454 - 29/08/2016 14:57:38    1907641

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Where I was sitting in the Hogan stand I would have little doubt it was a goal.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 29/08/2016 15:07:00    1907647

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Replying To ROS1:  "Where I was sitting in the Hogan stand I would have little doubt it was a goal."
So your view from over 100+ feet away is more clear cut

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 29/08/2016 15:12:01    1907651

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