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Replying To Darragh: "Only benefits the teams in the last 8 so will improve their quality but anyone outside the top 8 will fall further behind. It's a typical response from top brass in GAA who are not interested in the lower end of the scale and only in making more money for the Association. I can't see the other counties agreeing to this but the County Boards in weaker counties are doing a fantastic job of destroying the game so they will probably agree in return for some lovely magic beans"
Sounds like a very negative posting as the overall restructuring has to be good for all.
Up4it. (Tyrone) - Posts:154 - 04/08/2016 14:47:16 1895564
OK firstly it is a negative posting as I believe changes like this will split the association into A and B for good. I am from one of the weaker counties and the proposals flat out ignore them. 'Overally restructuring has to be good for all'.........don't think this is about anything else but making more money. The football at quarter final stage on is not in need of change, it's before that stage that the problem is. If Duffy was really for change he would try and improve the quality of football of the weaker teams by giving them more games
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Replying To waynoI: "You just know this is going to be like losing your virginity.... An absolute total letdown, over before its even begun for want of a better phrase...." Sounds like your average Dublin leinster championship match.
Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 04/08/2016 15:45:29
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im not seeing anything where the weaker counties are helped in any shape or form
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 04/08/2016 15:49:19
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I actually like this change. Will make the business end even more interesting.
No problem with them removing league semis and I'm glad league finals remain.
But you're still going to have a crap leinster championship. If Dublin were rotated to a different province annually and only played in leinster every 4 years this new proposal would be pretty complete.
Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 04/08/2016 15:50:26
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Would anyone be in agreement that the teams that get knocked out early go into there own little knock out tournament give the weaker teams a longer summer
Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 760 - 04/08/2016 16:01:11
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Replying To Darragh: "Replying To Darragh: "Only benefits the teams in the last 8 so will improve their quality but anyone outside the top 8 will fall further behind. It's a typical response from top brass in GAA who are not interested in the lower end of the scale and only in making more money for the Association. I can't see the other counties agreeing to this but the County Boards in weaker counties are doing a fantastic job of destroying the game so they will probably agree in return for some lovely magic beans"
Sounds like a very negative posting as the overall restructuring has to be good for all.
Up4it. (Tyrone) - Posts:154 - 04/08/2016 14:47:16 1895564
OK firstly it is a negative posting as I believe changes like this will split the association into A and B for good. I am from one of the weaker counties and the proposals flat out ignore them. 'Overally restructuring has to be good for all'.........don't think this is about anything else but making more money. The football at quarter final stage on is not in need of change, it's before that stage that the problem is. If Duffy was really for change he would try and improve the quality of football of the weaker teams by giving them more games" If the system create more wealth for the GAA surely that money will filter down to the clubs and therefore is a positive aspect of the proposal?
Up4it. (Tyrone) - Posts: 198 - 04/08/2016 16:20:34
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When I saw headline on a news website I thought the GAA had revamped the whole structure of the All Ireland championship rather than tweak the last 8. It is good in that this proposal should increase profile of Gaelic football and have more games involving the top teams playing against each other but I am a bit disappointed they did not have a total overhaul of inter county championship.
For me what's needed is a revamp of the whole intercounty structure not just All Ireland championship or part of it. For me base the main inter county structure on the old league format of a few years ago (Divisions 1A/1B and Divisions 2A/2B). Obviously this competition would be considered the All Ireland Championship. This would guarantee each team 7 serious matches in the championship. Maybe play the provincial championships as completely separate knock out competitions and run them in parallel to main inter county season (as the FA cup is played for in England). Have no other main senior inter county competitions. This would lead to much easier scheduling for the inter county season, condense the inter county season into a smaller window, free up more time for club games, less completely one sided games involving division 1 and division 4 teams, inter county players getting to play more serious games and each county team would know that if they were not playing for Sam in 1 season they at least would be at most only 1 promotion away from playing for Sam the following year. One of the most crazy aspects of the current structure is many teams training 7 times a week for many months for maybe 2 or 3 serious inter county championship matches.
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1356 - 04/08/2016 17:09:11
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Replying To bdbuddah: "When I saw headline on a news website I thought the GAA had revamped the whole structure of the All Ireland championship rather than tweak the last 8. It is good in that this proposal should increase profile of Gaelic football and have more games involving the top teams playing against each other but I am a bit disappointed they did not have a total overhaul of inter county championship.
For me what's needed is a revamp of the whole intercounty structure not just All Ireland championship or part of it. For me base the main inter county structure on the old league format of a few years ago (Divisions 1A/1B and Divisions 2A/2B). Obviously this competition would be considered the All Ireland Championship. This would guarantee each team 7 serious matches in the championship. Maybe play the provincial championships as completely separate knock out competitions and run them in parallel to main inter county season (as the FA cup is played for in England). Have no other main senior inter county competitions. This would lead to much easier scheduling for the inter county season, condense the inter county season into a smaller window, free up more time for club games, less completely one sided games involving division 1 and division 4 teams, inter county players getting to play more serious games and each county team would know that if they were not playing for Sam in 1 season they at least would be at most only 1 promotion away from playing for Sam the following year. One of the most crazy aspects of the current structure is many teams training 7 times a week for many months for maybe 2 or 3 serious inter county championship matches." Why not 4 groups of 8. Top 4 into second round. You'd probably get 6-10 teams pretty nailed on to go through each year, after that other than say the weakest 5-8 counties everyone would harbour a chance of qualifying.
A second tier would really hurt the counties involved. You'd find more players deciding to concentrate on club football.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 04/08/2016 18:02:24
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Replying To Up4it.: "If the system create more wealth for the GAA surely that money will filter down to the clubs and therefore is a positive aspect of the proposal?" Do you honestly believe that to be the way that would pan out in reality?
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 04/08/2016 18:03:50
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Replying To Tarismelting22: "Would anyone be in agreement that the teams that get knocked out early go into there own little knock out tournament give the weaker teams a longer summer" Are you joking?
The division 4 teams went loopy last year when the B championship idea was mooted again.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 04/08/2016 18:06:25
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Replying To alano12: "im not seeing anything where the weaker counties are helped in any shape or form" They get more home qualifier fixtures.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 04/08/2016 18:07:31
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Replying To TheHermit: "I still don't know, personally I think the Kelly/McGuinness proposal had more merits than this one.
But like everything you need to see it played out to really judge it.
I wouldn't mind giving this structure a season or two to bed in and then have a review and see how people feel.
The GAA's statement did say this was just a proposed start to the process of revamping the entire Championship so they are probably hoping this will be allowed a test run before they turn their attention to the provincial championships.
I remain convinced that eliminating the provincial championships would be a huge huge mistake. They have to be retained and made a meaningful part of any solution." I agree that the provincials should remain.
I don't like the Kelly/McG solutions. I don't think the championship should be tiered.
I'd like to see 2 knockout competitions played in parallel.
Open draw All Ireland down to 4 teams.
Current Provincial championships played off also.
They then get merged.
There'd be 4 teams from each stream qualify for All Ireland series.
If you are left in both you go straight to the semifinals.
If you are left in 1 there's a playoff round to complete the AI semi-finals.
Roughly the same number of games as now. Qualifiers are replaced by the Open draw competition, which in my opinion would be quite an interesting tournament.
Improves the fairness, as any provincial advantage gets halved.
Provincial championships become more do or die again.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 04/08/2016 18:26:40
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Replying To hurlorhurley: "More signs of how out of touch the top of GAA is with everyone else. This is aimed solely at one thing lining the pockets of Croke Park. How will this improve football in Carlow, Wexford Wicklow. It means more games for the top teams and the bottom teams will continue to be forgotten.
The league should be turned into provincial leagues with this determining the seeding for a 32 team champions league style championship.
Do away with the provincial championships pointless exercises at this stage." That provincial leagues in a pretty good idea alright.
If you merged Connacht with Munster and put London into Ulster you could have something where the bottom 16 teams go into the All Ireland first round. Next 8 teams get a bye to the last 24, best 8 get into the last 16.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 04/08/2016 18:36:56
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It sounds to me like a complicated mess, I think the provincial championships should be scrapped, 4 groups of 8 home and away games with the top 2 from each group going into a draw for the quarter finals,winners of each group being seeded, it would get over the big advantage the Dubs have of playing in Croke park all the time.
there are 32 counties,you could work London and New York into it someway I suppose, do Kilkenny even play football?
TirChonaillabu2 (Donegal) - Posts: 344 - 04/08/2016 18:49:27
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Purely from a spectator point of view I think it's a great idea, any real football fan wants to see top teams playing each other, we normally only get around 4 of these in a season which is shocking!
The weaker County argument is absolutely ridiculous! No matter what format you put together if dublin play carlow, carlow are going to get hammered! Any change in championship structure is not going to all of a sudden improve a team, it is actually totally irrelevant! If weaker County wants to improve they just need to look at Tipp and put resources into their underage set up and stop pointing fingers elsewhere!
This is the best proposal I have heard, more top games and more entertainment in the championship, hopefully won't be shot down now by lads with a chip on the shoulder!
as_ky (Kerry) - Posts: 535 - 04/08/2016 19:29:26
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All for this no where for a county to hide and no more easy routes to all Ireland's.
One concern would be that the provinces are rotated annually, I.e. The winners of ?Munster won't play the Connaught champions every year etc. I presume this is built in?
Some inequalities that need to be looked at
1) each county has the same prep time, Munster finishes the start of July after a couple of games, other provinces late July, every province should finish at the same time and each team the same prep time.
2) Dublin will play 2 games in Croke Park, probaly more given there is hardly any stadiums in the country that can cope with the numbers for an advanced Championship game.
3) this will suit counties with big panels, Dublin will relish this.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 04/08/2016 20:01:36
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Replying To Jack_Goff: "I actually like this change. Will make the business end even more interesting.
No problem with them removing league semis and I'm glad league finals remain.
But you're still going to have a crap leinster championship. If Dublin were rotated to a different province annually and only played in leinster every 4 years this new proposal would be pretty complete." Ah the old Dublin rotation rubbish again !!
Broken down record springs to mind..
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 04/08/2016 20:08:30
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Replying To alano12: "im not seeing anything where the weaker counties are helped in any shape or form" Get up off their arses and work on underage developement. That is the only thing that helps weaker counties.
I;m from a so called weaker county and I love this suggestions it's a definite improvement on what we have currently as we get more matches between high quality teams which is what everyone wants.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 04/08/2016 20:08:35
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I do think it would be a good idea as well if 8 teams made up of the four losers from round 3 and four losers from round 4 went into a shield competition! Would be good standard, this year you would have the likes of cork, monaghan, derry and roscommon in the competition, would help these teams improve and lengthen the summer! Also gives an achievable aim to some of the so called weaker counties
as_ky (Kerry) - Posts: 535 - 04/08/2016 20:36:09
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Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "Get up off their arses and work on underage developement. That is the only thing that helps weaker counties.
I;m from a so called weaker county and I love this suggestions it's a definite improvement on what we have currently as we get more matches between high quality teams which is what everyone wants." Well entitled to your opinion neighbour but I strongly disagree. If they are serious about change then give every team an equal number of games in a group format and best go into quarter knockout format seeded 1 v 8, 2 v 7 etc all to be played at neutral venues. Scrap provinces and plan a season in advance so the real backbone of the GAA, the club footballer, can know early in the year exactly when his club games will be on
Darragh (Westmeath) - Posts: 301 - 04/08/2016 20:39:38
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