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Replying To TheMaster:  "Cavanagh has form for being provoked though. 2015 against Donegal he got sent off after getting provoked and picking up two daft yellows. If anything it is in the defenders interest to get the forward on a yellow. Cavanagh is a real leader on that Tyrone team and goes into everything 100%. Keegan gets him on a yellow he has to either pull back from tackles or else picks up another yellow.

He has form for provoking too though so I don't see your point. Furthermore Mayo are not donegal. The Sean Cavanagh who has regularly dived and/or jumped to the ground hold the defenders arm is the same Sean Cavanagh we are discussing here though. It is very much in his repertoire, so a blank refusal to entertain the possibility is simply unfair.
I don't see how the only conclusion can be that keegan was the instigator. All logic indicates that it was Cavanagh who had something to gain rather than keegan. You are being, at best, naïve and at worst, biased.

Master I'm yet to see a forward go out and target a defender to get him booked, it's always the other way around.
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You haven't watched much football then. The forward wants the defender booked so he has to be reserved in his tackling. Doing it to a good marker is an even bigger carrot for a team.
Colm Parkinson admitted to doing it against Cian O'sullivan a few days ago. I have actually seen far more of the forward trying to get the defender booked than the other way around. The forward is going to be in possession, it is in his interests that the defender cant tackle him. Keegan has been a target before also. Watch the Kerry semi where he got sent off, donnacha walsh and buckley try to get him to react because he is a big player for mayo, and he does. Good defenders get targeted the very same as good forwards."
sledging is rife in gaelic football especially at intercounty level, clearly evident by both sides in the dublin/donegal game and the amount of blocking of players runs especially by the "saviours of gaelic football" was dissapointing. Expect more of the same from kerry and dublin next weekend, tipp have a chance against mayo simply because mayo struggle to put teams away, I expect mayo to have the lions share of the ball. last hurrah for many of this mayo group. in an ideal world tipp will win and go on to take sam, expect mayo to win and calve again in the final........

totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 916 - 16/08/2016 14:50:59    1901851

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Clearly you don't remember that game. Kerry were only 1 point up and tyrone had a clear penalty not given..Just to refresh your memory

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv2PiESDLAo

kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts:115 - 15/08/2016 19:09:28

Not sure about that..close call alright but fair play to the ref for not bowing to pressure that usually happens when we have played the dubs in the last few years. Strong performance needed from Gough the next day

DancingSeany (UK) - Posts: 32 - 16/08/2016 15:23:54    1901889

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Replying To TheMaster:  "Cavanagh has form for being provoked though. 2015 against Donegal he got sent off after getting provoked and picking up two daft yellows. If anything it is in the defenders interest to get the forward on a yellow. Cavanagh is a real leader on that Tyrone team and goes into everything 100%. Keegan gets him on a yellow he has to either pull back from tackles or else picks up another yellow.

He has form for provoking too though so I don't see your point. Furthermore Mayo are not donegal. The Sean Cavanagh who has regularly dived and/or jumped to the ground hold the defenders arm is the same Sean Cavanagh we are discussing here though. It is very much in his repertoire, so a blank refusal to entertain the possibility is simply unfair.
I don't see how the only conclusion can be that keegan was the instigator. All logic indicates that it was Cavanagh who had something to gain rather than keegan. You are being, at best, naïve and at worst, biased.

Master I'm yet to see a forward go out and target a defender to get him booked, it's always the other way around.
gotmilk

You haven't watched much football then. The forward wants the defender booked so he has to be reserved in his tackling. Doing it to a good marker is an even bigger carrot for a team.
Colm Parkinson admitted to doing it against Cian O'sullivan a few days ago. I have actually seen far more of the forward trying to get the defender booked than the other way around. The forward is going to be in possession, it is in his interests that the defender cant tackle him. Keegan has been a target before also. Watch the Kerry semi where he got sent off, donnacha walsh and buckley try to get him to react because he is a big player for mayo, and he does. Good defenders get targeted the very same as good forwards."
Nah sorry Master I don't buy that for one second. Mayo have no shortage of good defenders, keegan can be taken off Cavanagh and boyle could be put on to him.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 16/08/2016 15:39:23    1901905

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Replying To gotmilk:  "
Replying To TheMaster:  "Cavanagh has form for being provoked though. 2015 against Donegal he got sent off after getting provoked and picking up two daft yellows. If anything it is in the defenders interest to get the forward on a yellow. Cavanagh is a real leader on that Tyrone team and goes into everything 100%. Keegan gets him on a yellow he has to either pull back from tackles or else picks up another yellow.

He has form for provoking too though so I don't see your point. Furthermore Mayo are not donegal. The Sean Cavanagh who has regularly dived and/or jumped to the ground hold the defenders arm is the same Sean Cavanagh we are discussing here though. It is very much in his repertoire, so a blank refusal to entertain the possibility is simply unfair.
I don't see how the only conclusion can be that keegan was the instigator. All logic indicates that it was Cavanagh who had something to gain rather than keegan. You are being, at best, naïve and at worst, biased.

Master I'm yet to see a forward go out and target a defender to get him booked, it's always the other way around.
gotmilk

You haven't watched much football then. The forward wants the defender booked so he has to be reserved in his tackling. Doing it to a good marker is an even bigger carrot for a team.
Colm Parkinson admitted to doing it against Cian O'sullivan a few days ago. I have actually seen far more of the forward trying to get the defender booked than the other way around. The forward is going to be in possession, it is in his interests that the defender cant tackle him. Keegan has been a target before also. Watch the Kerry semi where he got sent off, donnacha walsh and buckley try to get him to react because he is a big player for mayo, and he does. Good defenders get targeted the very same as good forwards."
Nah sorry Master I don't buy that for one second. Mayo have no shortage of good defenders, keegan can be taken off Cavanagh and boyle could be put on to him."
Boyle had his own job to do, plus he would be a bit too small for cavanagh. I could say tyrone have plenty good forwards too - as many as ourselves. Bottom line tyrone needed Cavanagh in the game. Mayo had negated him from it, he tried to undo that and it came back on him. No big deal, it happens, but please, spare me the sean the angel routine. He has that in his locker all day long.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 16/08/2016 16:26:17    1901940

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Replying To TheMaster:  "
Replying To gotmilk:  "[quote=TheMaster:  "Cavanagh has form for being provoked though. 2015 against Donegal he got sent off after getting provoked and picking up two daft yellows. If anything it is in the defenders interest to get the forward on a yellow. Cavanagh is a real leader on that Tyrone team and goes into everything 100%. Keegan gets him on a yellow he has to either pull back from tackles or else picks up another yellow.

He has form for provoking too though so I don't see your point. Furthermore Mayo are not donegal. The Sean Cavanagh who has regularly dived and/or jumped to the ground hold the defenders arm is the same Sean Cavanagh we are discussing here though. It is very much in his repertoire, so a blank refusal to entertain the possibility is simply unfair.
I don't see how the only conclusion can be that keegan was the instigator. All logic indicates that it was Cavanagh who had something to gain rather than keegan. You are being, at best, naïve and at worst, biased.

Master I'm yet to see a forward go out and target a defender to get him booked, it's always the other way around.
gotmilk

You haven't watched much football then. The forward wants the defender booked so he has to be reserved in his tackling. Doing it to a good marker is an even bigger carrot for a team.
Colm Parkinson admitted to doing it against Cian O'sullivan a few days ago. I have actually seen far more of the forward trying to get the defender booked than the other way around. The forward is going to be in possession, it is in his interests that the defender cant tackle him. Keegan has been a target before also. Watch the Kerry semi where he got sent off, donnacha walsh and buckley try to get him to react because he is a big player for mayo, and he does. Good defenders get targeted the very same as good forwards."
Nah sorry Master I don't buy that for one second. Mayo have no shortage of good defenders, keegan can be taken off Cavanagh and boyle could be put on to him."
Boyle had his own job to do, plus he would be a bit too small for cavanagh. I could say tyrone have plenty good forwards too - as many as ourselves. Bottom line tyrone needed Cavanagh in the game. Mayo had negated him from it, he tried to undo that and it came back on him. No big deal, it happens, but please, spare me the sean the angel routine. He has that in his locker all day long."]I'm not playing sean the angel here. He has a nasty side to him but I don't see why he would go out to target Keegan, it doesn't benefit him.

By the way I don't see how you can say Tyrone have plenty of other good forwards. If they had any in the Quarter final we would be looking forward to a tipp tyrone semi.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 16/08/2016 16:52:23    1901956

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Of course it benefits him. Keegan is marking him out of it. He cant get into the game. Keegan gets a card and he doesn't, then tyrone get onto keegan, like tyrone do, and mayo need to change keegan off Cavanagh, which allows him get into the game.

Keegan is on top, winning the duel, how it is going is perfect for him. What has he to gain that he already doesn't have?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 16/08/2016 17:15:54    1901974

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Replying To TheMaster:  "Of course it benefits him. Keegan is marking him out of it. He cant get into the game. Keegan gets a card and he doesn't, then tyrone get onto keegan, like tyrone do, and mayo need to change keegan off Cavanagh, which allows him get into the game.

Keegan is on top, winning the duel, how it is going is perfect for him. What has he to gain that he already doesn't have?"
Keegan is winning the duel but I wouldn't say he was destroying him. Probably 55/45 60/40 at the most in his favour. Diarmuid Connolly only had one point from play last year when Keegan took it upon himself to take him out of the game but yet he done it. I don't fault Keegan for the connolly incident. I don't know for definite what happened with Keegan and Cavanagh but I don't see why Cavanagh would go out to do it. He knows himself that he goes into every tackle 110% and always runs the risk of giving away the foul so why would he risk picking up a yellow when he knows refs always give two yellows when ever there is a wrestling match?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 16/08/2016 19:53:48    1902016

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