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Replying To MedwayIrish: "Agreed Whammo but you're pissing in the wind if you think it's going to change. My view would be (at a guess) the standard one i.e Dublin are fairly strong favourites but that's not to say Kerry can't upset them, that wouldn't really surprise me and if they did they'll beat Mayo in the final. I wouldn't say Mayo have no chance but until they actually win Sam (in most of our lifetimes) I won't actually believe they can. They're the Jimmy White of the GAA after all and before any Mayo man or woman takes offence at that, none intended, I like to see an underdog have its day." Jaysus above medwayirish!
Talk about hedging your bets ! I don't know but I'm not saying.... . Now it could happen but then again.....Anyone could win anything at this stage but then again it could be next year.WTF ! Basically you don't know. Neither do I at this stage. It's all to play for.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 24/08/2016 18:20:37
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I just can't see dubs been stopped.
All in all apart from Tipp this year has been a very boring championship unfortunately.
I said from outset dubs would win with mayo been only one with half a chance of upsetting them. That still remains (although mayo look worse than anytime in last 4years)
I suppose the only thin that has surprised me is Dublin slight regression or standing still, coupled with the decline of every other county. Kerry aren't going to trouble them, and with all known form neither will mayo. So the story of this year? Dublin win all Ireland without leaving second gear.
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Replying To Dubh_linn: "Jaysus above medwayirish!
Talk about hedging your bets ! I don't know but I'm not saying.... . Now it could happen but then again.....Anyone could win anything at this stage but then again it could be next year.WTF ! Basically you don't know. Neither do I at this stage. It's all to play for." Not really Dubh, I think Dublin will win Sam. If they don't, it's because you'll lose to Kerry in a semi. If that happens, Kerry will beat Mayo in the final. There you go, no splinters on me!!
MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 24/08/2016 18:46:05
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If we dont win it. Fine by me. The players have given us many joyous moments over the years and owe us nothing. They can go into this game without any pressure whatsoever. Weve beaten this kerry team in our last 3 chanpionship games against them including two all ireland finals. If they win on sunday then good luck to them.
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 24/08/2016 18:51:06
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Replying To Liamwalkinstown: "Dont worry yew, he aint fooling anybody. We all know who it really is, and where he is really from.
We aint that Dumb!" True man.
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 24/08/2016 18:52:33
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While the OP is written with the tongue firmly in cheek I think there's a bit of truth in it. While it looks like it's dublins to lose I wouldn't be one bit surprised if they are caught on Sunday or in the final. They are a brilliant team, but are slightly overrated for me and Kerry or Mayo could do them on their day.
Some of there talismen are coming to the age where they'll be slowing down, especially in the forwards. These guys are among their best players ever and won't be so easy to replace. It's alright saying you've subs that'd start for any other county but when you put them in from the start you may find they're not as great as they look coming in at 60 minutes against beaten opposition. I don't agree that Dublin won't win another title this decade, they will, but their purple patch could fade sooner than people think.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 24/08/2016 18:52:47
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Replying To Tonny1975: "First things first, Dublin are the team of the decade, the best team in the country. One of the best team ever to come out of Dublin. However there seems to be a general consensus that Dublin will win Sam this year. I think if you examine the facts, theres a strong possibility they wont. Reasons why
1 It is the hardest thing to do in Irish sport, put two All Irelands back to back. Only Kerry have done it in the last twenty years and only Kerry, Meath, Cork have done it in the last thirty years. The hunger is not there after winning an All Ireland.
2 Dublin have only won 1 double in 70 years. (1976-1977). They are not Kilkenny and Kerry who put double, treble, four All Irelands back to back for the last 90 years.
3 Kerry have a great tradition of underdogs against the Dubs when Dublin have been red hot favourites. It happened in 1955, 1975, 1977, 1984 and 2009. On all occassions Dublin were red hot favorites and Kerry were rank outsiders and Kerry defeated Dublin.
4 Yes Mayo are a mental basket case when it comes to All Ireland finals. They have such a poor record in finals. But this Mayo team is the most experienced team ever to play in a final eg 5 Connachts and 2 All Ireland final appearances. It could be Mayos year.
5 Dublin don't look as hungry this year, they are missing half their defence.
6 Dublin are trying to do something that is near impossible, outside Kerry something that has been never done before by wining 4 All Irelands . Only Kerry and the Wexford team of 1914 - 1918 have achieved this.
I dont think this Dublin will win another All Ireland , I believe they peaked in the League final. I cannot see Dublin winning another All Irealnd in this decade. Of course they will be super strong as always, winning Leinsters, being in the top teams in the country and reaching All Ireland finals. But they will be weaker as this decade progresses. There is no conveyor belt of talent coming through. Kildare are dominating minor level, while Meath look like they will very strong at this level with good minor teams coming through in the next few years . Its all going change very soon." No conveyor belt of talent!!! At underage they are in the top four, consistently and consecutively they don't need a conveyor, they simply have richest beyond your wildest dreams.
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Replying To MedwayIrish: "Not really Dubh, I think Dublin will win Sam. If they don't, it's because you'll lose to Kerry in a semi. If that happens, Kerry will beat Mayo in the final. There you go, no splinters on me!!" Fair enough so! It's Kerry's to loose I'd say at this stage.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 24/08/2016 19:50:17
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Replying To Tonny1975: "First things first, Dublin are the team of the decade, the best team in the country. One of the best team ever to come out of Dublin. However there seems to be a general consensus that Dublin will win Sam this year. I think if you examine the facts, theres a strong possibility they wont. Reasons why
1 It is the hardest thing to do in Irish sport, put two All Irelands back to back. Only Kerry have done it in the last twenty years and only Kerry, Meath, Cork have done it in the last thirty years. The hunger is not there after winning an All Ireland.
2 Dublin have only won 1 double in 70 years. (1976-1977). They are not Kilkenny and Kerry who put double, treble, four All Irelands back to back for the last 90 years.
3 Kerry have a great tradition of underdogs against the Dubs when Dublin have been red hot favourites. It happened in 1955, 1975, 1977, 1984 and 2009. On all occassions Dublin were red hot favorites and Kerry were rank outsiders and Kerry defeated Dublin.
4 Yes Mayo are a mental basket case when it comes to All Ireland finals. They have such a poor record in finals. But this Mayo team is the most experienced team ever to play in a final eg 5 Connachts and 2 All Ireland final appearances. It could be Mayos year.
5 Dublin don't look as hungry this year, they are missing half their defence.
6 Dublin are trying to do something that is near impossible, outside Kerry something that has been never done before by wining 4 All Irelands . Only Kerry and the Wexford team of 1914 - 1918 have achieved this.
I dont think this Dublin will win another All Ireland , I believe they peaked in the League final. I cannot see Dublin winning another All Irealnd in this decade. Of course they will be super strong as always, winning Leinsters, being in the top teams in the country and reaching All Ireland finals. But they will be weaker as this decade progresses. There is no conveyor belt of talent coming through. Kildare are dominating minor level, while Meath look like they will very strong at this level with good minor teams coming through in the next few years . Its all going change very soon." Well Holy mother of god Tonny what are you smoking? I can't see anyone better than Dublin id be surprised if Kerry managed to beat them I think the dubs have a hex on them. Mayo? Well look we haven't played well and yes we have experience and the odd underage all Ireland medal flying about. There's a lot of talk going on about the run through the backside mirrors Kerry or Tyrone or whoever and people start thinking it set in the stars! Talk is talk if there's one team that will fail when their stars alight its Mayo! I hope we win I think we can win if the players and management are well prepared and fit with a good gameplan but I do go into this game not believing they will win. At least I won't be too dishearten if they don't win, well get comphrensively beaten. Let us just get our heads down and get ready for the final and not lose our heads!
Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 24/08/2016 22:20:07
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Replying To Whammo86: "These threads are really just stupid.
Dublin will not win the All Ireland.
That statement implies Dublin has zero chance of winning. Just ridiculous.
There are similar posts on here saying Mayo will not win, nobody will beat Dublin, Kerry got no chance, blah blah blah.
Loads of people so confident in their predictions and talking absolute sh1te.
At the end of the day there are 3 teams left in it. Dublin are rightly favourites in my opinion. Either of Kerry are capable of beating them on their day. Roughly a 1 in 3 chance of that happening if you go by the bookies. I don't have a strong reason to disagree with that.
Phew, glad I got that off my chest" Kerry,Dublin ,Mayo , don't have a clue who will win.If you're to go on form and skill Dublin , going on gut feeling Mayo , going on history, Kerry.
No one can predict anything for certain except they are going to some day die,everything else is sh1te talk that day.
GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 25/08/2016 12:26:50
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Regarding the comments of Dublins conveyor belt of talent. Yes Dublin do have a conveyor belt of talent. They have always had a conveyor belt of talent. Thats why they are always in the top counties in Ireland. They will always produce good footballers. But do they have the conveyor belt of talent of the calibre to replace Cuxton and Co. Cluxton is the best goalkeeper I have ever seen. Do Dublin have a player to replace him. Brogan is one of the greatest Dublin forwards ever produced ( I would rate only Keaveney and Heffernan as better.) Is Mannion or Costello in that league. Time will tell. Flynn, Kilkenny and Connolly is one the best half forwards of all time. Flynn the best wing forward I have ever seen. Kilkenny will be a multiple footballer of the year winner. Connolly is one of the most gifted and talented players ever to play for Dublin Do Dublin have players to replace the above of the same quality. Thats what Kilkenny and Kerry do. Kerry had Sheedy in the 70s and 80s , Ftizgerald in the 90s and Gouch in the noughties. These three Kerry forwards are all time greats. Kilkenny had Eddie Keher in the 70s, Heffernan in the 80s, Carey in the 90s, Shefflin in the noughties. Thats the level Dublin have to reach if they are dominate the rest of the decade. Kilkenny and Kerry produce all time great decade after decade can Dublin .
Tonny1975 (Mayo) - Posts: 114 - 25/08/2016 18:05:47
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They have been great champions. But they are on their final lap of victory. Eitheir this year or next year will be end of this Dublin team , as the dominate force in Gaelic football. They will return to the rest of the pack. Also this is not Dublins fault , but the fault of other counties. Dublin really dont have a great rival. In the way the the Dublin teams in the seventies had Kerry. The Meath team in the eighties had the greatest Cork team ever as a rival. Down had a a great rivalry with Kerry in the sixties. This is not Dublins fault. But imagine if the Tyrone and Kerry teams of the noughties were around now. Imagine the games with Dublin. Or even the Galway and Meath teams of the late 90s or the Down team of the early 90s. Dublin supporters will say they are a better team then any of the above. Maybe there right, maybe there wrong. But the one thing is for certain if any of the above where around today. Dublin would have a serious rival who could give them more then a game. Would they be as dominant?. Thats an impossible question to answer. But it is a fact Dublin are by far best team in the country this decade. No team really comes close. Again this is not Dublins fault, but that other counties have not got their house in order. But as I said they coming to end of their natural life cycle as the Kings of Gaelic football. While they will be superstrong for the rest of decade. They wouldnt winning 2-3 All Irelands, they wil have more bad days then good days in the next five year.It will happen. Its whats been happening for decades and decades in every sport. Agreat teams dominates, then they are not as dominate. That is the point Im trying to make.
Tonny1975 (Mayo) - Posts: 114 - 25/08/2016 18:09:51
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The points I am trying to make are
1 Dublin are the team of the Decade, the best team in the country.
2 Most teams have 5 -6 years at the top.
3Dublin are not an upcoming new team they are old experienced team
4 Dublin wouldnt win the All Ireland this year, if they do, which I doubt, that is it. I am convinced after this year Dublin will decline, there will be no Sams for the rest of the decade. I am convinced of that. Why? Because that is what has happened for over 100 years in Gaelic football. Only Kerry and Kilkenny have shown the temperment and talent to dominate decade after decade. Dublin would need to dominate for another 40 years to be in the same bracket.
5 Dublin in the next five years are not going to be crap, still going to be in the top teams in the country, top 2-3. Winning Leinsters, Playing in All Ireland final, There just not going to win 3 or 4 of them. That all I m saying . This has happened many many times in GAA. A great team after period of dominance is followed by a period of less success. The genius of kerry and Kilkenny is they face one rival after another rival decade after decade down. Kilkenny had to deal with Cork in the noughties. Cork declined. Then Tipp appear Kilkenny face them down, then Clare appear and Kilkenny are still top dogs in hurling. In football, Kerry cannot beat Down in the sixties, People say Kerry football is finished. In the next two decades they produce gr eatest team ever. They cannot beatTyrone in the noughties. Tyrone like Down in the sixties decline, Kerry continue to win All Irelands 09 and 14. Kerry face their rivals down they mite lose, but they still regroup , recharge and keep winning Sams. Can Dublin do that ?. Roscommon, Galway, Tyrone, Cork, Meath and Kildare are all coming with new teams in the future. Kerry are going for three in a row minors. Theres a lot of new teams and new players emerging on the scene. Can Dublin do what Kerry/ Kilkenny have done for generations
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Replying To Tonny1975: "The points I am trying to make are
1 Dublin are the team of the Decade, the best team in the country.
2 Most teams have 5 -6 years at the top.
3Dublin are not an upcoming new team they are old experienced team
4 Dublin wouldnt win the All Ireland this year, if they do, which I doubt, that is it. I am convinced after this year Dublin will decline, there will be no Sams for the rest of the decade. I am convinced of that. Why? Because that is what has happened for over 100 years in Gaelic football. Only Kerry and Kilkenny have shown the temperment and talent to dominate decade after decade. Dublin would need to dominate for another 40 years to be in the same bracket.
5 Dublin in the next five years are not going to be crap, still going to be in the top teams in the country, top 2-3. Winning Leinsters, Playing in All Ireland final, There just not going to win 3 or 4 of them. That all I m saying . This has happened many many times in GAA. A great team after period of dominance is followed by a period of less success. The genius of kerry and Kilkenny is they face one rival after another rival decade after decade down. Kilkenny had to deal with Cork in the noughties. Cork declined. Then Tipp appear Kilkenny face them down, then Clare appear and Kilkenny are still top dogs in hurling. In football, Kerry cannot beat Down in the sixties, People say Kerry football is finished. In the next two decades they produce gr eatest team ever. They cannot beatTyrone in the noughties. Tyrone like Down in the sixties decline, Kerry continue to win All Irelands 09 and 14. Kerry face their rivals down they mite lose, but they still regroup , recharge and keep winning Sams. Can Dublin do that ?. Roscommon, Galway, Tyrone, Cork, Meath and Kildare are all coming with new teams in the future. Kerry are going for three in a row minors. Theres a lot of new teams and new players emerging on the scene. Can Dublin do what Kerry/ Kilkenny have done for generations" Jaysus,, I'm exhausted after reading that post. Feelslike I've just watched the entire series of 'Game of Thrones'.
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The difference is their population and resources are so great allied to the professional set-up they have organising Football there is basically 0% chance they will fade away in the future.
Whereas for a Mayo, Kerry or Tyrone success will always be cyclical
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Replying To KYTitletown: "The difference is their population and resources are so great allied to the professional set-up they have organising Football there is basically 0% chance they will fade away in the future.
Whereas for a Mayo, Kerry or Tyrone success will always be cyclical" 100 percent agree Dublin WILL NOT be going anywhere,think people need to deal with it, they will be there or there abouts , much like Kilkenny.
GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 25/08/2016 21:59:32
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Replying To Tonny1975: "The points I am trying to make are
1 Dublin are the team of the Decade, the best team in the country.
2 Most teams have 5 -6 years at the top.
3Dublin are not an upcoming new team they are old experienced team
4 Dublin wouldnt win the All Ireland this year, if they do, which I doubt, that is it. I am convinced after this year Dublin will decline, there will be no Sams for the rest of the decade. I am convinced of that. Why? Because that is what has happened for over 100 years in Gaelic football. Only Kerry and Kilkenny have shown the temperment and talent to dominate decade after decade. Dublin would need to dominate for another 40 years to be in the same bracket.
5 Dublin in the next five years are not going to be crap, still going to be in the top teams in the country, top 2-3. Winning Leinsters, Playing in All Ireland final, There just not going to win 3 or 4 of them. That all I m saying . This has happened many many times in GAA. A great team after period of dominance is followed by a period of less success. The genius of kerry and Kilkenny is they face one rival after another rival decade after decade down. Kilkenny had to deal with Cork in the noughties. Cork declined. Then Tipp appear Kilkenny face them down, then Clare appear and Kilkenny are still top dogs in hurling. In football, Kerry cannot beat Down in the sixties, People say Kerry football is finished. In the next two decades they produce gr eatest team ever. They cannot beatTyrone in the noughties. Tyrone like Down in the sixties decline, Kerry continue to win All Irelands 09 and 14. Kerry face their rivals down they mite lose, but they still regroup , recharge and keep winning Sams. Can Dublin do that ?. Roscommon, Galway, Tyrone, Cork, Meath and Kildare are all coming with new teams in the future. Kerry are going for three in a row minors. Theres a lot of new teams and new players emerging on the scene. Can Dublin do what Kerry/ Kilkenny have done for generations" Funniest thing I've read in a while. Keep them coming Tonny.
CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 25/08/2016 22:04:46
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Replying To Tonny1975: "The points I am trying to make are
1 Dublin are the team of the Decade, the best team in the country.
2 Most teams have 5 -6 years at the top.
3Dublin are not an upcoming new team they are old experienced team
4 Dublin wouldnt win the All Ireland this year, if they do, which I doubt, that is it. I am convinced after this year Dublin will decline, there will be no Sams for the rest of the decade. I am convinced of that. Why? Because that is what has happened for over 100 years in Gaelic football. Only Kerry and Kilkenny have shown the temperment and talent to dominate decade after decade. Dublin would need to dominate for another 40 years to be in the same bracket.
5 Dublin in the next five years are not going to be crap, still going to be in the top teams in the country, top 2-3. Winning Leinsters, Playing in All Ireland final, There just not going to win 3 or 4 of them. That all I m saying . This has happened many many times in GAA. A great team after period of dominance is followed by a period of less success. The genius of kerry and Kilkenny is they face one rival after another rival decade after decade down. Kilkenny had to deal with Cork in the noughties. Cork declined. Then Tipp appear Kilkenny face them down, then Clare appear and Kilkenny are still top dogs in hurling. In football, Kerry cannot beat Down in the sixties, People say Kerry football is finished. In the next two decades they produce gr eatest team ever. They cannot beatTyrone in the noughties. Tyrone like Down in the sixties decline, Kerry continue to win All Irelands 09 and 14. Kerry face their rivals down they mite lose, but they still regroup , recharge and keep winning Sams. Can Dublin do that ?. Roscommon, Galway, Tyrone, Cork, Meath and Kildare are all coming with new teams in the future. Kerry are going for three in a row minors. Theres a lot of new teams and new players emerging on the scene. Can Dublin do what Kerry/ Kilkenny have done for generations" He has a point with Kerry over the years and their future with minors etc. Except Dublin (thanks to funding and population growth ) will not be going anywhere anytime soon unless by some divine intervention the county is split in two.Even then North Dublin V South Dublin will probably be every second final from here until the end of time.
GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 25/08/2016 22:08:53
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Replying To Tonny1975: "They have been great champions. But they are on their final lap of victory. Eitheir this year or next year will be end of this Dublin team , as the dominate force in Gaelic football. They will return to the rest of the pack. Also this is not Dublins fault , but the fault of other counties. Dublin really dont have a great rival. In the way the the Dublin teams in the seventies had Kerry. The Meath team in the eighties had the greatest Cork team ever as a rival. Down had a a great rivalry with Kerry in the sixties. This is not Dublins fault. But imagine if the Tyrone and Kerry teams of the noughties were around now. Imagine the games with Dublin. Or even the Galway and Meath teams of the late 90s or the Down team of the early 90s. Dublin supporters will say they are a better team then any of the above. Maybe there right, maybe there wrong. But the one thing is for certain if any of the above where around today. Dublin would have a serious rival who could give them more then a game. Would they be as dominant?. Thats an impossible question to answer. But it is a fact Dublin are by far best team in the country this decade. No team really comes close. Again this is not Dublins fault, but that other counties have not got their house in order. But as I said they coming to end of their natural life cycle as the Kings of Gaelic football. While they will be superstrong for the rest of decade. They wouldnt winning 2-3 All Irelands, they wil have more bad days then good days in the next five year.It will happen. Its whats been happening for decades and decades in every sport. Agreat teams dominates, then they are not as dominate. That is the point Im trying to make." I don't agree that Dublin haven't had great rivals. Donegal, Kerry and Mayo were 3 top teams during Dublin's successes and ran them close in the season's Dublin won.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4240 - 25/08/2016 22:53:01
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GOT you seem to be overlooking the biggest factor influencing Dublin's success, massive work done by volunteers at underage level in every club to drill kids the right way. Hours upon hours of free time devoted to the development of the games in parishes all over Dublin It has been delivering over the past few years but has to be sustained. You can't just buy a Ciaran Kilkenny or a Paul Mannion with your funding. You have to develop them with volunteers.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 26/08/2016 00:12:04
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