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Replying To hill16no1man: "Rubbish whats manly about degrading somebody?
It's a sport we are playing and its not allowed in the rules.
there's a black card offence.
Mulligan talking rubbish, what about his old team mate Sean cavanagh he didn't react at all he let the guy throw him to the ground and let him hold him down by the neck and what good did it do him? He got the exact same punishment as the guy who did it to him.
so sometimes by doing nothing at all you still get punished" Sean Cavanagh came out after half time and shouldered keegan from behind unprovoked. Keegan reacted then so 2 yellows was the right call. Read Tomas O Se's article in the independent today. Just move on from it.
MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 420 - 13/08/2016 21:59:44
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Thankfully colm has cleared up the issue of sledging and blocking in this article
http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/colm-orourke-if-you-cant-stand-the-heat-then-get-out-of-the-kitchen-34963255.html
According to him blocking a players run is within the rules. Silly me I thought it was a black card offence.
kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 15/08/2016 13:00:45
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Replying To MayoDan: "Sean Cavanagh came out after half time and shouldered keegan from behind unprovoked. Keegan reacted then so 2 yellows was the right call. Read Tomas O Se's article in the independent today. Just move on from it." Would agree with a lot of that except the "unprovoked" bit
benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 15/08/2016 13:23:28
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Replying To Killarney.87: "No it's not. It's supposed to be an alternative title for this thread.
It's kinda like if you said Rugby I think New Zealand, football I think Brazil, sledging and blocking I immediately think Tyrone." And when it comes to silly posts it's Killarne87 i immediately think off - I think your fixation in getting boot into Ulster teams particularly Tyrone is pathetic to be honest.
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 15/08/2016 13:49:25
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Everyone should follow my proud county's example. We are the only top team who dont sledge or block to the same level as the likes of Tyrone and the dubs at the moment even though some confused folk on here claim we do and pick one or two isolated examples down through the years as proof. Most Kerry games are on TV so given the amount of games shown there are always going to be incidents but we are not anywhere near some of the ulster boys and Dublin with this shameful carry on.
Tyrone brought it to an extreme level in the noughties and since it was their only bit of success for years and everyone outside Kerry were supporting them then a blind eye was turned. Dublin are nearly just as bad at the moment but they do this carry on in a more sly way and with the majority of support in croke park for the dubs in every game its very rare in recent years for refs to punish them for it.
Fans of these teams will have every excuse under the sun but everyone knows who takes part in this sort of carry on.
Hopefully gough will give us a fair share of the calls on the 28th..even 40/60 against would be ok. Donaghy and Gooch need to be protected by the ref and umpires, linesman etc as it can be difficult to spot this behaviour and the dubs are very crafty at it. God knows its about time we got a few calls in our favour in a big game in croker.
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Replying To DancingSeany: "Everyone should follow my proud county's example. We are the only top team who dont sledge or block to the same level as the likes of Tyrone and the dubs at the moment even though some confused folk on here claim we do and pick one or two isolated examples down through the years as proof. Most Kerry games are on TV so given the amount of games shown there are always going to be incidents but we are not anywhere near some of the ulster boys and Dublin with this shameful carry on.
Tyrone brought it to an extreme level in the noughties and since it was their only bit of success for years and everyone outside Kerry were supporting them then a blind eye was turned. Dublin are nearly just as bad at the moment but they do this carry on in a more sly way and with the majority of support in croke park for the dubs in every game its very rare in recent years for refs to punish them for it.
Fans of these teams will have every excuse under the sun but everyone knows who takes part in this sort of carry on.
Hopefully gough will give us a fair share of the calls on the 28th..even 40/60 against would be ok. Donaghy and Gooch need to be protected by the ref and umpires, linesman etc as it can be difficult to spot this behaviour and the dubs are very crafty at it. God knows its about time we got a few calls in our favour in a big game in croker." You must have a short memory. Kerry got most of the calls in croke park last year against Tyrone, most noticeably a penalty that wasn't given.
kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 15/08/2016 15:41:53
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Replying To DancingSeany: "Everyone should follow my proud county's example. We are the only top team who dont sledge or block to the same level as the likes of Tyrone and the dubs at the moment even though some confused folk on here claim we do and pick one or two isolated examples down through the years as proof. Most Kerry games are on TV so given the amount of games shown there are always going to be incidents but we are not anywhere near some of the ulster boys and Dublin with this shameful carry on.
Tyrone brought it to an extreme level in the noughties and since it was their only bit of success for years and everyone outside Kerry were supporting them then a blind eye was turned. Dublin are nearly just as bad at the moment but they do this carry on in a more sly way and with the majority of support in croke park for the dubs in every game its very rare in recent years for refs to punish them for it.
Fans of these teams will have every excuse under the sun but everyone knows who takes part in this sort of carry on.
Hopefully gough will give us a fair share of the calls on the 28th..even 40/60 against would be ok. Donaghy and Gooch need to be protected by the ref and umpires, linesman etc as it can be difficult to spot this behaviour and the dubs are very crafty at it. God knows its about time we got a few calls in our favour in a big game in croker." You need better bait, i would be surprised if anyone gets pulled into this bit of fishing.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 15/08/2016 16:07:05
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Replying To benched: "Would agree with a lot of that except the "unprovoked" bit" Can you clear up how exactly he was provoked then? It is easy to make these cryptic comments, but they don't really prove anything. Give us the actual detail.
Here is what I seen.
Cavanagh initiated the physical altercation, both men got deserved yellow cards.
However, does it not seem strange that after a first half of not getting a kick, he comes straight out and starts getting stuck into his marker even before the throw in, yet it is keegan who ships the blame? Why does keegan want to be wrestling with him, when he is winning the duel hands down? It is Cavanagh that needs to shake things up, not keegan.
My own personal opinion is that is wholly likely that Cavanagh was following instruction delved out at half time, to get keegan - a player known to give a reaction - booked early in the half, so mayo would have to put someone else on cavanagh. (Which would make harte's comments afterwards even more ridiculous)
TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 15/08/2016 17:03:56
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You must have a short memory. Kerry got most of the calls in croke park last year against Tyrone, most noticeably a penalty that wasn't given.
kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts:114 - 15/08/2016 15:41:53
Kerry never looked liked losing that game and sure wasnt the bad weather worth a few points to ye given that our natural skills were not showcased fully with the slippery conditions.
About time a call went our way in a big game..long overdue.
We are due a big favour again on the 28th as the refs have punished us severly in the last few defeats to the dubs. Hopefully all the pulling and dragging on Donaghy will be spotted by this time.
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Mayo and Tipp are such a novel pairing on Sunday that it's probably going to be hard for our lads to really say anything to get under their skins. Any chance the Tyrone u21's could give us few windups to reuse from last year... I'm sure the Tipp lads will have forgotten them by now!
Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 15/08/2016 18:17:35
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Replying To DancingSeany: "You must have a short memory. Kerry got most of the calls in croke park last year against Tyrone, most noticeably a penalty that wasn't given.
kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts:114 - 15/08/2016 15:41:53
Kerry never looked liked losing that game and sure wasnt the bad weather worth a few points to ye given that our natural skills were not showcased fully with the slippery conditions.
About time a call went our way in a big game..long overdue.
We are due a big favour again on the 28th as the refs have punished us severly in the last few defeats to the dubs. Hopefully all the pulling and dragging on Donaghy will be spotted by this time." Clearly you don't remember that game. Kerry were only 1 point up and tyrone had a clear penalty not given..Just to refresh your memory
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv2PiESDLAo
kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 15/08/2016 19:09:28
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Replying To IrishGael3: "And when it comes to silly posts it's Killarne87 i immediately think off - I think your fixation in getting boot into Ulster teams particularly Tyrone is pathetic to be honest." Go on, if in doubt play the 'Southern boys don't like Ulster' card. For the last time I have nothing Against 8 of the Ulster teams and well you know it. So don't start the rallying call for help from Ulster posters on here when the truth offends you.
In your opinion all my posts are silly. I respect your opinion but I obviously don't agree that all my posts are silly. Don't get me wrong I am far from perfect just like everyone else but I am just as much entitled to my opinion as you are to yours.
Tyrone's behaviour last year across all three grades was disgusting. I'm sure when you were growing up they were whiter than white but I'm afraid things have changed.
You'll be glad to know I won't be posting on here anymore so you won't be inconvenienced by my silly comments.
I only replied to this comment to defend myself against false and inaccurate claims.
Antrim Abu, Armagh Abu, Cavan Abu, Derry Abu, Donegal Abu, Down abu, Fermanagh abu, Monaghan abu, Tyrone sort it out its gone beyond embarrassing at this stage.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 15/08/2016 21:09:29
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I get the gist of what O' Rourke is saying in that article and I have to say I agree with him. I'm getting fed up with all the moral campaigning going on with some pundits and even some on this forum. From now on I'm gonna embrace the dark and light together in their entirety when it comes to my team. No point in complaining only when your sinned against and not when you're the sinner. Like O'Rourke said its being going on forever,it's not new this year or last year or in the last 10 years,like some would try to have us believe. It's become a stick to beat some teams with for no other reason than who they are. Keegan did a job on Cavanagh and did it well. I didn't like it but I'd expect Tyrones man markers to do as well when they're doing a marking job on an opposition player. It's up to refs to officiate with consistency and fairness,which they are not doing in the whole.
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Replying To Killarney.87: "Tyrone" Some kingdom fans will never get over the lessons taught to them in the noughties when they were soundly beaten in an all Ireland semi final and 2 finals by teams that were great in every sense of the word and showed no fear of Kerry.
seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 16/08/2016 00:45:23
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Replying To Killarney.87: "Go on, if in doubt play the 'Southern boys don't like Ulster' card. For the last time I have nothing Against 8 of the Ulster teams and well you know it. So don't start the rallying call for help from Ulster posters on here when the truth offends you.
In your opinion all my posts are silly. I respect your opinion but I obviously don't agree that all my posts are silly. Don't get me wrong I am far from perfect just like everyone else but I am just as much entitled to my opinion as you are to yours.
Tyrone's behaviour last year across all three grades was disgusting. I'm sure when you were growing up they were whiter than white but I'm afraid things have changed.
You'll be glad to know I won't be posting on here anymore so you won't be inconvenienced by my silly comments.
I only replied to this comment to defend myself against false and inaccurate claims.
Antrim Abu, Armagh Abu, Cavan Abu, Derry Abu, Donegal Abu, Down abu, Fermanagh abu, Monaghan abu, Tyrone sort it out its gone beyond embarrassing at this stage." Get over yourself for Gods sake - you with a few other band of immature posters are consistently pointing the finger at Tyrone for things other teams are also doing and doing for a long time - Tyrone are a county I really respect as they took on the establishment in the Noughties and had no fear of them and won 3 all Ireland's - prior to that they have been to 2 finals and a number of semis where they went to Croker with nice footballers and got handed brutal lessons in the arts of cynicism - I remember the 86 final when the beautiful Kerry team had Eugene McKenna and John Lynch taken out of the game - all Tyrone have done is get with the programme and learnt their lessons. Obviously some people like you don't like that and that's tough but for the rest of us proper Gaels I embrace competition and the more the merrier in my opinion. So lock yourself in a room and beat yourself up all you want about Tyrone but give us a break on these forums.
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 16/08/2016 11:03:41
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Replying To TheMaster: "Can you clear up how exactly he was provoked then? It is easy to make these cryptic comments, but they don't really prove anything. Give us the actual detail.
Here is what I seen.
Cavanagh initiated the physical altercation, both men got deserved yellow cards.
However, does it not seem strange that after a first half of not getting a kick, he comes straight out and starts getting stuck into his marker even before the throw in, yet it is keegan who ships the blame? Why does keegan want to be wrestling with him, when he is winning the duel hands down? It is Cavanagh that needs to shake things up, not keegan.
My own personal opinion is that is wholly likely that Cavanagh was following instruction delved out at half time, to get keegan - a player known to give a reaction - booked early in the half, so mayo would have to put someone else on cavanagh. (Which would make harte's comments afterwards even more ridiculous)" My own personal opinion is that is wholly likely that Cavanagh was following instruction delved out at half time, to get keegan - a player known to give a reaction - booked early in the half
You in the dressing room at half time?
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Replying To gotmilk: "My own personal opinion is that is wholly likely that Cavanagh was following instruction delved out at half time, to get keegan - a player known to give a reaction - booked early in the half
You in the dressing room at half time?" No. That is why I said it was my own personal opinion.
That to me is the most likely possibility of the entire charade. Cavanagh instigates the tussle, but when keegan reacts he seems more interested in hitting the deck with keegan on top of him than actually following through with what he started. Just watch the thing, he gets Cavanagh down very easily, and Cavanagh is the bigger guy. I think cavanagh contrived it to upset mayos gameplan by getting keegan booked, the second yellow just scuppered his plan. Like since when does the defender get the forward a card, especially when he is on top? It is the forward who gets the defender a card. Keegan had nothing to gain from wrestling around, he was winning the duel hands down. Just think about the thing logically instead of rushing to react. Cavanagh and tyrone were the ones who needed to upset the applecart.
Don't get me wrong, keegan isn't an angel or something. But just view the incident in isolation and ignore the rhetoric coming from harte - Cavanagh tried to play the man (something tyrone do all the time and are adept at) because his team needed him in the game and his marker was keeping him out of it, it just blew up in his face. It isn't something I hold against Cavanagh btw, it is just people seem to not be able to see this angle, which is to me the most likely one.
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Replying To TheMaster: " Replying To gotmilk: "My own personal opinion is that is wholly likely that Cavanagh was following instruction delved out at half time, to get keegan - a player known to give a reaction - booked early in the half
You in the dressing room at half time?" No. That is why I said it was my own personal opinion. That to me is the most likely possibility of the entire charade. Cavanagh instigates the tussle, but when keegan reacts he seems more interested in hitting the deck with keegan on top of him than actually following through with what he started. Just watch the thing, he gets Cavanagh down very easily, and Cavanagh is the bigger guy. I think cavanagh contrived it to upset mayos gameplan by getting keegan booked, the second yellow just scuppered his plan. Like since when does the defender get the forward a card, especially when he is on top? It is the forward who gets the defender a card. Keegan had nothing to gain from wrestling around, he was winning the duel hands down. Just think about the thing logically instead of rushing to react. Cavanagh and tyrone were the ones who needed to upset the applecart. Don't get me wrong, keegan isn't an angel or something. But just view the incident in isolation and ignore the rhetoric coming from harte - Cavanagh tried to play the man (something tyrone do all the time and are adept at) because his team needed him in the game and his marker was keeping him out of it, it just blew up in his face. It isn't something I hold against Cavanagh btw, it is just people seem to not be able to see this angle, which is to me the most likely one."
Master I'm yet to see a forward go out and target a defender to get him booked, it's always the other way around.
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Replying To gotmilk: " Replying To TheMaster: "[quote=gotmilk: "My own personal opinion is that is wholly likely that Cavanagh was following instruction delved out at half time, to get keegan - a player known to give a reaction - booked early in the half
You in the dressing room at half time?" No. That is why I said it was my own personal opinion. That to me is the most likely possibility of the entire charade. Cavanagh instigates the tussle, but when keegan reacts he seems more interested in hitting the deck with keegan on top of him than actually following through with what he started. Just watch the thing, he gets Cavanagh down very easily, and Cavanagh is the bigger guy. I think cavanagh contrived it to upset mayos gameplan by getting keegan booked, the second yellow just scuppered his plan. Like since when does the defender get the forward a card, especially when he is on top? It is the forward who gets the defender a card. Keegan had nothing to gain from wrestling around, he was winning the duel hands down. Just think about the thing logically instead of rushing to react. Cavanagh and tyrone were the ones who needed to upset the applecart. Don't get me wrong, keegan isn't an angel or something. But just view the incident in isolation and ignore the rhetoric coming from harte - Cavanagh tried to play the man (something tyrone do all the time and are adept at) because his team needed him in the game and his marker was keeping him out of it, it just blew up in his face. It isn't something I hold against Cavanagh btw, it is just people seem to not be able to see this angle, which is to me the most likely one."
Master I'm yet to see a forward go out and target a defender to get him booked, it's always the other way around."]So we're in agreement then.
Cavanagh targeted Keegan with the aim of getting him on a yellow card so he wouldn't be so tightly marked. It didn't work however as Keegan went on to kick 2 points in the 2nd half and Cavanagh lost his discipline and got the line.
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Cavanagh has form for being provoked though. 2015 against Donegal he got sent off after getting provoked and picking up two daft yellows. If anything it is in the defenders interest to get the forward on a yellow. Cavanagh is a real leader on that Tyrone team and goes into everything 100%. Keegan gets him on a yellow he has to either pull back from tackles or else picks up another yellow.
He has form for provoking too though so I don't see your point. Furthermore Mayo are not donegal. The Sean Cavanagh who has regularly dived and/or jumped to the ground hold the defenders arm is the same Sean Cavanagh we are discussing here though. It is very much in his repertoire, so a blank refusal to entertain the possibility is simply unfair.
I don't see how the only conclusion can be that keegan was the instigator. All logic indicates that it was Cavanagh who had something to gain rather than keegan. You are being, at best, naïve and at worst, biased.
Master I'm yet to see a forward go out and target a defender to get him booked, it's always the other way around.
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You haven't watched much football then. The forward wants the defender booked so he has to be reserved in his tackling. Doing it to a good marker is an even bigger carrot for a team.
Colm Parkinson admitted to doing it against Cian O'sullivan a few days ago. I have actually seen far more of the forward trying to get the defender booked than the other way around. The forward is going to be in possession, it is in his interests that the defender cant tackle him. Keegan has been a target before also. Watch the Kerry semi where he got sent off, donnacha walsh and buckley try to get him to react because he is a big player for mayo, and he does. Good defenders get targeted the very same as good forwards.
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