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Sadly a few years ago there was a movement many of us were involved in warming of the creeping proffesionalism & the GPA. It was savaged mostly by those now making money from the Gaa, TV pundits, print media journalists, paid county managers (yes there is such a thing, despite the Gaa doing a report & unable to find anything) Full time Croke Park officials etc, it now is on the slippery slope. Club players are only s#it on the shoe to county boards & Croke Park & Inter County is top priority. Padraic Duffy has overseen the Sky deal, the deal giving the GPA 15% of all Gaa income & now wants to increase the number of games by eight, which is done in this format for TV & garnering a big TV rights deal. It is all gathering momentum for pay for play. Some are using Provincial finals as an excuse saying they should be got rid of but they are all looking for these thing as Croke Park, look at those quoted guys who are making money as journalists & TV pundits with family members playing or managing at Inter County. When did you ever hear of a voice from your average club player or official, never & you never will. Gaa has been on a slippery slope for some time & haemoraging people but have decided that this route is the way forward led by Padraic Duffy. My regret after a lifetime involved 75% of which I enjoyed is that in the last decade, greed, power, politics, bitterness, division & avarice are all words I would associate with today's Gaa. moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 05/08/2016 12:00:29 1896145 Link 1 |
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Provincial championships are here to stay. Any new ideas have to keep that and meaningful reward for provincial winners in mind. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7868 - 05/08/2016 12:13:38 1896154 Link 0 |
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Problem at club level have nothing to do with the GAA at central council level or the GPA.The probles at club level are 100% the fault of county board delegates who are elected by club members, so it is club members who are causing the trouble for clubs If county's aren't happy with club fixture being delayed because of intercounty team simply arrange fixtures better or don't appoint county managers who show no respect for clubs teams and won't let players play for their clubs. If club fixtures were ordered better and they started in April (and not before ) and you gave players a game every week in their leagues for 3 or 4 months and then championship was started in August (most counties will be out of intercounty action by then) you would keep club players a lot happier. Bad organisation from county boards and a lack of accepting that players want more matches at club level is what is casuing the problem and not intercounty teams. uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 05/08/2016 12:29:01 1896169 Link 1 |
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Have to agree with a lot of that. The more I've been thinking about this proposal the more I reckon it is bad for 'weaker counties'. It makes getting to the likes of an All Ireland semi final nearly impossible. Think about it, under this structure would Fermanagh in 04, Wexford in 08, Down in 2010 or Tipp this year ever reach a semi final or final?? Now you can say look that's a rare enough occurrence anyway but ever sport needs an underdog story from time to time, its part of what makes a sport so captivating. TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 05/08/2016 12:44:32 1896181 Link 0 |
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Completely agree with all this. Leagues are for playing, championships are for winning. You don't need county players for the league. In both Antrim and Meath that's the way it works. No stop in the league, keep championships on hold for the county boys. Works fine. Makes championship when it comes around even better as teams are now at full strength. Something similar even happens in professional rugby where Ireland internationals rarely play Pro12 but are always available for the European games. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4236 - 05/08/2016 13:05:31 1896194 Link 1 |
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I know in some years recently in Tipp there has been issues with getting games played on time for the Munster championship but why not simply have the championship include a league format. ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 05/08/2016 13:10:51 1896202 Link 0 |
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There is a major contradiction in your reply if you look back at it. The gist of my point is that Padraic Duffy as Ard Stiurthoir has led the Association closer to proffesionalism by the Sky deal, GPA deal & now trying to increase the number of inter county C'ship matches. The concentration is on Inter county & clubs are being left behind. Many counties now have full time CEO's who aren't elected & many sit on county boards for 5 year terms unopposed as if the challenger or clubs who challenge have the audacity to run, they usually pay a big price. Gaa politics is rotten & anyone ever involved knows the story. The Gaa is often quoted as the most democratic sports body which is a complete nonsense. Have you ever put motions to county or Congress & see how many don't make it. Why is change so difficult to invoke & take so long in the Gaa. Blaming club members as you have saying it's their fault, sweet divine, go look at your contradiction in your post.
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 05/08/2016 13:13:36 1896204 Link 0 |
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The reason it's dificult to gte change is because Congress is too democratic and no one can agree on anything.The excessive degree of democracy in GAA actually prevents change being made. Who allowed the changes to be made so that county;s could have full time CEO's?The club delegates more than likely is than answer to that. If the Assoaciation can afford it there is nothing wrong with professionalism.Some people have this amd idea that professionals i somehow a dirty word and yet at the same time go into work every day and get paid for their work. The delegates in congress voted in favour of the Sky deal.They could have got rid of it this year if they wanted but chose to allow the TV rights be sold to whoever central council feel is best. Clubs aren't being left behind, they juts need to organise things better or themselves and stop expectiung central council to do eveyrthing for them.Why can't county's come up with proper fixture programmes themselves, it's incompetency from themselves is why.It is in no way the GAA at central council levels fault that county baords can't organise themselves and the games in their county's properly. People in the GAA need to stop blaming Central Council for evrything that is wrong with the GAA becuase they are responsible for very little that is wrong at club level in the game but it's easier to blame them lads up in Cork Park than to do a decent job running the game within each county. uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 05/08/2016 13:35:53 1896225 Link 1 |
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You could have the provincials run earlier in the year. No replays. Have provincial finalists and winners rewarded by seeding in the group stages. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 05/08/2016 13:50:43 1896238 Link 0 |
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Man oh man, you say that clubs have to stop expecting Central Council to do everything for them. What planet are you on. Your banging on about Central Council as if your on it or know somebody on it. Central Council do nothing for clubs, clubs are struggling paying registration & affiliation fees, insurance, fundraising, coaching teams & in all my time I have never witnessed any help at club level from Central Council. The problem is that Croke Park controls all activities of the Gaa now not county boards. I know of a case where a county board tried to organise their league & C'ship to have a more efficient club schedule
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 05/08/2016 16:45:32 1896324 Link 0 |
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But Croke Park (i.e Central Council) aren't controlling what County Boards do on internal matters regarding fixtures. There is no uniformity with structures across the counties and county boards can choose to run their league and championships whatever way they like.If they done what I suggested earlier things would be a lot better. Again you are blaming Croke Park for something that isn't their fault, it's not up to anyone else but the people within counties to sort out their own problems.Stop blaming Croke Park when they are not the problem. uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 05/08/2016 19:59:37 1896401 Link 0 |
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One funny thing I notice here is most assume that this proposed change is a stepping stone to a much bigger reform of the championship. I think Padraig Duffy is hoping this is the case. But just like when the qualifiers were introduced people assumed within a few years a major reform would come but nothing else happened since (15 years) . This change is good (if implemented) but I wonder will we be waiting another 15 years (2031) for any further reforms. Most agree for many many years a complete overhaul of inter county competition structures is needed but the GAA is so democratic (as said in another post) that it does not seem capable of agreeing to change something like this. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1356 - 05/08/2016 20:57:50 1896416 Link 0 |
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There is a major contradiction in your reply if you look back at it. The gist of my point is that Padraic Duffy as Ard Stiurthoir has led the Association closer to profesionalism by the Sky deal, GPA deal & now trying to increase the number of inter county C'ship matches. The concentration is on Inter county & clubs are being left behind. Many counties now have full time CEO's who aren't elected & many sit on county boards for 5 year terms unopposed as if the challenger or clubs who challenge have the audacity to run, they usually pay a big price. Gaa politics is rotten & anyone ever involved knows the story. The Gaa is often quoted as the most democratic sports body which is a complete nonsense. Have you ever put motions to county or Congress & see how many don't make it. Why is change so difficult to invoke & take so long in the Gaa. Blaming club members as you have saying it's their fault, sweet divine, go look at your contradiction in your post. ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 05/08/2016 21:32:01 1896432 Link 0 |
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Is the idea behind moving the AI hurling final to August 21st, primarily meant to facilitate these round robin games? Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 05/08/2016 22:21:55 1896455 Link 0 |
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To be fair the hurling championship adopted a group phase to it's qualifiers around 2005. They eventually moved back to knockout format. Bringing the group stage in for the final 8 is a change within the current system. If it doesn't work, they can revert back to quarter-finals. If the group stage proves a success, it might expand to 4 groups of 4. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7868 - 05/08/2016 22:43:05 1896461 Link 0 |
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To be fair to the GAA, they do admit that the reforms are modest and they seem to imply that they'll be looking to do something further. The qualifiers were considered the answer at the time Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4236 - 05/08/2016 22:54:51 1896463 Link 0 |
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Big load of blow from ofaireal and Duffy this would mean numberedjerseys (USA) - Posts: 348 - 06/08/2016 10:48:03 1896522 Link 0 |
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I've always been realistic that changes need to be a step from the current setup. I think it'll eventually end as 4 groups of 4: * Qualifier Round 1 will be held on the same weekends as Provincial semi-finals. * Qualifier Round 2 will be held on the same weekends as Provincial finals. * The 8 provincial finalists and 8 Qualifier Round 2 winners will enter 4 groups of 4. * Winning the provincial title will be offered the carrot of all their 3 group games at home. * All others will have 1 home game each. The 2 groups of 4 replacing the quarter-finals is a stepping stone. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7868 - 06/08/2016 12:07:40 1896552 Link 0 |
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No they didn't. They fail to realise that this suggestion is a step in the right direction.A slight improvement is better than no improvement and no solution is going to be 100% perfect. This is a stepping stone to something even better I imagine and maybe managers should use a bit of cop on and realise that. The fact is Duffy knows that right now getting rid of the provincials has no chance of passing and this might have a chance so has proposed this. I really hope that congress passes this and doesn't once again hold back progress in the GAA like it has done on numerous other occassions in the past and the intercounty managers once again are probably going to have a negative influence on the GAA as they whinge about every single thing the GAA try to introduce to improve things. uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 06/08/2016 12:46:40 1896564 Link 0 |
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From what I remember of talking to people at the time most people in 2001 thought the qualifiers were a stepping stone to a bigger reform of the competition the same as is being said now. The problem is most want change but it is very hard to get package through congress.
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1356 - 06/08/2016 12:53:49 1896566 Link 0 |