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http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/munster-council-to-review-stewarding-at-thurles-1.1473960
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/waterford-limerick-crowd-congestion/88852
2013 minor final replay limerick v waterford - few mins before game they opened other stand and some people walked across pitch while teams warming up to go to other stand - didnt do it myself i stayed put
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 24/08/2016 12:10:21
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Replying To janesboro: "oakleafersir (Derry) -
always lovely to go on to pitch after game and have puck about with kids and see other dads/kids having puck around, most grounds let you do it - if you get a chance do it in thurles it would inspire you
Most people go on to the pitch in an orderly manner and there usually isnt a problem the players are delighted to mingle with the fans and are always very appreciative of the support. Was on pitch with kids in thurles after semi final and after munster final in gaelic grounds on wet day - neither pitch showed any sign of damage - was on pitch after 21s final last year - players hung around signing autographs getting pics taken , they seemed to enjoy it - pics with the cup -brilliant and no harm done. id say a concert could damage a pitch more, kids got to meet and greet some of the current tipp and kilkenny legends which living in limerick we dont see to often" Your completely right , it's our tradition in a way going out at half time and full time and meeting players after the match is also a tradition in a way aswell .
oakleafersir (Derry) - Posts: 808 - 24/08/2016 14:08:33
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I always feel that the GAA allows itself to be enslaved by tradition.
The weeping and gnashing of teeth when the 2014 semi went to the gaelic grounds was laughable.
Had that tie went to croker it would have been played in front of about 40 000 people, with about another 40 000 empty seats.
I wasnt at the game but I watched it on the box and I enjoyed every second of it, and the fact that the stadium was packed to the rafters added to the whole thing.
Gaa should definitely move these games around to stadiums like Thurles, Salthill, Clones.
joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 24/08/2016 15:48:13
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jon - they didnt even fill the gaelic grounds that day - was at it in city end terrace- tonnes of space around me
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 24/08/2016 16:03:34
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Replying To joncarter: "I always feel that the GAA allows itself to be enslaved by tradition.
The weeping and gnashing of teeth when the 2014 semi went to the gaelic grounds was laughable.
Had that tie went to croker it would have been played in front of about 40 000 people, with about another 40 000 empty seats.
I wasnt at the game but I watched it on the box and I enjoyed every second of it, and the fact that the stadium was packed to the rafters added to the whole thing.
Gaa should definitely move these games around to stadiums like Thurles, Salthill, Clones." Yeah, although the hurling semi replay was moved to Thurles this year and most of one end terrace appeared to be empty. The atmosphere seemed excellent but whether that was down to the venue or the quality of the game is open to (endless) debate.
MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 24/08/2016 16:06:05
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I know you didn't mention perimeter fences. I did because they are clearly a response to the issue of pitch invasions. To date, I haven't known anyone to die of a pitch invasion. Crushed against fences, tick. Burned alive in ramshackle wooden stands, tick. Critical condition induced by treading on a specific path of turf? Erm, no, must've missed that one.
I don't believe they need to be stopped, anyway. It's hardly a scourge on our society, is it? I don't believe in anyone entering the field of play while a game (of any description) is on, but afterwards, I see no major problem in that. Every time Gillingham play at home on the final day of the season we get the same old "police remind all spectators it is a criminal offence to enter the playing area", ,they make a big show of lining up the stewards in front of us for the final 10 minutes................then we go on anyway. Always have, always will. End of.
MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts:1351 - 24/08/2016 11:42:30I have seen issues with them from stewarding There certainly is big issues with them. Crowds exiting after is a mjor issue. Potential of a slip/fall and injuries resulting or a crush is too high.
OrmondWhat gives you the right to go onto a pitch anyway?
Why not its not illegal or hamful to anybody If in doubt i alway ask a steward and theres never a problem Look at any pitch after a GAA game - theres always kids playing about - it tradition its part of kids going to the game
The end of a big game isn't the right time for a puck around and if you want to have a puck around you can do it at any time.
Grand so please advise me when Semple stadium thurles is open to the public and i shall drive 1.5 hours for a puck around-
Fortunately most people do not match the above derogatory stereotype regarding obesity and drunkeness
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:575 - 24/08/2016 11:56:35The time after a game is no time for a puck around. I don't care about tradition. Any gaa game is different to games in stadia with 20000-30000 plus in attendance. You can have a puck around any time and anywhere. Just because you want to tip the ball around on a big pitch doesn't give you any right to.
medway - might be same in wexford but a lot of the top club GAA grounds in limerick have high wire perimeter fences ie ones used for county senior championship- , gaelic grounds does not - rugby and soccer clubs dont, they have railings the size you can lean on, once game over theyll let you on to pitch ---
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:575 - 24/08/2016 12:03:43But comparing a rugby ground in Liam Fitz Park for Thomond RFC or Derryknockane or Tom Clifford Park for Munsters is completely different to Large GAA grounds. You have no right to go onto the pitch after a game and that you can do it at local club games doesn't mean you can do it at large scale inter county games. risk and liability is too much an issue and there is too many problems that arise.
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/08/2016 16:07:09
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Ormond, you're quite keen on asking other posters for facts and stats to back up opinions, so, statistically, how big an issue is the odd person slipping over while exiting a stadium? I would imagine negligible and exactly the same thing could occur on the actual terrace or indeed a stairwell, quite possibly with more serious consequences when you consider they'd be falling on concrete rather than grass.
"Risk and liability" says it all really. Certainly someone quoting that wouldn't keep me off any pitch I wanted to enter.
MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 24/08/2016 16:18:05
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ormond im making the poitn to medway that nearly all the top club gaa grounds in limerick have wire perimeter fencing around them ie bruff cappamore caherconlish claughan kilmallock - club rugby and soccer pitches which get similar crowds dont, i am comparing club gaa and club rugby grounds - on a higher level -- gaelic grounds dont have fencing neither does thomond. -probably same in other counties
as for going on the pitch after a championship game is the perfect time to do it - few mins after the game - me and many other will continue to do so with our kids and do so in an orderly and safe manner - the gaa and stewards never object - i think its a beautiful sight to see kids on pitch after a game playing around by the time your on the pirch the crowd has dissipated anyway - if you dont agree with it then dont go on the pitch
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 24/08/2016 16:25:18
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Ormond, you're quite keen on asking other posters for facts and stats to back up opinions, so, statistically, how big an issue is the odd person slipping over while exiting a stadium? I would imagine negligible and exactly the same thing could occur on the actual terrace or indeed a stairwell, quite possibly with more serious consequences when you consider they'd be falling on concrete rather than grass.
"Risk and liability" says it all really. Certainly someone quoting that wouldn't keep me off any pitch I wanted to enter.
MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts:1355 - 24/08/2016 16:18:05Have been told it countless times working stewarding at Connacht games/munster games etc but the risk is higher outside on pitch and liability is completely different on the pitch as it is not where you as a ticket holder is meant to be. The risk is completely different to when you are in the terrace/stand
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/08/2016 16:26:15
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "Ormond, you're quite keen on asking other posters for facts and stats to back up opinions, so, statistically, how big an issue is the odd person slipping over while exiting a stadium? I would imagine negligible and exactly the same thing could occur on the actual terrace or indeed a stairwell, quite possibly with more serious consequences when you consider they'd be falling on concrete rather than grass.
"Risk and liability" says it all really. Certainly someone quoting that wouldn't keep me off any pitch I wanted to enter.
MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts:1355 - 24/08/2016 16:18:05Have been told it countless times working stewarding at Connacht games/munster games etc but the risk is higher outside on pitch and liability is completely different on the pitch as it is not where you as a ticket holder is meant to be. The risk is completely different to when you are in the terrace/stand" But surely if the liability is different due to you being in an unauthorised area, there's an argument that the relevant county GAA board aren't culpable for any injury sustained?
MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 24/08/2016 16:41:30
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Replying To oakleafersir: "I know the is a good atmosphere in Croke Park but if your in the likes of Semple Stadium , Gaielic Grounds , Pearse Stadium , McHale Park , Celtic Park , Breffini Park , ETC ETC . I feel there is more of a buzz and a championship feeling in the air . The crouds are more ready and supportive , I was at both Killkenny and Waterford matches and the one in thules felt more exciting . I have been spread out around the country at matches and Croke Park isn't the same , yes I love going there and always happy to be there . So I think less matches in Croker could bring more joy and excitement to the sport and bring up attendance at games." You seem to think this is all about atmosphere, its about money, revenue etc etc
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 24/08/2016 19:36:58
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Replying To hill16no1man: "Totally disagree
Was at thurles for hurling quarter finals several times and the ground holds 55 thousand and each time it was 30-35 thousand at it and atmosphere was dull as dishwater. It's not a full house that generates atmosphere it's what happens on the pitch or the build up to a game that generates it.
I was at international rules in Gaelic grounds a few years back and you could hear the players on the pitch it was that dead. Some league games in croker with only 25 thousand have been brilliant atmospheres." Totally agree about the atmosphere being generated on the pitch. There have been done cracking atmospheres in Croker for games that attracted only about 20-30k.
There has also been some pretty poor atmospheres at games with huge attendances.
That's not to say that some games shouldn't be moved out of Croker if it suits the counties involved.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 24/08/2016 20:01:09
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It won't matter if some players age, we have the funds, population, play at home, coaches etc sure that's what makes a great team.
Dublin have by far the top young talent in the country, has anyone actually checked the ages of the likes of Fenton, Jack, Kilkenny I could go on, the vast majority of the panel are all under 30.
Not to mention what everyone in Dublin knows, what's coming, step forward Mr O' Callaghan.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 24/08/2016 21:04:33
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There'll be no lack of atmosphere on Sunday, unless the weather is atrocious!
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Replying To realdub: "There'll be no lack of atmosphere on Sunday, unless the weather is atrocious!" I hope , as a neutral going I want a nice loud crowd
oakleafersir (Derry) - Posts: 808 - 25/08/2016 14:46:19
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Replying To realdub: "There'll be no lack of atmosphere on Sunday, unless the weather is atrocious!" Or if the game is over as a contest after 20 minutes
KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 25/08/2016 15:30:07
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ormond im making the poitn to medway that nearly all the top club gaa grounds in limerick have wire perimeter fencing around them ie bruff cappamore caherconlish claughan kilmallock - club rugby and soccer pitches which get similar crowds dont, i am comparing club gaa and club rugby grounds - on a higher level -- gaelic grounds dont have fencing neither does thomond. -probably same in other counties
as for going on the pitch after a championship game is the perfect time to do it - few mins after the game - me and many other will continue to do so with our kids and do so in an orderly and safe manner - the gaa and stewards never object - i think its a beautiful sight to see kids on pitch after a game playing around by the time your on the pirch the crowd has dissipated anyway - if you dont agree with it then dont go on the pitch
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:586 - 24/08/2016 16:25:18Going on a pitch after a game just causes trouble in one form or another. There is problems with crowd congestion/exiting of people. Likelihood of people getting hurt increases if people attempt to go to the pitch.
I disagree with people on the pitch as there is too much risk and too much messiness and trouble. Pitches should be left to players, coaches and their families. You also disrupt the grounds keepers and can affect the standards of pitches with large scale pitch invasions.
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Going on a pitch after a game just causes trouble in one form or another. There is problems with crowd congestion/exiting of people. Likelihood of people getting hurt increases if people attempt to go to the pitch. I disagree with people on the pitch as there is too much risk and too much messiness and trouble. Pitches should be left to players, coaches and their families. You also disrupt the grounds keepers and can affect the standards of pitches with large scale pitch invasions. -ormondbannerman
Please give examples of
-messiness and trouble caused by pitch invasions - never seen any myself most people go on in an orderly fashion
- crowd congestion leaving pitch - my experience is the opposite by the time we are out the crowds have gone and no traffic leaving the place
- damage to grounds -was on pitch in gaelic grounds and thurles recently - neither had any sign of damage
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 28/08/2016 17:51:31
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Now I was at the match today and the buzz was class .
oakleafersir (Derry) - Posts: 808 - 28/08/2016 18:30:15
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Please give examples of
- messiness and trouble caused by pitch invasions - never seen any myself most people go on in an orderly fashion
- crowd congestion leaving pitch - my experience is the opposite by the time we are out the crowds have gone and no traffic leaving the place
- damage to grounds -was on pitch in gaelic grounds and thurles recently - neither had any sign of damage
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:587 - 28/08/2016 17:51:31I have seen it at many games. People will run, their is issues with people who trip and fall and there is crowd congestion which is a major issue as after a pitch invasion people will leave via much fewer exits than they would otherwise
On the pitch following a game should be the place for players and management to celebrate in the moment with their kids and wives/girlfriends and other family and not have to fight their way through every tom, dick and harry
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 28/08/2016 18:40:33
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