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Replying To TheFlaker: "Mayo did not lose because of the referee. Small was lucky to be on the pitch but after getting away with the first offence he was entitled to push the boat out. Cooper black card was by law probably right but a joke in fairness. Keegan one was very frustrating as Connolly actually has a wee tug before Keegan does and then Connolly hits the deck easy and gets up waving an imaginary card. Can you imagine if the roles were reversed and Keegan did it? We would never hear the end of it. Brogan should have been black carded but Deegan bottled that probably because of where the offence took place. Doherty should have walked as well for a late hit after the goal. The law is an ass. The black card as it is just simply does not work. Dublin had game changers on the bench who wreaked havoc in the last quarter, that was the difference. Their scores came a little easier. The frustrating thing for me is we may well have got over the line if it wasn't for the penalty. That 3 point gap killed us in the end.
Let's all move on with our lives. The picture of Andy Moran, his daughter and Brogan on the pitch at the end sums it up for me. There is massive respect between the 2 teams, shame that the fans can't engage their brain when analysing games. For both games, there were at least 2 or 3 people from both counties who literally knew nothing of the tactics that were going on and they only see what they want to see. I told a couple of people to shut up on Saturday as I couldn't hack the rubbish they were spouting to each other, one from each county. Never kicked a ball in their lives and had a few pints on board to make matters worse." The roles have been reversed plenty of times. Cillian O'Connor busted up Rory O'Carroll last year and didn't warrant a second look. Then himself and Keegan conspired to get Connolly sent off. Doherty could have seen red for what he did to Cooper on saturday. Then Cooper doesn't go up the field and get Black Carded.
Ifs and buts.
I do agree though, the black card is an utter joke.
Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 03/10/2016 16:30:12
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Replying To TheFlaker: "Mayo did not lose because of the referee. Small was lucky to be on the pitch but after getting away with the first offence he was entitled to push the boat out. Cooper black card was by law probably right but a joke in fairness. Keegan one was very frustrating as Connolly actually has a wee tug before Keegan does and then Connolly hits the deck easy and gets up waving an imaginary card. Can you imagine if the roles were reversed and Keegan did it? We would never hear the end of it. Brogan should have been black carded but Deegan bottled that probably because of where the offence took place. Doherty should have walked as well for a late hit after the goal. The law is an ass. The black card as it is just simply does not work. Dublin had game changers on the bench who wreaked havoc in the last quarter, that was the difference. Their scores came a little easier. The frustrating thing for me is we may well have got over the line if it wasn't for the penalty. That 3 point gap killed us in the end.
Let's all move on with our lives. The picture of Andy Moran, his daughter and Brogan on the pitch at the end sums it up for me. There is massive respect between the 2 teams, shame that the fans can't engage their brain when analysing games. For both games, there were at least 2 or 3 people from both counties who literally knew nothing of the tactics that were going on and they only see what they want to see. I told a couple of people to shut up on Saturday as I couldn't hack the rubbish they were spouting to each other, one from each county. Never kicked a ball in their lives and had a few pints on board to make matters worse." Again, It's pure conjecture but there has been a big element in the latter parts of this season of Dublin playing the scoreboard instead of what's in front of them, i.e. not pushing on if they hold a two or three point lead.
Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 03/10/2016 16:34:12
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Replying To Gavvygavgav: "The roles have been reversed plenty of times. Cillian O'Connor busted up Rory O'Carroll last year and didn't warrant a second look. Then himself and Keegan conspired to get Connolly sent off. Doherty could have seen red for what he did to Cooper on saturday. Then Cooper doesn't go up the field and get Black Carded.
Ifs and buts.
I do agree though, the black card is an utter joke." ?? That's what i said.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7902 - 03/10/2016 16:39:36
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Feel for some of the mayo fans today. I have to say I thought they wouldn't get in a mile of Dublin after the beat us as we were both awful that day. Fair play they nearly pulled it out of the bag. I actually think they will be back and may improve throwing more responsibility on to the undoubted talent they have coming through underage. Would love another crack at them next year.
As for fans etc what can you say. They like all of us have some terrible bandwagon fans who don't have a clue. Its not nice to take after a defeat in croke park and when slagging you off they don't even know their own teams names. Its the unfortunate side of GAA.
As for the Dubs, your day will come!
redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 03/10/2016 16:54:04
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Replying To redhanddefender: "Feel for some of the mayo fans today. I have to say I thought they wouldn't get in a mile of Dublin after the beat us as we were both awful that day. Fair play they nearly pulled it out of the bag. I actually think they will be back and may improve throwing more responsibility on to the undoubted talent they have coming through underage. Would love another crack at them next year.
As for fans etc what can you say. They like all of us have some terrible bandwagon fans who don't have a clue. Its not nice to take after a defeat in croke park and when slagging you off they don't even know their own teams names. Its the unfortunate side of GAA.
As for the Dubs, your day will come!" Yeah I wonder what new thing yis will bring to the table next year?
How about defending in numbers, counter attacking and still not scoring enough from play because you lack forwards?
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Replying To redhanddefender: "Feel for some of the mayo fans today. I have to say I thought they wouldn't get in a mile of Dublin after the beat us as we were both awful that day. Fair play they nearly pulled it out of the bag. I actually think they will be back and may improve throwing more responsibility on to the undoubted talent they have coming through underage. Would love another crack at them next year.
As for fans etc what can you say. They like all of us have some terrible bandwagon fans who don't have a clue. Its not nice to take after a defeat in croke park and when slagging you off they don't even know their own teams names. Its the unfortunate side of GAA.
As for the Dubs, your day will come!" Our day will come? What was Saturday all about then :)
poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 365 - 03/10/2016 17:32:53
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Replying To jimbodub: "Yeah I wonder what new thing yis will bring to the table next year?
How about defending in numbers, counter attacking and still not scoring enough from play because you lack forwards?" As for the Dubs, your day will come!"
And come it did thank God!!
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 03/10/2016 17:42:16
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "I think you're missing a lot of the point there, moc.dna. You're going on about McLoughlin and the lack of attack etc, when many observers might conclude that the most impressive thing about Mayo in those two finals was their defensive solidity, and their capacity to limit Dublin's offensive firepower. McLoughlin's role was integral to that, I'm led to believe. Mayo's attack is a slightly blunt instrument even at full tilt , but when you have to pay extra attention to defensive structures, it obviously becomes an ever increasing struggle to score. I thought the two finals were poor spectacles, with too many frees, too many tackles that were difficult to interpret & administer, too much defensive football, and an almost total absence of quality forward play. Basketball without a shot clock at times. An eyesore. Football is in real trouble imo, from an entertainment viewpoint. The emphasis on defense and possession retention has made the game horrible. Having said that, congrats to both Dublin and Mayo for making the final." I'm missing a lot of the point ? I think you need to read my post & your own again as you definitely didn't get the point & contradict yourself. The title of the thread is Dublin v Mayo, All Ireland final 2016. So I made a point in relation tho this game & this thread which was my own observation & I wasn't replying to anybody else's post. I made the point that Mc Loughlin as their most natural score taker should have been better utilised up front instead of as a sweeper. You replied saying that with Mc Loughlin in defence, quote " the most impressive thing about Mayo in their 2 finals was their defensive stability". Then you said "Mayo's attack is a slightly blunt instrument even at full tilt". I was advocating that the Mayo attack needed Mc Loughlin & Evan Regan to give more punch to their attack. You also said "too much defensive football & an almost total absence of quality forward play", followed by "the emphasis on defence & possession retention has made the game horrible". So I'm not sure what point you reckon I missed but at least I'm fairly clear in what I'm saying.
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Replying To moc.dna: "I'm missing a lot of the point ? I think you need to read my post & your own again as you definitely didn't get the point & contradict yourself. The title of the thread is Dublin v Mayo, All Ireland final 2016. So I made a point in relation tho this game & this thread which was my own observation & I wasn't replying to anybody else's post. I made the point that Mc Loughlin as their most natural score taker should have been better utilised up front instead of as a sweeper. You replied saying that with Mc Loughlin in defence, quote " the most impressive thing about Mayo in their 2 finals was their defensive stability". Then you said "Mayo's attack is a slightly blunt instrument even at full tilt". I was advocating that the Mayo attack needed Mc Loughlin & Evan Regan to give more punch to their attack. You also said "too much defensive football & an almost total absence of quality forward play", followed by "the emphasis on defence & possession retention has made the game horrible". So I'm not sure what point you reckon I missed but at least I'm fairly clear in what I'm saying." The point you seem to have missed is that there is no mystery whatsoever as to why McLoughlin plays deep. You stated that you thought this was mysterious. I was simply pointing out that most people don't find that tactic mysterious at all. It's a logical defensive move, to help negate Dublin's attacking threat. No mystery there whatsoever.
I would also contend that McLoughlin is not a hugely proven scoregetter, as you claim him to be, or that he's a particularly feared attacking threat, as you claim him to be. I think that if McLoughlin was in fact a hugely feared attacking threat at intercounty level, Mayo would in all likelihood leave him in the attack, and give the sweeper job to a less potent attacking force.
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "The point you seem to have missed is that there is no mystery whatsoever as to why McLoughlin plays deep. You stated that you thought this was mysterious. I was simply pointing out that most people don't find that tactic mysterious at all. It's a logical defensive move, to help negate Dublin's attacking threat. No mystery there whatsoever.
I would also contend that McLoughlin is not a hugely proven scoregetter, as you claim him to be, or that he's a particularly feared attacking threat, as you claim him to be. I think that if McLoughlin was in fact a hugely feared attacking threat at intercounty level, Mayo would in all likelihood leave him in the attack, and give the sweeper job to a less potent attacking force." You obviously know nothing of football if you don't regard Mc Loughlin as a natural forward, what games are you watching or is it just your opinion based on the fact that he was played as a sweeper. Ask others, I have watched him in lots of games live & he is a fabulously skilled footballer. His stats among all the other Mayo forwards excluding O Connors frees over the last few years proves this. sure you will be back to tell me otherwise, lol.
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mayo were at their most dangerous on saturday when McLoughlin had the ball
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Replying To moc.dna: "You obviously know nothing of football if you don't regard Mc Loughlin as a natural forward, what games are you watching or is it just your opinion based on the fact that he was played as a sweeper. Ask others, I have watched him in lots of games live & he is a fabulously skilled footballer. His stats among all the other Mayo forwards excluding O Connors frees over the last few years proves this. sure you will be back to tell me otherwise, lol." Fair enough Moc, perhaps you're right. I'll have to keep a closer eye on his scoring power in future. I always likened McLoughlin more to a Gary Sice than a Padraic Joyce in terms of style, not saying that he's better or worse than either of those players.
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I watched the highlights of the Dublin v Mayo replay last year to compare with this year's replayed Final.Firstly the quality was better in replay 2015 but that might be explained by the weather.Replay 2015 was on a beautiful sunny early September evening.A few things struck me.Dublin's play in turning a 4 point deficit into a 7 point winning margin in 2015 was brilliant and a lot better than anything they produced against Mayo this year.As for Mayo,Diarmuid O'Connor was far better in replay 2015 than he was against Dublin this year when he perhaps was injured.The much maligned Rob Hennelly played in goals in replay 2015 and he certainly wasn't at fault for any of Dublin's 3 goals and overall he played well and his kicking and distribution were good.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2168 - 05/10/2016 21:03:12
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Replying To centerfield: "Mayo must not concede goals to have a chance. Mayo conceded 7 in last 3 champ matches against Dubs" Stephen Cluxton made championship debut in 2001 V Longford. He has played 85 out of Dublin last 90 championship games. Has played 73 championship games in a row. Last game he missed due to suspension was Westmeath in 04.
Gael85 (Dublin) - Posts: 1433 - 02/11/2016 14:17:15
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Replying To centerfield: "Mayo must not concede goals to have a chance. Mayo conceded 7 in last 3 champ matches against Dubs" Stephen Cluxton made championship debut in 2001 V Longford. He has played 85 out of Dublin last 90 championship games. Has played 73 championship games in a row. Last game he missed due to suspension was Westmeath in 04.
Gael85 (Dublin) - Posts: 1433 - 02/11/2016 14:17:29
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Replying To Gael85: "Stephen Cluxton made championship debut in 2001 V Longford. He has played 85 out of Dublin last 90 championship games. Has played 73 championship games in a row. Last game he missed due to suspension was Westmeath in 04." You on the gargle Gael?? Posted the same post twice and on the wrong thread
witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 02/11/2016 17:55:12
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