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Guys can I get an opinion on this
I hear a lot about supporting the club player but in reality is there any support
I know of a club in Meath that in March requested a free weekend for the 12 tj of August and confirmed it in June with the cccc 12 of the first team are due to fly out this Friday but the county board have fixed a game for Sunday
The club has tried to the the game changed with no success and will be forced to play a bit part team when a win would put them in the 1/4 final
Personally I think this shows a total disrespect to the club players who have trained hard since January and are expected to give up€400 they paid because the CB won't change one game
What can club players do
Bomber26 (Meath) - Posts:4 - 08/08/2016 08:54:12What would you propose as a solution? It is very unfair on the club but unless the players and clubs do something drastic then nothing will change. It is disrespectful but how do you propose for change?
But at the same time how often do you have complaints about club players not getting game time in the middle of summer especially in championship/big games
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 09/08/2016 19:56:13
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last Friday week, the day before Cork played Donegal, Peadar Healy decided to add Kieran Histon to the Cork squad. It was this lad first time on the squad since we played Donegal in the league (in February). he had been on the under 21s and the Cork junior team throughout the year. There were no injuries to any players and no indication that he would be brought onto the team.
His club, Cobh, were down to play their county final on the very same day. Because of a whim from the manager, all other Cobh players supporters and managers as well as their opponents (Ballyhooly) were nonchalantly told 24 hours before the game that their big day (the county final) was being cancelled so a player could watch a game in Croke Park. It is ridiculous and shows what respect our management have for clubs (the county board support them).
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts:3258 - 08/08/2016 15:30:53He could have been needed for Cork squad... He may have got game time and game didn't have to be cancelled because he was with Cork team even if it was a county final.
No respect for clubs Benny. I'm sure lads had to travel from Dublin, abroad etc? Why was a county final organised the same day as intercounty game?
I have family and friends who play football in Clare and county board show Clare football no respect. They wouldn't move a round of club fixtures on the bank holiday Monday. Clare played on the Sunday so lads couldn't stay around in Dublin sunday morning with a game the following day. The Clare country board regularly organises championship on Sunday evenings. This is unfair on lads who live in Galway, Cork, Dublin who 3,4 hours that night and get up for work the following morning. Nobody cares about the welfare of club players. Wait around 3 months to play a match and competition is blitzed off in a couple weeks
Gael85 (Dublin) - Posts:1227 - 08/08/2016 15:52:52I assume a county final was on same day as an inter county game as there is only so many days you can play games and you cant postpone games for any old reason
Just because one club requests a weekend off that would mean all clubs would suffer. It is not possible to have a free weekend in August. If players were committed to there club they would have stayed around.
mrfox (Wexford) - Posts:154 - 08/08/2016 16:40:37But if a club puts in a request very early on they should be accommodated as that's good management and easy to do.
Until the clubs form a national body nothing will change - the sooner the do that the better
browncows (Meath) - Posts:1097 - 09/08/2016 01:09:14The clubs don't need to form a national body they already make up the county boards and congress and send delegates to each. They need to use the strands of power already open to them within the GAA much better and efficiently.
If Tipp were to win both semi finals, there wouldn't be a club game played in the county till near October and thats having played their last match 6 weeks ago. Then they'll expect the same players that are wrapped in cotton wool all year to play 2 matches a week.
Then to really rub salt in the wounds of clubs players, the GAA show what and who they care about, they want to have more county matches with this round robin format at instead of quarter finals.
Joe_Bloggs (Tipperary) - Posts:90 - 09/08/2016 13:31:12Clubs also have to be better at looking to play games and not postpone games for any old reason at all like so many do all too often. If tipp win both semis there will be club games played before the finals if clubs really want them to as there is enough of a time gap for games.
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 09/08/2016 19:56:23
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Replying To mrfox: "When could it have been played. With the movement of the Wexford v dub and wex v Kildare match forward this caused delays in championship already. Over the last couple of years there has always been a weekend off directly after the last county senior team are knocked out. This did not happen this year club hurlin chamionship was played straight away after Waterford bet us. One club cant hold up the championship because of a wedding of someone who is not even playing with them." they could have played it in april/may,1 more round at the start was hardly going to matter that much?if they had wanted to find a date they could have,dont give us that crap mrfox that they could not find 1 date in 250 to suit.i agree with pinkie here,dreadful form by our county board.
where there is a will there is a way,but unfortunately in the gaa when it comes to the dinasaurs in county boards they think everybody should just sit quietly by in the summer and then jump when they are ready.
this sort of thing is going to happen more and more and until the gaa condense the inter county game and give the clubs a set of fixtures which people can plan around,then dont expect people to put their lives on hold for the gaa.
the times they are a changin,the gaa needs to get with the tune.
perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 09/08/2016 20:10:12
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Replying To Soma: "I presume the player was asked onto the Cork panel and had the right to turn down the invitation? Had he said no would the club final have gone ahead and would he have been allowed to play in it?" Of course. Nobody, literally, has a gun held to their head. Theoretically, he had every right to refuse to join the squad.
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 09/08/2016 20:48:03
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Replying To bennybunny: "Of course. Nobody, literally, has a gun held to their head. Theoretically, he had every right to refuse to join the squad." They tried to introduce a rule here that if you refused to play for the county you would be suspended for club games (similar to international soccer). For obvious reasons it was never enacted. I presume this rule is not in place in Cork? Therefore the player had the option of joining the county panel or refusing so the club final could go ahead, and he decided to join the county panel?
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 09/08/2016 20:54:43
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Replying To Soma: " Replying To bennybunny: "Of course. Nobody, literally, has a gun held to their head. Theoretically, he had every right to refuse to join the squad." They tried to introduce a rule here that if you refused to play for the county you would be suspended for club games (similar to international soccer). For obvious reasons it was never enacted. I presume this rule is not in place in Cork? Therefore the player had the option of joining the county panel or refusing so the club final could go ahead, and he decided to join the county panel?"
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 09/08/2016 21:30:18
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Replying To perfect10: "they could have played it in april/may,1 more round at the start was hardly going to matter that much?if they had wanted to find a date they could have,dont give us that crap mrfox that they could not find 1 date in 250 to suit.i agree with pinkie here,dreadful form by our county board.
where there is a will there is a way,but unfortunately in the gaa when it comes to the dinasaurs in county boards they think everybody should just sit quietly by in the summer and then jump when they are ready.
this sort of thing is going to happen more and more and until the gaa condense the inter county game and give the clubs a set of fixtures which people can plan around,then dont expect people to put their lives on hold for the gaa.
the times they are a changin,the gaa needs to get with the tune." There was rounds of championship already on in April and may. One round of hurling was played when the county team were on a training camp in Athlone. If any weekend was free that should of been the wend. There was also a round of championship the week before leaving started which has never happened in over 20 years. My main point is that if this was done for one club there would be requests every year from clubs. This is not even a current player of the team. Any club in wexford thats thinks they are going to get a free wend from championship in august is deluded.
mrfox (Wexford) - Posts: 338 - 09/08/2016 23:14:24
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Clubs also have to be better at looking to play games and not postpone games for any old reason at all like so many do all too often. If tipp win both semis there will be club games played before the finals if clubs really want them to as there is enough of a time gap for games.
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:11631 - 09/08/2016 19:56:23
Of course clubs want them to be played, well mine does anyway. We always want games to be played but if Michael Ryan doesnt, the county board will cancel them at the drop of a hat. There is not a hope of games being played before the All Ireland finals if it was to happen though, if Michael Ryan wants them off, they will be off, although for once hes within his right to (no club games 20 days before All Ireland finals). And if he wants to flog players the week after they play Munster championship, in the run up to important club games, hes allowed to do that too. Its disgraceful what hes allowed to get away with in Tipperary.
Joe_Bloggs (Tipperary) - Posts: 186 - 10/08/2016 09:12:47
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What's the view on the situation in Tipperary with clubs being thrown out of the championship? From what i have read I think the county board are dead right, it's time they took a hard line on this for the sake of all club players.
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 10/08/2016 12:16:45
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Replying To Soma: "What's the view on the situation in Tipperary with clubs being thrown out of the championship? From what i have read I think the county board are dead right, it's time they took a hard line on this for the sake of all club players." I absolutely agree.
The games have to get played. People complain when club activities are held up for the county team. These fixtures fell outside the 13 day window, so there should be no problem with them being fixed.
I can understand those on the football panel wanting to give the semi-final their best lash but if they make that decision they should know it affects their club.
This was regional championship also not all county championship. Surely teams can field without county players for regional championship.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4244 - 10/08/2016 12:35:50
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Replying To Bomber26: "Guys can I get an opinion on this
I hear a lot about supporting the club player but in reality is there any support
I know of a club in Meath that in March requested a free weekend for the 12 tj of August and confirmed it in June with the cccc 12 of the first team are due to fly out this Friday but the county board have fixed a game for Sunday
The club has tried to the the game changed with no success and will be forced to play a bit part team when a win would put them in the 1/4 final
Personally I think this shows a total disrespect to the club players who have trained hard since January and are expected to give up€400 they paid because the CB won't change one game
What can club players do" Its the last round of the Junior Championship 3 games in one Division have to be played together. Planner is out since early July. Everyone knows in Meath that its Championship pel mel once August comes in. Why should the other 5 clubs just get there game called off cos a bunch of lads want to drink there heads off.
numberedjerseys (USA) - Posts: 348 - 10/08/2016 18:00:54
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