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Well done to Tipp - great game.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 05/09/2016 09:26:51    1910081

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Hearty congratulations to the Premier, they were awesome yesterday. Delighted for them.

Commiserations to the Cat's, they might have been second best put they went toe to toe in the first half and when they got the goal, you wouldn't have beat against them somehow getting a result.

Tipp look in a strong place now, but we were probably all saying the same thing back in 2010 too. I wouldn't be writing Kilkenny's epitaph just yet. With Cody and the likes of Richie Power around, they'll be a big threat next year again.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 05/09/2016 09:34:49    1910085

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congrats to brian gavin who contributed to a marvellous occasion with a brilliant display of reffing..no cards issued and serious intensity and physicality.

kavvie (Clare) - Posts: 505 - 05/09/2016 09:43:15    1910087

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Replying To kavvie:  "congrats to brian gavin who contributed to a marvellous occasion with a brilliant display of reffing..no cards issued and serious intensity and physicality."
Totally agree Brian Gavin allowed a mans game to flow without producing stupid cards for nothing - football referees need to watch his performance carefully. Players a lot of credit to take also.

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 05/09/2016 10:13:01    1910097

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I've never seen Kilkenny so poor. Their basic skills were awful.

Their handling, first touch, rising of the ball was junior standard at times yesterday.

Tipp's indiscipline and poor shooting in the first half stopped this being a complete and utter annihilation on the scoreboard.

Well done Tipp. Much deserved.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 05/09/2016 10:40:51    1910121

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Well done to Tipp.
Better team for whole game and could easily have been more ahead at half time.
Continued on from where they left off in second half and were deserving winners.
KK will be back.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 05/09/2016 11:05:21    1910135

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Don't know much about hurling but it looked like Kilkenny were a bit naive at the back yesterday.

Loads of space for Tipps full forward line which everyone knew would be a big strength of theirs.

O'Dwyer only had 1 man to beat and lots of room to do so and he was in on goal. Great finish but it seemed to me that Kilkenny left themselves very exposed.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 05/09/2016 11:13:20    1910143

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Well done to Tipp on a top performance when they really needed it.
The scary thing for the rest of the hurling counties is that Tipp could and indeed should have won by a lot more, they weren't one bit flattered by the 9 point margin.

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 05/09/2016 12:59:52    1910206

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Well done to Tipp. A real classy performance.

Southsham (Limerick) - Posts: 738 - 05/09/2016 13:23:43    1910221

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fantastic game well done tipp - they deserved it - while im envious i certainly dont begrudge them callanans footwork outstanding

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 05/09/2016 14:54:05    1910274

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Replying To janesboro:  "fantastic game well done tipp - they deserved it - while im envious i certainly dont begrudge them callanans footwork outstanding"
Great win for Tipperary yesterday. I thought when Kilkenny got the first goal to go ahead in the second half they were going to do what kilkenny teams have done over the years and move out of sight of the oppisition. Instead it was Tipp who put the boot to the floor and blew the cats away.

clonjon (Dublin) - Posts: 665 - 05/09/2016 18:43:03    1910386

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My worst fears about Joey Holden at full back materialised, Callinan had 5 points scored from play off him in the first half and the rot spread throughout the entire full back line in the second half. A possible option might have been to put Joyce in on Callinan and bring Lennon on at centre back. It couldn't have been much worse than what was happening! We badly need a new full back for next year, Joey's not good enough at this level unfortunately. Shane Prender not good enough either. Tipp teams used to fear JJ Delaney and Jackie Tyrell in the full back line, do you think they fear Holden and Prendergast?! Paul Murphy had an off day, albeit in very difficult circumstances.

The half back line got dragged too far up the pitch and allowed the Tipp ff line oceans of room to operate. They'd have been better off holding their line and squeezing the space for Callinan and Dwyer when they got possession, something which has been a key feature of Kilkenny defensive play under Cody but which fell apart yesterday.

Forwards were very poor also. The 2-20 scoreline is misleading, TJ had a lot of frees and a 65, there was the Kevin Kelly sideline point and 3 points from the half back line. I know it doesn't matter who scores but 2-20 masks a plethora of deficiencies. Tj hasn't had a great year and unfortunately continued that form into the final. I'm bitterly disappointed in Walter Walsh and Colin Fennelly, these are two experienced and decorated players at this stage and they offered very little yesterday. I admired Richie Hogan's defiance yesterday, he was at least trying to make something happen even when it was obvious the match was gone from us.

A lot of work for Cody to do to catch up with that Tipp team.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 05/09/2016 19:44:28    1910399

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Wasn't surprised at all by the result yesterday, I felt Tipp would bring their best game to the final and they did.
I was surprised by how poor KK were though, they don't normally defend so badly on the big day.

Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 05/09/2016 22:26:23    1910458

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Kilkenny true champions as always and I'm sure they will be back to rattle Tipp next year.
Sad fact from yesterday we were probably 16 points better off than Kilkenny. Still they scored 2-20 which would win you any final.
My gut feeling once KK and Waterford drew is how would they handle the extra game along with the week less preparation for the final. Did that replay take a lot out of KK as they were monumental battles.
Plus Tipp put that 6 week Munster hoodoo to bed. Kilkenny looked a bit ragged were they out on their feet and couldn't live with the intensity Tipp were setting.
Normally you see KK peaking in final where they normally play their best hurling. Just my opinion on why they were a bit flat.
Can't say much on the Tipp performance we got the result and performance we craved.
Don't think Kilkenny or Cody are finished.They will relish the challenge in 2017.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 06/09/2016 00:04:05    1910499

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Replying To ballydalane:  "My worst fears about Joey Holden at full back materialised, Callinan had 5 points scored from play off him in the first half and the rot spread throughout the entire full back line in the second half. A possible option might have been to put Joyce in on Callinan and bring Lennon on at centre back. It couldn't have been much worse than what was happening! We badly need a new full back for next year, Joey's not good enough at this level unfortunately. Shane Prender not good enough either. Tipp teams used to fear JJ Delaney and Jackie Tyrell in the full back line, do you think they fear Holden and Prendergast?! Paul Murphy had an off day, albeit in very difficult circumstances.

The half back line got dragged too far up the pitch and allowed the Tipp ff line oceans of room to operate. They'd have been better off holding their line and squeezing the space for Callinan and Dwyer when they got possession, something which has been a key feature of Kilkenny defensive play under Cody but which fell apart yesterday.

Forwards were very poor also. The 2-20 scoreline is misleading, TJ had a lot of frees and a 65, there was the Kevin Kelly sideline point and 3 points from the half back line. I know it doesn't matter who scores but 2-20 masks a plethora of deficiencies. Tj hasn't had a great year and unfortunately continued that form into the final. I'm bitterly disappointed in Walter Walsh and Colin Fennelly, these are two experienced and decorated players at this stage and they offered very little yesterday. I admired Richie Hogan's defiance yesterday, he was at least trying to make something happen even when it was obvious the match was gone from us.

A lot of work for Cody to do to catch up with that Tipp team."
Did he not score some of the points of Prendergast and Murphy? Perosonally I thought Murphy was even poorer than the other two

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 06/09/2016 10:51:34    1910576

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Replying To WildPundit:  "Kilkenny true champions as always and I'm sure they will be back to rattle Tipp next year.
Sad fact from yesterday we were probably 16 points better off than Kilkenny. Still they scored 2-20 which would win you any final.
My gut feeling once KK and Waterford drew is how would they handle the extra game along with the week less preparation for the final. Did that replay take a lot out of KK as they were monumental battles.
Plus Tipp put that 6 week Munster hoodoo to bed. Kilkenny looked a bit ragged were they out on their feet and couldn't live with the intensity Tipp were setting.
Normally you see KK peaking in final where they normally play their best hurling. Just my opinion on why they were a bit flat.
Can't say much on the Tipp performance we got the result and performance we craved.
Don't think Kilkenny or Cody are finished.They will relish the challenge in 2017."
Too much gets made of rest times.

6 day turn arounds are a killer.

Beyond that I think people read too much into them.

Kilkenny had 3 weeks to prepare for the final after the replay which was only their fourth match of the summer. I'd be really surprised if that was much of a factor at all really.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 06/09/2016 11:21:15    1910590

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I reckoned Tipp would win handy if they played anyway near their potential as on paper they were way stronger.
I dont think Kilkenny having to play a replay had any bearing on the result, the only thing that happened was Cody had to make a lot of changes which he'd normally be able to do in a final. Kilkenny could have done with Blanchfields performance in the final rather than the semi final but Tipp were already aware of how dangerous he could be after seeing him in the semi final.
People are being a little harsh on Holden I think, I know he got roasted but he got no cover from his half back line, the amount of space that Callanan had to run into was unreal and I couldnt believe he was allowed it for the whole game. Also, he has big boots to fill after JJ left. Cody mustnt trust John Joe Farrell or John Power when he didnt bring them on and they needing a goal. Was Tyrell an option to come on for Prendergast?
I think in any other era Tipp could have another 4 / 5 All Irelands but have been unlucky that they've been coming up against the greatest team of all time.

Joe_Bloggs (Tipperary) - Posts: 186 - 06/09/2016 12:16:02    1910629

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On a different note...Waterford must have been kicking themselves. Tipp attacked KK when they had them under pressure...Waterford sat back. Maurice came on and one a free the second day and never went in near the 21 for the rest of the game.
Tipp were the only team that really went for it against KK and targeted their full back line with nearly every ball

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 06/09/2016 12:56:03    1910659

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Replying To Joe_Bloggs:  "I reckoned Tipp would win handy if they played anyway near their potential as on paper they were way stronger.
I dont think Kilkenny having to play a replay had any bearing on the result, the only thing that happened was Cody had to make a lot of changes which he'd normally be able to do in a final. Kilkenny could have done with Blanchfields performance in the final rather than the semi final but Tipp were already aware of how dangerous he could be after seeing him in the semi final.
People are being a little harsh on Holden I think, I know he got roasted but he got no cover from his half back line, the amount of space that Callanan had to run into was unreal and I couldnt believe he was allowed it for the whole game. Also, he has big boots to fill after JJ left. Cody mustnt trust John Joe Farrell or John Power when he didnt bring them on and they needing a goal. Was Tyrell an option to come on for Prendergast?
I think in any other era Tipp could have another 4 / 5 All Irelands but have been unlucky that they've been coming up against the greatest team of all time."
I believe if we hadn't been so cocky in 2011 and better prepared in 2012 we could have won all Ireland.
2013 was a right off again beaten by a fired up Kilkenny in their backyard. If we had beaten them I would have expected us to win all Ireland.
2014 undone again by a great Kilkenny team so it's about time we changed this 1 all Ireland every couple of years.
We need to win 9 in a row to be up there with Kilkenny.
Without a doubt we have lost finals to the greatest team of all time whilst also beating them.
With the likes of Waterford or Galway now getting closer Tipperary and Kilkenny will both step it up no doubt but I don't see the end of this Kilkenny team.
They will be around for a long while yet.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 06/09/2016 13:02:27    1910667

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You can be sure Coady will go away over the winter and make things right. They don't become a bad team after one game. They were great champions and will be again probably before we will win it again. I like the way Mick Ryan is talking about next year already and about getting the feet back on the ground, players and supporters.

therealtmo (Tipperary) - Posts: 1292 - 06/09/2016 14:12:36    1910725

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