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You would have to laugh at these umpire heads.Half the time they can't see a thing when it's happening in front of them and then they have a fella sent off by incorrectly calling the refs atttention to sometging that didn't happen and was further out the field. Players sacrificing too much these days to be getting this level of disrespect.Absolute gombeenism. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 07/08/2016 11:42:44 1897237 Link
Replying To hill16no1man: "murphy and donaghy are two players who get away with this all year. i seen plenty occasions both players come in with high tackles with fist closed and yellow is most they recieve. the problem with o gara is that he gets so much attention off the ball and the umpires never bring it to the attention of the ref to card them. he came on against laois and the entire time the ball was nowhere near him the laois player had his hands on him or pushing him or holding him while he was mouthing at him. theres a black card there for verbally abusing a player why the umpires refuse to go by that rule is very poor. o gara card should be rescinded as the ref when sending him off signalled a closed fist under arm punch, which was clearly not what he did so therefore the umpire informed the ref incorrectly of the incident that took place meaning he sent him off for the wrong reason." That sums up those two operators perfectly, it is an integral part of their game and it is facilitated by poor officials. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 07/08/2016 11:46:40 1897238 Link
DL and Hill, agree with both if you. Yes DL you're right, a lot of players mouth and that's accepted. Clearly Connolly was targeted for exceptional treatment. I watched him from the off around halfway line and within seconds of the throw-in he was receiving verbals, took a punch and nearly had his shirt ripped off his back. The Donegal player even kept his back to play so that he could continue mouthing in Connolly's face. Mayo did it to him last year and we had Westmeath doing it this year. What is the job of linesmen and umpires when refs cannot see this going on? Maybe a second ref is the solution. And yes Philly is not one to keep his mouth shut either so I'm not saying Dublin don't engage in this either. Just thought we saw a different level in deliberate attemts to get Connolly sent off. And you know, it worked! Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 07/08/2016 11:48:42 1897241 Link
O'Gara's red card an injustice and should be rescinded as soon as possible. Diarmuid Connolly is letting his team down and he does not seem to realize it. fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 07/08/2016 12:03:10 1897252 Link
Replying To Joxer: "DL and Hill, agree with both if you. Yes DL you're right, a lot of players mouth and that's accepted. Clearly Connolly was targeted for exceptional treatment. I watched him from the off around halfway line and within seconds of the throw-in he was receiving verbals, took a punch and nearly had his shirt ripped off his back. The Donegal player even kept his back to play so that he could continue mouthing in Connolly's face. Mayo did it to him last year and we had Westmeath doing it this year. What is the job of linesmen and umpires when refs cannot see this going on? Maybe a second ref is the solution. And yes Philly is not one to keep his mouth shut either so I'm not saying Dublin don't engage in this either. Just thought we saw a different level in deliberate attemts to get Connolly sent off. And you know, it worked!" Joxer, seriously let it go. You are acting as if Dublin never do these things. Neil Gallagher was targeted in the game 2 years ago. Rory O'Carroll had his back to the ball waving his arms in Neil's face the whole time and doing his best to annoy him. Eventually Neil lost it and grabbed ROC and threw him out of the way - for which he got booked. Immediately, ROC was switched off Gallagher and on to Murphy. Now, you tell me that isn't pre-planned? benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 07/08/2016 12:14:04 1897263 Link
Benjyy I think the difference is being annoying versus being abusive. I don't have a problem with a fella waving his hands in front of another to block his vision or to stop the pass coming in. In basketball lingo this is called 'denying the pass'. It's obstructing the receivers vision and the passers target. Prerfectly legal. But yeah enough of it. The game is over. Some rule change or empowering of the other officials required required though. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 07/08/2016 12:33:06 1897279 Link
Alano12 Take a picture if you want to remember this moment as it doesn't happen very often, But, I totally, 100% agree with you. With DC on a yellow card, his high tackle in the second half is another YC offense, Red card the correct action from Brannagan. Michael Murphys was high, it was reckless, but I don't think he intentionally tried to hurt Fenton who ducked into the tackle. A Yellow card. Correct decision in my view. If DC wasn't on a booking and he got sent off for the same kind of tackle, Dublin fans would have been in uproar. As for EOG, look, its soft when you look at the reply, But rules are rules, Striking or attempting to strike is a red card offence. Says nothing about open or closed hand strike. He is 60 yards away from play, Why would he even risk it by laying his hand on his opponent. His own stupidity. That's TECHNICALLY a red card offence too. The only thing that will get him off, is the fact Brannagan seemed to suggest it was a closed fist strike, when it wasn't. waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 07/08/2016 12:50:08 1897285 Link
Wayne I agree murphys for me is never a red in slow mo it looks bad but it was never intentional, but disagree on O Gara that's not even a yellow for me nothing in it whatsoever and it wil be overturned. Also disagree on Connolly he went in to tackle the ball very harsh to be sent off for that. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 07/08/2016 12:59:39 1897290 Link
This is what I observed from my vantage point in the Lower Cusack. Connolly's first yellow was for a tangle off the ball with Ryan McHugh. Donegal had the ball at the time and Connolly instigated the contact by blocking McHugh's run (this was a Dublin tactic all game as McMenamin and Kilkenny also blocked McHugh runs on a number of occasions). Connolly's second yellow was for a high tackle which normally attracts a yellow card. I'm struggling to see how this doesn't add up to a red? Murphy caught Fenton in the face, however Fenton was stumbling at the time and was falling towards Murphy when he connected. Murphy risked a red but arguably it was a clumsy attempt to tackle the ball which is what the ref (who was in a great position) ruled. I did not see O'Gara strike Neil McGee but from the moment he came on both players were jostling (and it was both at it). I've not had benefit of replays but as a player you always run risk of a red card when you strike off the ball, fist or open hand. Most Dublin fans I spoke to afterwards bemoaned O'Gara's stupidity. PabloD007 (Donegal) - Posts: 11 - 07/08/2016 13:17:09 1897301 Link
Replying To waynoI: "Alano12 Take a picture if you want to remember this moment as it doesn't happen very often, But, I totally, 100% agree with you. With DC on a yellow card, his high tackle in the second half is another YC offense, Red card the correct action from Brannagan. Michael Murphys was high, it was reckless, but I don't think he intentionally tried to hurt Fenton who ducked into the tackle. A Yellow card. Correct decision in my view. If DC wasn't on a booking and he got sent off for the same kind of tackle, Dublin fans would have been in uproar. As for EOG, look, its soft when you look at the reply, But rules are rules, Striking or attempting to strike is a red card offence. Says nothing about open or closed hand strike. He is 60 yards away from play, Why would he even risk it by laying his hand on his opponent. His own stupidity. That's TECHNICALLY a red card offence too. The only thing that will get him off, is the fact Brannagan seemed to suggest it was a closed fist strike, when it wasn't." Very fair and objective post HandballRef (Donegal) - Posts: 520 - 07/08/2016 13:17:28 1897303 Link
Agree Clondalkin, Connolly went for the ball, Donegal player going low so looked high when it wasn't intentional. Still risky when on a yellow but what was he to do? O'Gara was never a red, not even a yellow. There woulldn't be a player on the pitch if that was deemed red. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 07/08/2016 13:20:33 1897305 Link
Replying To Joxer: "Agree Clondalkin, Connolly went for the ball, Donegal player going low so looked high when it wasn't intentional. Still risky when on a yellow but what was he to do? O'Gara was never a red, not even a yellow. There woulldn't be a player on the pitch if that was deemed red." I agree that the players would probably feel a red is harsh for O'Gara. But referees have to go by the rule book. And as I said, The rules don't discriminate an open hand strike v a full on closed fisted dig. That's just the way it is. O'Gara shouldn't have even given the umpires something to tell Brannagan about, But once he did Joxer, a red card is the correct course of action, according to the rule book. Its a soft slap if even, But a red card all the same. waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 07/08/2016 13:48:23 1897320 Link
That's fine but then Murphy walks also so we need consistency. Murphy struck Fenton in face, intentional or not it was a bad challenge. Having said that if a ref was to send off fellas for what O'Gara did yesterday then games would end up 5 v 5. Officials need to be sensible and use their discretion. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 07/08/2016 20:31:48 1897596 Link
Replying To waynoI: "Alano12 Take a picture if you want to remember this moment as it doesn't happen very often, But, I totally, 100% agree with you. With DC on a yellow card, his high tackle in the second half is another YC offense, Red card the correct action from Brannagan. Michael Murphys was high, it was reckless, but I don't think he intentionally tried to hurt Fenton who ducked into the tackle. A Yellow card. Correct decision in my view. If DC wasn't on a booking and he got sent off for the same kind of tackle, Dublin fans would have been in uproar. As for EOG, look, its soft when you look at the reply, But rules are rules, Striking or attempting to strike is a red card offence. Says nothing about open or closed hand strike. He is 60 yards away from play, Why would he even risk it by laying his hand on his opponent. His own stupidity. That's TECHNICALLY a red card offence too. The only thing that will get him off, is the fact Brannagan seemed to suggest it was a closed fist strike, when it wasn't." fair play wayno i was going to say the same myself, ogara got sent off for stiking, can't call what murphy done striking! and of course teams are going to target connolly, why wouldn't they when it works nearly everytime?it's his own fault! and its not as if dublin don't be doing anything like this now come on! achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 563 - 07/08/2016 20:41:46 1897603 Link
I've heard it all now. So closed fist to the head is not a red. Look where Murphy's fist is and where the ball is. Yet O'Gara's open palm slap is a straight red??? Imagine if Connolly had done this... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw7-ffGG4_Q Fenton's lucky to still have his jaw intact Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 07/08/2016 21:02:47 1897621 Link
Ure saying EOG red was correct??!! Woild ye kg way and shte!! Tomas and aaron kernan completely rubbished it aswell.. Not in a million years ffs Liamwalkinstown (Dublin)* - Posts: 8166 - 07/08/2016 22:47:27 1897715 Link
On seeing the replay Wasn't a red - more of a push than a slap McGee was holding his jersey - but it wasn't even Handbags and in any case last thing Donegal needed was a 2 minute delay Murphy was lucky - don't think it was intentional but could have been red Though struggling with the defence of Connolly -,didn't see him as the victim here ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 07/08/2016 22:58:27 1897726 Link
Replying To Liamwalkinstown: "Ure saying EOG red was correct??!! Woild ye kg way and shte!! Tomas and aaron kernan completely rubbished it aswell.. Not in a million years ffs" As did McGuiness and Canavan yesterday. McGuiness said you'd not even get booked for that in under 8s. CroiGorm (Dublin)* - Posts: 1547 - 07/08/2016 23:13:10 1897734 Link
Replying To Liamwalkinstown: "Ure saying EOG red was correct??!! Woild ye kg way and shte!! Tomas and aaron kernan completely rubbished it aswell.. Not in a million years ffs" If that's directed at me, I cant explain it any more black and white. Do I think it was a red ? I think it was very harsh.. BUT, and here is my point, By the letter of the law (which, whether you, me, or anyone else likes it or not, is something the referee HAS to go by) a strike is a strike. AGAIN I repeat that there is no discrimination in the rulebook between how hard the striking action has to be, or whether the striking action is with an open palm, or a closed fist, It is considered a red card offence if seen by the officials. The Rule is vague, But the referee called it correct, Even if the rule is shte and no one agrees with it. But in anyways, What the hell was O'Gara even doin striking McGee ? McGee didn't lay a finger on him in the footage I seen until after O'Gara connected and McGee retaliated by pulling the front of O'Garas jersey. Now, before you jump down my throat about Murphy. Everyone on here has agreed that Diarmuid Connolly's second yellow, was a yellow card offence. I don't think anybody has any doubt in their mind about that ? So if Dermo's second yellow is a yellow, Then Murphys is also a yellow. The colour of the jersey the culprit is wearing shouldn't influence fans' thoughts. Murphy was lucky to stay on the pitch yesterday for a series of fouls on Dublin players. Bastick was lucky to stay on too. Hill even suggested on the Dublin forum that I want to see Dublin players sent off, Ridiculous comment to make. I'm only calling the incidents as I see them like you guys are. waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 07/08/2016 23:20:10 1897737 Link
Replying To Joxer: "I've heard it all now. So closed fist to the head is not a red. Look where Murphy's fist is and where the ball is. Yet O'Gara's open palm slap is a straight red??? Imagine if Connolly had done this... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw7-ffGG4_Q Fenton's lucky to still have his jaw intact" Totally agree Fenton is lucky that he didn't break his jaw. But I believe Murphy is going in to win the ball albeit foolishly with a closed fist. Though I don't believe he is going to hurt Fenton intentionally. Murphy and Connolly were both reckless high and dangerous, No doubt about it. But for me both incidents are yellow cards, The problem was Derm was already on one and he saw the line. Murphy should've seen the line later on in the game, And I'd be annoyed that he didn't. But he shouldn't have seen the line for that incident. waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 07/08/2016 23:25:49 1897740 Link