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I would like if the league and championship were incorporated.
Whammo86 (Antrim)
I wouldn't mind seeing some incentive for going well in the league. The league is a ranking 1 to 32. One option is using it to seed qualifier draws.
Another option is to allow league placing determine when non-provincial finalists enter qualifier round 1 and 2. The drawback here though is that it is convenient to play qualifier round 1 at the same time as provincial semi-finals.
Half the number of counties from each province in the final 16 is a fair option but many would prefer the qualifiers remaining national instead of being provincial based.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7873 - 21/08/2016 09:26:39
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Ok this is a bit of a large shake up and is not especially realistic.
Base the All Ireland on 3 regional groups of 8.
8 in the Ulster league
8 in the Leinster league
8 Munster/Connacht league
8 To be appropriately named 2nd tier league.
Season starts with a qualifying tournament for each league.
Top 6 from the previous season in each league automatically qualify.
London joins Ulster.
2 from 4 qualify in Ulster
2 from 5 qualify from each of Leinster and Munster/Connacht
8 teams not qualifying play in their own league.
After the qualifiers each league has 8 teams playing each other once.
Teams qualify for AI last 16 stage through their regional leagues.
5 teams from Munster/Connacht qualify, 4 teams from each of other 2 leagues automatically qualify for 13 automatic qualifiers.
Theirs a playoff round for the 5 other 5th and 6th placed teams plus the winner of the second tier league.
There are provincial championship playoffs also with too 3 in Ulster and Leinster qualifying (top teams straight into their finals) and top 2 from each of Munster and Connacht qualifying for their finals.
Last 16 is 4 groups of 4 with at least 1 team from each regional league.
Teams are seeded based on how they did in their provincial league.
Top 2 from each group into quarter-finals
Season plays provincial league qualifiers in March.
Provincial league runs from last week in March until June bank holiday weekend.
Provincial championships and playoff rounds finished in June.
AI group stage played in July and finished on Aug bank holiday.
Quarters 2nd week Aug, semifinals and final played on their traditional weekend.
Provincial leagues are really good competitions I could see fans going in for. Particularly Ulster.
There's something to play for in practically every league.
The Bottom tier league should probably have 4 teams qualifying for their playoffs with the winner getting reentry to the AI group stage if they win a playoff round.
Keeps the bottom league relevant without giving it too much of an unfair advantage.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4240 - 21/08/2016 19:27:18
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The national football league is fine. There isn't even a desire to combine divisions 3 and 4, making it one tier split north and south.
League attendances are fine. A slight edge of seeding for qualifiers is as far as I would go if it's to have any link to championship.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7873 - 21/08/2016 20:08:17
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Replying To legendzxix: "The national football league is fine. There isn't even a desire to combine divisions 3 and 4, making it one tier split north and south.
League attendances are fine. A slight edge of seeding for qualifiers is as far as I would go if it's to have any link to championship." I really don't think the league is fine.
Far from it.
The league is a waste in my opinion. You have all these games that are really just a preseason competition.
I think if the standard in lower counties is to be improved the league needs to offer them more.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4240 - 21/08/2016 20:26:39
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I think if the standard in lower counties is to be improved the league needs to offer them more.
Whammo86 (Antrim)
Division 4 counties rejected the B Championship. It would have meant a more competitive Division 3 and 4 as league placing would have had a huge bearing on their championship position.
They still would have been included in the provincial championships with a final appearance offering another route into the top tier.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7873 - 21/08/2016 21:32:55
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Replying To Whammo86: "I really don't think the league is fine.
Far from it.
The league is a waste in my opinion. You have all these games that are really just a preseason competition.
I think if the standard in lower counties is to be improved the league needs to offer them more." I agree.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2615 - 23/08/2016 14:11:22
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A league with 4 divisions
1 North, 1 South, 2 North, 2 South would be an interesting base for a season.
1 North would probably be something along the lines of:
Tyrone
Donegal
Monaghan
Derry
Cavan
Fermanagh
Down
Meath
1 South
Dublin
Kerry
Mayo
Cork
Galway
Tipperary
Clare
Roscommon
2 North
Antrim
Armagh
Louth
Leitrim
Sligo
Longford
Westmeath
London (maybe rotate them between the regions 2 years north, 2 years south)
2 South
Laois
Offaly
Carlow
Wexford
Wicklow
Limerick
Waterford
Kildare
You're getting a lot of the games that you'd want from the provincial championships being played here.
I'd move the competition along by having the top 4 teams from each division 1 section play each other. These teams would be guaranteed a place in the knockout series but are playing for the league title and byes/seeding for the knockout round.
The bottom 4 from division 1 groups and top 4 from division 2 groups go into playoffs for relegation/promotion and for the last 4 knockout places.
These get run off by either grouping the teams by region or by division. My preference would be for by region.
So bottom 4 of 1 North play top 4 of 2 North.
Those 8 teams get ranked 1-8.
1st place into AI knockout
2-3rd place playoff with 2nd/3rd in South for last 2 knockout places
4/5th placed teams play for a place in the following season's division 1.
12 teams into AI knockout rounds.
1-4 from division 1 get a bye to AI quarter finals.
The other 8 teams playing off for a place.
Bottom 4 teams from div 2 sections get eliminated straight away.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4240 - 23/08/2016 17:02:16
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Replying To Whammo86: "A league with 4 divisions
1 North, 1 South, 2 North, 2 South would be an interesting base for a season.
1 North would probably be something along the lines of:
Tyrone
Donegal
Monaghan
Derry
Cavan
Fermanagh
Down
Meath
1 South
Dublin
Kerry
Mayo
Cork
Galway
Tipperary
Clare
Roscommon
2 North
Antrim
Armagh
Louth
Leitrim
Sligo
Longford
Westmeath
London (maybe rotate them between the regions 2 years north, 2 years south)
2 South
Laois
Offaly
Carlow
Wexford
Wicklow
Limerick
Waterford
Kildare
You're getting a lot of the games that you'd want from the provincial championships being played here.
I'd move the competition along by having the top 4 teams from each division 1 section play each other. These teams would be guaranteed a place in the knockout series but are playing for the league title and byes/seeding for the knockout round.
The bottom 4 from division 1 groups and top 4 from division 2 groups go into playoffs for relegation/promotion and for the last 4 knockout places.
These get run off by either grouping the teams by region or by division. My preference would be for by region.
So bottom 4 of 1 North play top 4 of 2 North.
Those 8 teams get ranked 1-8.
1st place into AI knockout
2-3rd place playoff with 2nd/3rd in South for last 2 knockout places
4/5th placed teams play for a place in the following season's division 1.
12 teams into AI knockout rounds.
1-4 from division 1 get a bye to AI quarter finals.
The other 8 teams playing off for a place.
Bottom 4 teams from div 2 sections get eliminated straight away." Hahaha - got puzzled by the geog, reaching a bit to drag Mayo and Rosc into South section, and read the idea numerous times and I could not get it. Does each team play 7 intra region matches, and then 7 more nationally ?
Anyway, in the 80s, the actual NFL was played with a North/South divide - each with Div 1 of six and Div 2 of 2x5 - North was Conn/Uls plus Louth, Longf, Westm, less Galw.
Maybe I'd like a National Div 1 with 12 and Regional Div 2 (2x10). With the lower div playing 2 less matches, build in additional KO rds for them, like your good (great) prior idea. I think think the best teams should play the national best, and the likes of Carlow should be more interested in playing Laois, a local rival, than travelling to Cavan.
Or alternatively, Regional Upper 10 (single rd) and Lower 6 (double rd).
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2615 - 23/08/2016 19:52:30
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Replying To omahant: "Hahaha - got puzzled by the geog, reaching a bit to drag Mayo and Rosc into South section, and read the idea numerous times and I could not get it. Does each team play 7 intra region matches, and then 7 more nationally ?
Anyway, in the 80s, the actual NFL was played with a North/South divide - each with Div 1 of six and Div 2 of 2x5 - North was Conn/Uls plus Louth, Longf, Westm, less Galw.
Maybe I'd like a National Div 1 with 12 and Regional Div 2 (2x10). With the lower div playing 2 less matches, build in additional KO rds for them, like your good (great) prior idea. I think think the best teams should play the national best, and the likes of Carlow should be more interested in playing Laois, a local rival, than travelling to Cavan.
Or alternatively, Regional Upper 10 (single rd) and Lower 6 (double rd)." Yeah those leagues would be very interesting.
Top 2 from each division 2 section go into semifinals.
League finalists get promoted and qualify for the 12 AI knockout rounds.
3rd and 4th from each section remain in a promotion series.
First round North 3 v South 4; South 3 v North 4.
Second round: Losing division 2 semi finalists v round 1 winners.
Final round: Round 2 winners vs 9th and 10th from division 1. The winners also qualify for the AI knock out rounds.
Division 2 finishes in May Day , division 1 finishes on June bank holiday as long with division 2 final.
Provincial championships start 3rd week of June and get played off over 7 weeks. 6 more weeks for AI series.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4240 - 24/08/2016 20:38:04
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