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Can Mayo exorcise the ghost of '13?

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Replying To Seansy48:  "Who was the last Gaelic football team to lose 2 finals and then win 1 within 5 years?

Alot of people overlook the mental aspect of this game, if you want proof of it look no further than Tyrone beating Kerry in 2008

Kerry should have won, they had more talent and the lead with 10 to go but Tyrone knew they could beat Kerry and they were the only team to do it at Croke Park in the championship...ignore it if you want but there couldn't be a more obvious example of having the mental hex over a team. Like Kerry and Dublin do against Mayo"
Cork 2010
Dublin 1995

Pretty good considering there aren't many teams getting to 2 finals within a 5 year period.

I think people are too quick to write teams off as mentally weak.

There just aren't enough matches in Gaelic to draw strong conclusions like that.

Do you think Mayo are less than 3-1 to win because if I could I'd love to bet on them at that price.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 21/08/2016 21:31:30    1904155

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Whatever about the curse of '51 the '13 final is the one that will haunt this Mayo team if they don't land the holy grail.

Unfortunately for my county the form guide suggests a repeat of the '13 final. While Mayo will be written off in some quarters after an uninspiring run to the final, they have every chance of landing the big prize. Can they get the better of Leinster champions this year if that's the final pairing?"
Not the way they have played this year!

Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 21/08/2016 21:32:35    1904158

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Replying To IrishGael3:  "No surprise there then from royaldunne and his anti Ulster ramblings."
Since when has stating the obvious been anti ulster?????
Btw I adore Down football.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 21/08/2016 21:53:57    1904173

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Since when has stating the obvious been anti ulster?????
Btw I adore Down football."
We all know the Down fans you refer to. Anyhow look at your posting history and you'll answer your own question - do you actually think we don't see your bias. Saying that Tyrone or Donegal would not beat Tipp on their performance today is laughable and the comments of a deluded anti Ulster poster ( who loves Down apparently).

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 22/08/2016 00:30:39    1904237

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Replying To waynoI:  "trying to predict an unpredictable team isn't possible

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10/10 for stating the obvious!!"
haha t'is alright

GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 22/08/2016 01:13:50    1904243

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Replying To Seansy48:  "Who was the last Gaelic football team to lose 2 finals and then win 1 within 5 years?

Alot of people overlook the mental aspect of this game, if you want proof of it look no further than Tyrone beating Kerry in 2008

Kerry should have won, they had more talent and the lead with 10 to go but Tyrone knew they could beat Kerry and they were the only team to do it at Croke Park in the championship...ignore it if you want but there couldn't be a more obvious example of having the mental hex over a team. Like Kerry and Dublin do against Mayo"
I dont think Dublin have a hex over Mayo .Their record of meeting in the championship last ten years in evenish but Kerry certainly do have one .

GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 22/08/2016 01:17:53    1904244

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Surely they must win one eventually.If they lose this one it is just madness statistically. It would be their eighth final without winning one in a row, that is just madness.By the law of averages they are due this one. If they lose this one there must be something behind that curse shite it is just getting ridiculous .

GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 22/08/2016 01:22:48    1904245

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Previous years we were accused of peaking too early in the championship. This year we haven't peaked at all though it's questionable if we can. While Kerry and Dblin expect a handy All Ireland if they win next Sunday our team of experienced players , many who have played in finals, including All Stars and successful minor and U21s, will have plenty to say about that.

Kinda reminds me of Donegal in '92. They beat us in a woeful semi final and no-one gave them a chance in the final. Rumour had it that The Dubs even had Sam Maguire '92 t-shirts printed before the game. These Dubs are miles ahead if that team, Galvin doesn't allow complacency. But we're happy to be lampooned for the next four weeks, sure we're well used to it by now. Let the banter begin!

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 22/08/2016 09:31:44    1904293

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Replying To kerrykerry:  "I remember the old fellas in Kerry saying that Mayo had always one good game in the championship ....well it hasn't happened yet....saving it for the final maybe?"
You could argue their win over Tyrone was that one good performance...

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 22/08/2016 13:19:26    1904427

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Cork 2010
Dublin 1995

Pretty good considering there aren't many teams getting to 2 finals within a 5 year period.

I think people are too quick to write teams off as mentally weak.

There just aren't enough matches in Gaelic to draw strong conclusions like that.

Do you think Mayo are less than 3-1 to win because if I could I'd love to bet on them at that price."
Fair on those teams, but it took a new contender to turn up for the final for the to earn the title.

Teams with no medals in the pocket and one of those teams won't be turning up in 4 week for Mayo.

I think Mayo are less than 3/1 based on public perception and what they've done in the past, I mean I'm reading that they haven't turned up all year and are still in the final and in another comment a guy says they showed up when it needed to against Tyrone and that's proof that Mayo are different this year. Not to mention when does a bookie give you 3/1 in a two horse race.

Look besides there's no logic to the idea Mayo will win this AI, they've shown nothing in terms of ability to beat Kerry or Dublin all year. They have no silverware to speak of, they didn't even go to the league semi final...in the league they lost to both Dublin and Kerry. Smashed by Kerry at home in Castlebar also lost to Dublin in a wet affair by 2 points once again in Castlebar.

The only reason you could logically think that Mayo could win is that they beat Tyrone...I'm a Tyrone man and I think that's silly, we showed that day we're not there just yet. Not to mention they haven't produced a performance that would see off Kerry or Dublin in about 5 years now....all these games they 'should have won' aside

Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 22/08/2016 13:52:22    1904454

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Replying To Seansy48:  "Fair on those teams, but it took a new contender to turn up for the final for the to earn the title.

Teams with no medals in the pocket and one of those teams won't be turning up in 4 week for Mayo.

I think Mayo are less than 3/1 based on public perception and what they've done in the past, I mean I'm reading that they haven't turned up all year and are still in the final and in another comment a guy says they showed up when it needed to against Tyrone and that's proof that Mayo are different this year. Not to mention when does a bookie give you 3/1 in a two horse race.

Look besides there's no logic to the idea Mayo will win this AI, they've shown nothing in terms of ability to beat Kerry or Dublin all year. They have no silverware to speak of, they didn't even go to the league semi final...in the league they lost to both Dublin and Kerry. Smashed by Kerry at home in Castlebar also lost to Dublin in a wet affair by 2 points once again in Castlebar.

The only reason you could logically think that Mayo could win is that they beat Tyrone...I'm a Tyrone man and I think that's silly, we showed that day we're not there just yet. Not to mention they haven't produced a performance that would see off Kerry or Dublin in about 5 years now....all these games they 'should have won' aside"
The reason I think Mayo can win the AI is that come the morning of 18th September they will be one of the 2 teams preparing for the final.

1 win, 1 big day is all that it will take.

They have a definite chance.

They shouldn't be favourites but they are far from no hopers.

They have a very good pedigree. 3rd final in 5 years, 2 semifinal losses in extra time to the eventual champions, they've come as close as possible without winning.

I also think form isn't a great guide in Gaelic, not enough games are played. We have no idea yet how Mayo will match up versus Dublin or Kerry.

I wouldn't read much into The league it's a preseason competition, particularly for a team like Mayo where only one prize matters to them.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 22/08/2016 14:40:04    1904481

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Replying To Whammo86:  "The reason I think Mayo can win the AI is that come the morning of 18th September they will be one of the 2 teams preparing for the final.

1 win, 1 big day is all that it will take.

They have a definite chance.

They shouldn't be favourites but they are far from no hopers.

They have a very good pedigree. 3rd final in 5 years, 2 semifinal losses in extra time to the eventual champions, they've come as close as possible without winning.

I also think form isn't a great guide in Gaelic, not enough games are played. We have no idea yet how Mayo will match up versus Dublin or Kerry.

I wouldn't read much into The league it's a preseason competition, particularly for a team like Mayo where only one prize matters to them."
Fair enough Whammo, we have a difference of opinion.

I don't think you can turn it on like that just for a final, if they'd upped the intensity from the Tyrone game against Tipp then maybe i'd have thought they were getting somewhere

To me they haven't shown they have it in them this year, they had in other years in blitzing Donegal in quarter finals etc.

Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 22/08/2016 15:02:36    1904495

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9th August 2014 - All-Ireland quarter final.

Donegal 1-12
Armagh 1-11

Why is this significant?


Well following that game, nobody gave Donegal a chance against Dublin. They had "stumbled across the line" and were "in poor form".
McGuinness has since explained the flat-footed performance that day, putting it down to the team being focused on Dublin and training like there was no tomorrow in the week leading up to the Armagh game.


Are Mayo doing the same? Possibly, and here's why;

Mayo are a better team than Galway, yet they lost to Galway.
Mayo are much better than Kildare and Westmeath yet didn't exactly stroll past either.
Mayo have sauntered through Connaught for the past 5 years only to put in a "nearly" performance in the all Ireland semi final or final. i.e. they peaked too soon.

There is a big game in this Mayo team and I think we'll see it on 18th September. It may not be enough to win Sam, but it will be a hell of a lot closer than most people on here are suggesting!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 22/08/2016 15:16:30    1904502

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Replying To GameOfTyrones:  "Surely they must win one eventually.If they lose this one it is just madness statistically. It would be their eighth final without winning one in a row, that is just madness.By the law of averages they are due this one. If they lose this one there must be something behind that curse shite it is just getting ridiculous ."
Nope, nope, nope


They will be underdogs - as they have been for every final since 97 (they were favourites in 96), so hardly cursed or even unlucky. Very few finals have gone against the odds in the past 10 years. 2011 maybe the only one?

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 22/08/2016 15:22:34    1904507

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Replying To Seansy48:  "Fair enough Whammo, we have a difference of opinion.

I don't think you can turn it on like that just for a final, if they'd upped the intensity from the Tyrone game against Tipp then maybe i'd have thought they were getting somewhere

To me they haven't shown they have it in them this year, they had in other years in blitzing Donegal in quarter finals etc."
I was at the game yesterday, I have to say I couldn't understand how Tipp were 6-3 up at one stage.

Mayo were much better than them in general play at that stage. Moran was excellent, the ball being played in to him was absolutely first class.

They were wasteful with a lot of the good positions they found themselves in. If they are to win Sam they need to get the scores when they are on top.

Second half they really weren't great and the second goal was very jammy, again if they play like that they're on a hiding to nothing.

The most important thing for me though is they've got class the whole way through the team that just can't be written off.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 22/08/2016 15:25:11    1904508

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despite what people say, Mayo have had a tough route to the final. London,Galway,Fermanagh,Kildare,Westmeath,Tyrone,Tipperrary.

Kerry and Dublin will have had it easy in comparison (apart from the match between themseles).

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 22/08/2016 15:54:48    1904521

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Nope, nope, nope


They will be underdogs - as they have been for every final since 97 (they were favourites in 96), so hardly cursed or even unlucky. Very few finals have gone against the odds in the past 10 years. 2011 maybe the only one?"
Yeah but a even if you made an accumalator with all the finals they have been in in a row since 89 and backed the other team for every final you would have won a crazy amount of money from a tenner no doubt.

Just out of curiosity I picked random games with random odds of teams who were favourites on a betting site from different sports . Odds were all random but everyone favourites bar one (the same as Mayo's finals since 89) Odds were 1/2 ,2/5, 4/6,4/74/9,4/11 and one slight favourite at evens.

So if you put ten euro on this accumulator you would get back 210 euro.Odds of 21/1 basically. Even if they were usually underdogs it is still extremely unlikely they would lose every single one.Throw in this years and the odds would be up to roughy 27/1 based on what I presume the odds for the final will be.

That is just an example . The true odds of all those finals I would love to see. Could tell a different story that is closer to 40/1.It is still a strange tale nonetheless that can lose all these time after time.

GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 22/08/2016 15:57:36    1904523

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Replying To Seansy48:  "Fair enough Whammo, we have a difference of opinion.

I don't think you can turn it on like that just for a final, if they'd upped the intensity from the Tyrone game against Tipp then maybe i'd have thought they were getting somewhere

To me they haven't shown they have it in them this year, they had in other years in blitzing Donegal in quarter finals etc."
seansy, and where did blitzing a team in the 1/4 finals get us. Mayo have done enough to get the job done, and will be flying it hopefully in the final and give a performance.

maigheoabu2016 (Mayo) - Posts: 17 - 22/08/2016 16:04:21    1904528

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Replying To cavanman47:  "9th August 2014 - All-Ireland quarter final.

Donegal 1-12
Armagh 1-11

Why is this significant?


Well following that game, nobody gave Donegal a chance against Dublin. They had "stumbled across the line" and were "in poor form".
McGuinness has since explained the flat-footed performance that day, putting it down to the team being focused on Dublin and training like there was no tomorrow in the week leading up to the Armagh game.


Are Mayo doing the same? Possibly, and here's why;

Mayo are a better team than Galway, yet they lost to Galway.
Mayo are much better than Kildare and Westmeath yet didn't exactly stroll past either.
Mayo have sauntered through Connaught for the past 5 years only to put in a "nearly" performance in the all Ireland semi final or final. i.e. they peaked too soon.

There is a big game in this Mayo team and I think we'll see it on 18th September. It may not be enough to win Sam, but it will be a hell of a lot closer than most people on here are suggesting!"
I agree 100%. First of all i expect Dublin to win against Kerry.....just about. Kerry like Donegal 2 years ago are fully focused on Dublin from the very beginning of the championship. Its the only way any team will beat Dublin. Mayo are doing the exact same. their best game was against Tyrone because they really needed to work to win it, but all the other games it was just doing enough because the largest part of their thoughts were on Dublin. I really think this is their year, they're winning games relatively handy, they're getting big scores at the right time, no injuries and they're getting a bit of luck too. Now all they have to do is hope for Dublin!!!!

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 22/08/2016 16:45:52    1904545

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Replying To cavanman47:  "9th August 2014 - All-Ireland quarter final.

Donegal 1-12
Armagh 1-11

Why is this significant?


Well following that game, nobody gave Donegal a chance against Dublin. They had "stumbled across the line" and were "in poor form".
McGuinness has since explained the flat-footed performance that day, putting it down to the team being focused on Dublin and training like there was no tomorrow in the week leading up to the Armagh game.


Are Mayo doing the same? Possibly, and here's why;

Mayo are a better team than Galway, yet they lost to Galway.
Mayo are much better than Kildare and Westmeath yet didn't exactly stroll past either.
Mayo have sauntered through Connaught for the past 5 years only to put in a "nearly" performance in the all Ireland semi final or final. i.e. they peaked too soon.

There is a big game in this Mayo team and I think we'll see it on 18th September. It may not be enough to win Sam, but it will be a hell of a lot closer than most people on here are suggesting!"
The difference being the medal count though, Donegal knew they could play better because they'd been champs and knew what it took.

Not to mention I've never seen a team with as sure minded confidence in the manager as Donegal under McGuinness

Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 22/08/2016 17:05:54    1904559

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