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Tyrone were unlucky possibly although I thought that they were poor enough in the second half on Sat. The bench got in wrong with 5 to go leaving 15 men planted in their own 45 when chasing the game. It's the first time I had seen them in the flesh this year and I was wondering what the fuss was all about. Mayo were there for the taking Tyrone did well in the league only losing 1 or 2 games I think and this is probably where the hype was coming from but the opposition is dire in the second tier. I still think they are Ulster's best chance next year though. A lot of fuss was being made about Cavan but they didn't surface. Monaghan seem to have faded, poor in the league, beaten by Longford in the championship. Donegal look like they are declining. The system has been debunked, key players have aged and 1-2 from play is poor in a 1/4 final. They still have good individual players so may just need to tweak the system, bring on a couple of young fellas and they were unlucky to draw Dublin. Overall i would say Tyrone are probably the best prospect from Ulster next year. Will be intetesting to see their Div 1 league form. Donegal may need a year to regroup and Monaghan will have to prove that they are the real deal. In terms on national standings, I think it's Dublin, Kerry, Mayo and probably Tyrone but fair gap between top 3 and Tyrone despite only losing by 1 point to Mayo. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 09/08/2016 21:54:36 1899140 Link 0 |
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I agree Legendzxix, whilst your post mentions this season is doesn't do it in the same mocking way as others who have been on here. It is just the latest in a long line of similar threads that is irritating. It is irritating. A number of the counties in Ulster are making great strides to get themselves competitive. Monaghan winning 2 Ulsters, Cavan and Fermanagh getting to quarter finals recently. Cavan getting promoted. Fermanagh in division 2. For these counties to then be getting mocked for losing just reeks of a typical Irish let's knock people down mentality. It's not nice to see. Nobody will be on here next year laughing if Clare or Tipperary face early exits (I hope they don't I love seeing new blood come through and want to see it be maintained), those counties have had similar seasons this year to the likes of Cavan and Fermanagh's recent season. For some reason it's ok though if it's an Ulster team that is on the receiving end of it. I do agree league and championship are completely different beasts. If there's one thing I hope comes out of this season, it's that Ulster teams move away from their ultra defensive game plans and get back playing proper championship football. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 09/08/2016 22:04:14 1899151 Link 0 |
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I'd consider Dublin, Kerry and Mayo to be the big 3 just now. They have been dominant in their provinces this decade and consistent semifinalists. Of course this could, and probably will, all change in the coming years with any of the 3 slipping back or preferably other counties joining them to make a big 4/5/6. As Tyrone only appeared in their first provincial final in 6 years this year I don't think they can yet be put in the top group. They also came into Saturdays game with ideal preparation but were beaten by a Mayo side still quite a way off the standard they have been setting for themselves in recent years. Tyrone and Donegal are among those best placed to join the big 3 though. I'm surprised you have completely discounted Monaghan given their recent successes in Ulster.
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 09/08/2016 22:06:24 1899155 Link 0 |
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KYTitletown, no harm but I feel we had a great year (Tyrone); there were 5 trophies up for grabs for Tyrone and they came home with four of them. Not a bad season in my book. Then again it seems to you that unless you go up the road with Sam you've had a bad season. Personally the success of the province doesn't do it for me anyway as I get more joy from the success of my own county. Too many people on here getting dragged into this "most successful province" malarkey. I guarantee each would love to see every other team in their province stuffed if it meant their own country won the main event. Checkers (UK) - Posts: 24 - 10/08/2016 07:47:35 1899207 Link 1 |
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As regards Tipp even if they were playing in Ulster I doubt if they could win an Ulster championship. When did they last beat Kerry in the championship. At least Donegal and Tyrone did. No matter what people say TWO of the top five teams are in Ulster legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 10/08/2016 08:19:36 1899210 Link 1 |
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Oh I agree with you and of course if Tyrone had played Clare and Kerry had played Mayo, ye would be in the semis now and we would be out. Tyrone are a 'Big 3' team and just happened to draw another 'Big 3' team. To be honest I'd have rather played Mayo and lose rather get obliterated by the Blue Juggernaut Nobody is arguing that Munster is a Juggernaut province all of a sudden, it just isn't the joke it's made out to be as Tipperary's performances have shown. KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 10/08/2016 11:19:57 1899305 Link 0 |
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I think the problem arises from the fact that Kerry are a very strong footballing county that can produce year after year and regardless of what many think, if they where playing in the Ulster championship they'd win more than they'd lose. Yes it would be tougher but they are still one of the top teams in the country and it seems will always be. Regarding Tipp and Clare, Its great to see other counties entering the mix of contenders, the more the merrier. In the past few years we've seen the emergence of Monaghan, Cavan, Roscommon, Tipp, Clare and Galway to a certain extend; counties that have been quiet on the footballing front but are now/back mixing it with the best of them, Yes, they are not quite there but are in a-hell-of-a-lot better place that say 5 years ago. Long may it continue Checkers (UK) - Posts: 24 - 10/08/2016 12:02:45 1899328 Link 0 |
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I don't believe in seeding..... cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1676 - 10/08/2016 12:26:40 1899342 Link 0 |
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The same seeding really worked out well for Cork! Kerry don't always made provincial finals. Tyrone and Kerry both have good records of negotiating the qualifiers when they have to. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 10/08/2016 13:52:04 1899394 Link 0 |
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Hits the nail on the head.
Knoxboya (Monaghan) - Posts: 357 - 10/08/2016 19:53:36 1899603 Link 0 |
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I do agree that Ulster has went back a little. TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 10/08/2016 22:07:18 1899666 Link 0 |
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I'd agree with that analysis. Very little between the 4 main challengers. I'd say Kerry and Mayo probably a little bit ahead of Tyrone and Donegal but they're closer to them than they are to Dublin. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 10/08/2016 22:24:51 1899671 Link 0 |