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1. Big fan of the stop clock - it makes sense and would be a great improvement though it only seems a minor change.
2. More championship matches around the country. This would really link into the never-ending championship structures debate but essentially I love the idea of, for example, a massive Championship match between Kerry and Donegal down in Killarney, or Dublin travelling to MacHale Park having to win to keep their summer alive. Matches like that will fill stadia and it's important they're not all in Croke Park. This is where the league has been a real success in recent years in my opinion, we went down to Tralee this year and it was a great weekend and great buzz around the town.
3. A general agreement to ignore hysterical analysis and end-of-days knee jerk reactions. Remember Jarlath Burns saying Gaelic football was dead because Derry dared set up defensively against the Dubs a few years ago? Enough is enough. These pundits exaggerate and people lap it up. It doesn't make for decent analysis of the game or where counties are at in their progress. Thankfully we're getting a bit away from this with some decent columns and podcasts but unfortunately you still have the three stooges on RTE
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realman - who will kildare amalgamate with
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 24/08/2016 16:02:35
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How many championship matches does the Gaelic Grounds get for example? Or Pearse Stadium?
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts:396 - 24/08/2016 15:46:06
gaelic grounds only filled twice since 2003 redevelopment - 2008 and 2013 munster finals - prob have to wait until 2023 rugby world cup to fill it again
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 24/08/2016 16:05:34
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realman - who will kildare amalgamate with
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:579 - 24/08/2016
Dublin and Meath obviously.
3 of the last 5 All Ireland's between us anyways.
if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 24/08/2016 16:11:09
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Replying To janesboro: "There is one nice stadium in the country for GAA. The rest are kips.
realman2 (Kildare) - Posts:386 - 24/08/2016 15:06:47 1905367
thurles fitzgerald stadium and gaelic grounds, nowlan park , pearse park wexford park aint kips might be more but not familiar with them" We'll agree to disagree. i was in thurles 13 years ago, my god what a kip. I was in Killarney around 2012, a grey kip. The gaelic grounds with the huge stand with no covering, are ye kidding me?
Look I get that most of you are happy enough with a stadium once you have a seat and can see the game and there's a jacks and a hopefully a sandwich and tea to be bought if you're really being spoilt. But I think the stadium experience is important. Being able to have a comfortable seat with a covered roof, a nice looking modern ground without ugly chipped grey concrete everywhere. Being able to buy a beer or a burger that didn't come out of a van. A stadium with an identity and a soul and colour not just an ugly grey miserable kip.
This is how sport is watched in the Uk and the continent. Its just something we aren't really conscious of in Ireland for some reason.
Again this is just what i would like to see. If you don't agree that's fine.
realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 24/08/2016 16:28:16
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REALMAN The gaelic grounds with the huge stand with no covering, are ye kidding me?
maybe you could go to the other covered side , or wear raingear
the uncovered stand is great sport to watch a game from - if its wet bring raingear - if you want to watch a game in lavish comfort - watch it telly
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 24/08/2016 16:37:50
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Replying To realman2: "The game need to modernise. The Premier league shows how a successful sports competition works.
I suggest we copy it as much as we can because the games itself are a very marketable product, the only thing holding it back is the outdated county structure which leads to most teams just making up the numbers, too few games between teams that can compete with each other and the poor infrastructure (stadiums that are sh!tholes).
If you have a county season that lasts from March to August (24 weeks) you still have time for players to play in their club championship.
I know words like Marketable product in regards to GAA are evil since Joe Brolly decreed it so but I don't subscribe to his thinking.
The GAA have a brilliant sport/product in my view and should look to maximise it's potential. I'd personally much rather watch a close game in a nice stadium with amalgamated teams where the winner means something than watch a game between wexford and kildare where both teams are just making up the numbers and the winner is just cannon fodder." Your comparison between the GAA and premier league isn't so much apples and oranges as apples and aircraft carriers. Nobody would go to support a made up team. Why would a Meath man suddenly start supporting some North Leinster entity that effectively ended Meath's existence?
You hear the same argument made in the LOI: "Set up new clubs in fresh areas, people will flock to watch them". This ignores the fact sporting Fingal, Kilkenny, Monaghan, Kildare, Dublin City etc. all fill the graveyard of LOI clubs who collapsed after it turned out nobody supported them.
CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1646 - 24/08/2016 16:43:36
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Replying To janesboro: "There is one nice stadium in the country for GAA. The rest are kips.
realman2 (Kildare) - Posts:386 - 24/08/2016 15:06:47 1905367
thurles fitzgerald stadium and gaelic grounds, nowlan park , pearse park wexford park aint kips might be more but not familiar with them" Just noticed you said pearse park...are you serious? A ground where there are safety concerns about one of the stands so they don't let people into it. Even if there wasn't its a complete and utter (i'm sorry to use the word again) KIP!!
realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 24/08/2016 16:44:02
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Replying To realman2: "We'll agree to disagree. i was in thurles 13 years ago, my god what a kip. I was in Killarney around 2012, a grey kip. The gaelic grounds with the huge stand with no covering, are ye kidding me?
Look I get that most of you are happy enough with a stadium once you have a seat and can see the game and there's a jacks and a hopefully a sandwich and tea to be bought if you're really being spoilt. But I think the stadium experience is important. Being able to have a comfortable seat with a covered roof, a nice looking modern ground without ugly chipped grey concrete everywhere. Being able to buy a beer or a burger that didn't come out of a van. A stadium with an identity and a soul and colour not just an ugly grey miserable kip.
This is how sport is watched in the Uk and the continent. Its just something we aren't really conscious of in Ireland for some reason.
Again this is just what i would like to see. If you don't agree that's fine." I think you need to run before you can walk.
We just don't have the resources in the whole GAA that even 1 of the top premier league clubs have.
Getting more out attending games would be a start.
Getting the league part of the championship and playing it March to the June bank holiday with big game weeks on the 4 bank holidays that contains.
Get the playoffs run to finish with both hurling and football finals on Aug bank holiday.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4236 - 24/08/2016 16:45:04
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Replying To janesboro: "REALMAN The gaelic grounds with the huge stand with no covering, are ye kidding me?
maybe you could go to the other covered side , or wear raingear
the uncovered stand is great sport to watch a game from - if its wet bring raingear - if you want to watch a game in lavish comfort - watch it telly" Just bring raingear. Problem solved.
realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 24/08/2016 16:51:02
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Amalgamate smaller neighbouring counties and work towards a premier league system where all teams (aim for about 12-14)
can actually compete with each other.
Build three further 30/40,000 mainly all seater stadiums around the country.
Have the game semi pro with no transfer system
realman2 (Kildare) - Posts:391 - 24/08/2016 14:32:51Where does the money come from to build all these all seater stadiums and who funds it?
Its not legal to have a semi pro game with no transfer system.
There is one nice stadium in the country for GAA. The rest are kips. You are like most Irish people in that you have a poor appreciation that building a nice stadia takes a sport to a new level and attracts people to venues as much to see the stadium as to see the sport within it.
We in ireland are so used to watching GAA in kippish stadiums that most of us don't actually mind it anymore.
realman2 (Kildare) - Posts:391 - 24/08/2016 15:06:47There is a lot more than 1 nice stadium and the rest are not kips. You are comparing an amateur association with sporting associations and professional teams that have millions and millions of funding more than the GAA
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1. More respect for club players - fines for county boards that cancel games that fall outside the 13 day rule for county teams.
2. Scrap the league (have McKenna Cup, O'Byrne etc. as warm up leagues) and bring in champions league type format starting in April and finals played by the end of July.
3. Club All Irelands played off by November at the latest.
Very unfair on Na Piarsaigh starting the Limerick championship a few weeks after their All Ireland win and now find themselves out before the business end of the championship starts up.
Joe_Bloggs (Tipperary) - Posts: 186 - 24/08/2016 17:03:55
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Replying To Joe_Bloggs: "1. More respect for club players - fines for county boards that cancel games that fall outside the 13 day rule for county teams.
2. Scrap the league (have McKenna Cup, O'Byrne etc. as warm up leagues) and bring in champions league type format starting in April and finals played by the end of July.
3. Club All Irelands played off by November at the latest.
Very unfair on Na Piarsaigh starting the Limerick championship a few weeks after their All Ireland win and now find themselves out before the business end of the championship starts up." I wouldn't dream of scraping the league.
It's getting to the stage where it's a better spectacle than the championship. Far less 1-sided games, more variety in terms of away venues (for games that mean more to some people than the qualifiers).
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5016 - 24/08/2016 17:15:43
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "Amalgamate smaller neighbouring counties and work towards a premier league system where all teams (aim for about 12-14)
can actually compete with each other.
Build three further 30/40,000 mainly all seater stadiums around the country.
Have the game semi pro with no transfer system
realman2 (Kildare) - Posts:391 - 24/08/2016 14:32:51Where does the money come from to build all these all seater stadiums and who funds it?
Its not legal to have a semi pro game with no transfer system.
There is one nice stadium in the country for GAA. The rest are kips. You are like most Irish people in that you have a poor appreciation that building a nice stadia takes a sport to a new level and attracts people to venues as much to see the stadium as to see the sport within it.
We in ireland are so used to watching GAA in kippish stadiums that most of us don't actually mind it anymore.
realman2 (Kildare) - Posts:391 - 24/08/2016 15:06:47There is a lot more than 1 nice stadium and the rest are not kips. You are comparing an amateur association with sporting associations and professional teams that have millions and millions of funding more than the GAA" I haven't forgotten your questions and I will have some answers later. Need to give those questions the attention they deserve.
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1. More respect for club players - fines for county boards that cancel games that fall outside the 13 day rule for county teams.
2. Scrap the league (have McKenna Cup, O'Byrne etc. as warm up leagues) and bring in champions league type format starting in April and finals played by the end of July.
3. Club All Irelands played off by November at the latest.
Very unfair on Na Piarsaigh starting the Limerick championship a few weeks after their All Ireland win and now find themselves out before the business end of the championship starts up.
Joe_Bloggs (Tipperary) - Posts:105 - 24/08/2016 17:03:55 Club players could do more to help themselves be respected better. Cause trouble etc and embarrass the GAA to respect them better
How is scrapping the league and therefore having less games and games played in a shorter time frame better for the GAA
Playing the club all Irelands off in calendar year does need to happen though at least plans are underway for that to happen
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It's getting to the stage where it's a better spectacle than the championship. Far less 1-sided games, more variety in terms of away venues (for games that mean more to some people than the qualifiers)." Thats my point, have the league as championship.
Joe_Bloggs (Tipperary) - Posts: 186 - 25/08/2016 09:41:07
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "1. More respect for club players - fines for county boards that cancel games that fall outside the 13 day rule for county teams.
2. Scrap the league (have McKenna Cup, O'Byrne etc. as warm up leagues) and bring in champions league type format starting in April and finals played by the end of July.
3. Club All Irelands played off by November at the latest.
Very unfair on Na Piarsaigh starting the Limerick championship a few weeks after their All Ireland win and now find themselves out before the business end of the championship starts up.
Joe_Bloggs (Tipperary) - Posts:105 - 24/08/2016 17:03:55 Club players could do more to help themselves be respected better. Cause trouble etc and embarrass the GAA to respect them better
How is scrapping the league and therefore having less games and games played in a shorter time frame better for the GAA
Playing the club all Irelands off in calendar year does need to happen though at least plans are underway for that to happen" It helps the club players enjoy a better championship rather than having to play matches mid week under lights in Sept / Oct like whats going to happen in Tipp in a few weeks.
Most counties in the football championship only play two games anyway...
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A stadium with an identity and a soul and colour not just an ugly grey miserable kip.
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Gaelic grounds limerick and thurles have soul and colour and fantastic surfaces ,will have new pairc ui chaoimh soon , stands in gaelic grounds are green and terraces more white than grey,stands in thurles are blue and blue and gold - The new stand (the older structure) is blue and the old stand (newer structure) is blue and yellow - -- or have i got the stands mixed up !!!!!!
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 25/08/2016 12:02:09
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It helps the club players enjoy a better championship rather than having to play matches mid week under lights in Sept / Oct like whats going to happen in Tipp in a few weeks.
Most counties in the football championship only play two games anyway...
Joe_Bloggs (Tipperary) - Posts:108 - 25/08/2016 09:43:36 Talking about scrapping the league is delusional. Club players could play more games in summer with better management by county boards and players from clubs willing to stand up for themselves.
Counties should be playing more than 2 games in championship anyway.
Gaelic grounds limerick and thurles have soul and colour and fantastic surfaces ,will have new pairc ui chaoimh soon , stands in gaelic grounds are green and terraces more white than grey,stands in thurles are blue and blue and gold - The new stand (the older structure) is blue and the old stand (newer structure) is blue and yellow - -- or have i got the stands mixed up !!!!!!
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:582 - 25/08/2016 12:02:09Colour of seats is irrelevant to calling a venue soulless colourless.
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "It helps the club players enjoy a better championship rather than having to play matches mid week under lights in Sept / Oct like whats going to happen in Tipp in a few weeks.
Most counties in the football championship only play two games anyway...
Joe_Bloggs (Tipperary) - Posts:108 - 25/08/2016 09:43:36 Talking about scrapping the league is delusional. Club players could play more games in summer with better management by county boards and players from clubs willing to stand up for themselves.
Counties should be playing more than 2 games in championship anyway.
Gaelic grounds limerick and thurles have soul and colour and fantastic surfaces ,will have new pairc ui chaoimh soon , stands in gaelic grounds are green and terraces more white than grey,stands in thurles are blue and blue and gold - The new stand (the older structure) is blue and the old stand (newer structure) is blue and yellow - -- or have i got the stands mixed up !!!!!!
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:582 - 25/08/2016 12:02:09Colour of seats is irrelevant to calling a venue soulless colourless." I dont see how its delusional, counties can play the Winter leagues (McGrath Cup, O'Byrne Cup etc.) to get ready for the championship which I would have starting earlier in league format.
How do you suggest club players stand up for themselves?
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