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Replying To royaldunne: "Look these counties have been left behind in regards funding for 10 years, now its not dubs fault, if Meath refused this money id go bananas, however I feel the other Leinster counties should get similar money, the funding of dubs has been a huge success, perhaps too much so regarding the gap that has happened, . Lets get a equal playing field for all counties when it comes to funding, that's all anyone wants. Plus 1.25k per annum is not going to solve the problem, id rather see Leinster council appoint 6/7 full time coaches (paid for by Leinster council) in each county, money better spent and a chance of it actually working, just cause throwing money at one county worked doesn't mean it will work all the time, also id say its upto each individual county to spend it how they see fit, a bad idea in my opinion." I don't think those counties will be allowed to spend it in how they see fit.It is for development of the games and underage..
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Delighted with this announcement, definitely makes sense for investment in counties like Kildare and Meath with they're growing populations.
There's already over 120 full time coaches in Leinster and 125k will easily fund 3 more (the application process for development officer jobs has already started) and go a long way to training up more coaches, refs and volunteers roughly 2,000 people going through programmes with Leinster GAA each year is great to see.
The money here is going to be ring-fenced for specific projects / roles - counties won't just be allowed spend it on whatever they want.
There was a thread on here recently that included the population of each of the division 1 teams along with Kildare and Meath, another thread mentioned the fact that Kerry only have 6 GDA's. Considering both Kildare and Meath have bigger populations than Kerry and currently have fewer GDA's than them it's good to see this is going to be addressed. Kerry's population is roughly 66% of Kildare's and 75% of Meath's yet they have more GDA's - don't see how anybody could think that's fair.
Slightly off topic, there were over 1,500 applications made to the sports capital unit in 2015, less than 70 of these were made by Kildare bodies and the figure for Meath was pretty similar. Again the awarding of these grants is based on the quality of the application among other factors. Counties, clubs and sports bodies aren't going to get significant sums of money handed to them without question - prove you can spend it smartly and get a return on it and you'll be rewarded in the future. Whinge about others getting money instead of looking at why they're getting it instead of you and you're not going to change much.
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I don't think those counties will be allowed to spend it in how they see fit.It is for development of the games and underage..
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts:6387 - 03/08/2016
Spot on, it's earmarked for games development and underage coaching in each county and the recruitment process has already started for some new games development officers.
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Couple of key points there Kerry have 6 GDA's - 1 of which is exclusively for Hurling, the other 5 for Football
Secondly, Kerry is far bigger geographically than either Meath or Kildare it'd be impossible for 2 or 3 coaches to cover all the regions effectively
Thirdly and most importantly, the Kerry CB employs these coaches not Croke Park
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Replying To Independent12: "I would like to hear an official from the Leinster Council explain the rationale behind the decision to ignore the other seven counties in Leinster (already, the weakest of the four provinces). How does this close the gap? IMO, it just creates another one." Would you like to hear an explanation from an official in Carlow GAA aswell as to why they are not making better use of their allocation from the €1million Hurling Development Fund?
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Couple of key points there Kerry have 6 GDA's - 1 of which is exclusively for Hurling, the other 5 for Football
Secondly, Kerry is far bigger geographically than either Meath or Kildare it'd be impossible for 2 or 3 coaches to cover all the regions effectively
Thirdly and most importantly, the Kerry CB employs these coaches not Croke Park
KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts:642 - 03/08/2016
So the size of the county is more important than the population? More important than the number of clubs, schools and teams then yeah? Counties like Dublin must be at a disadvantage then by being so small.
Do you know if the coaches in Kildare and Meath are employed by Croke Park or the county boards? Johnny Doyle's new role for example is funded by Kildare GAA and Kildare LSP / Kildare County Council.
Sure there's no need for any investment in Louth so, 3 coaches is plenty for the smallest county in the country. And sure Longford can't complain about being left out of this particular investment - they've already got 4 or 5 GDA's, surely it's cutbacks they'd be facing rather than funding increases...
if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 03/08/2016 22:59:15
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Thirdly and most importantly, the Kerry CB employs these coaches not Croke Park
KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts:642 - 03/08/2016 22:26:49
Doesn't matter who employs them - where does the funding come from?
jimski (Kildare) - Posts: 381 - 03/08/2016 23:11:33
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They may forget about it in Louth. Every single young lad in Dundalk wants to play soccer to emulate what Dundalk FC are achieving. And the structures Dundalk FC now have in place at youth level are unrivalled in Ireland. Young lads are choosing soccer over Gaelic in secondary schools now that wouldn't have in the past. Drogheda another huge soccer town aswel. Louth with float between div 3 and div 4 in football. Hurlers Nicky rackard.
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 730 - 03/08/2016 23:53:01
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They may forget about it in Louth. Every single young lad in Dundalk wants to play soccer to emulate what Dundalk FC are achieving. And the structures Dundalk FC now have in place at youth level are unrivalled in Ireland. Young lads are choosing soccer over Gaelic in secondary schools now that wouldn't have in the past. Drogheda another huge soccer town aswel. Louth with float between div 3 and div 4 in football. Hurlers Nicky rackard.
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 730 - 03/08/2016 23:55:42
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Replying To if_in_doubt: "Delighted with this announcement, definitely makes sense for investment in counties like Kildare and Meath with they're growing populations.
There's already over 120 full time coaches in Leinster and 125k will easily fund 3 more (the application process for development officer jobs has already started) and go a long way to training up more coaches, refs and volunteers roughly 2,000 people going through programmes with Leinster GAA each year is great to see.
The money here is going to be ring-fenced for specific projects / roles - counties won't just be allowed spend it on whatever they want.
There was a thread on here recently that included the population of each of the division 1 teams along with Kildare and Meath, another thread mentioned the fact that Kerry only have 6 GDA's. Considering both Kildare and Meath have bigger populations than Kerry and currently have fewer GDA's than them it's good to see this is going to be addressed. Kerry's population is roughly 66% of Kildare's and 75% of Meath's yet they have more GDA's - don't see how anybody could think that's fair.
Slightly off topic, there were over 1,500 applications made to the sports capital unit in 2015, less than 70 of these were made by Kildare bodies and the figure for Meath was pretty similar. Again the awarding of these grants is based on the quality of the application among other factors. Counties, clubs and sports bodies aren't going to get significant sums of money handed to them without question - prove you can spend it smartly and get a return on it and you'll be rewarded in the future. Whinge about others getting money instead of looking at why they're getting it instead of you and you're not going to change much." The idea that you put in a quality application for money and you will receive is a nice story, not the actual reality but a nice story all the same.
You can prove it will be spent smartly, you can prove you will get a good return for the money etc and still be told sorry cant help you here.
For example Wexford GAA were denied funding for completing our centre of excellence in recent years, the quality of the project was praised, the rationale behind the project was lauded. The reason for the funding being denied was we hadnt enough money in the bank to begin with and had spent the money that was given to us for games development in the county on actual games development in the county.
But im sure going forward the counties of the Pale wont have this problem going forward. Best of luck to them.
What is it about the Leinster Council its fiasco after fiasco with them. F-It i think we should just apply to be part of Munster down here or just declare ourselves a republic again ala 1798.
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For example Wexford GAA were denied funding for completing our centre of excellence in recent years, the quality of the project was praised, the rationale behind the project was lauded. The reason for the funding being denied was we hadnt enough money in the bank to begin with and had spent the money that was given to us for games development in the county on actual games development in the county.
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts:392 - 04/08/2016
Did Wexford apply for the funding before the project was started or was an application submitted while building work was actually ongoing?
You say the county board hadn't enough money to begin with, surely you don't mean they started the project without the required level of funding in place? Obviously things can run over budget and take longer to complete than initially thought but running low on funds and applying for some sort of emergency type grant part of the way through wouldn't fill me with confidence if I was looking at grant applications.
if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 04/08/2016 10:30:09
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Replying To buttybrennan: "How are people being anti-Dublin? Most of the posts here are having a cut off the GAA/Leinster Council for the funding anomaly.
Stop being so sensitive and paranoid over something that's not happening." You have read
Ziggy. tearintom, royalbadger, buttybrennan Realman2 , and you think its in my head ?
Should try reading all posts before having a pop
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 04/08/2016 10:55:54
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The bottom line for the Leinster Council is revenue. They are not worried about the development of the game in the smaller counties.
Independent12 (Carlow) - Posts: 20 - 04/08/2016 11:03:58
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Replying To Past hurler: "They may forget about it in Louth. Every single young lad in Dundalk wants to play soccer to emulate what Dundalk FC are achieving. And the structures Dundalk FC now have in place at youth level are unrivalled in Ireland. Young lads are choosing soccer over Gaelic in secondary schools now that wouldn't have in the past. Drogheda another huge soccer town aswel. Louth with float between div 3 and div 4 in football. Hurlers Nicky rackard." All the more reason that the GAA should be investing in Louth(and Kildare, Meath, Wicklow etc.) - at least give the children the choice - they will follow the games if they well organised and coaching is of a good standard.
73forever (Limerick) - Posts: 89 - 04/08/2016 11:07:02
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Replying To if_in_doubt: "For example Wexford GAA were denied funding for completing our centre of excellence in recent years, the quality of the project was praised, the rationale behind the project was lauded. The reason for the funding being denied was we hadnt enough money in the bank to begin with and had spent the money that was given to us for games development in the county on actual games development in the county.
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts:392 - 04/08/2016
Did Wexford apply for the funding before the project was started or was an application submitted while building work was actually ongoing?
You say the county board hadn't enough money to begin with, surely you don't mean they started the project without the required level of funding in place? Obviously things can run over budget and take longer to complete than initially thought but running low on funds and applying for some sort of emergency type grant part of the way through wouldn't fill me with confidence if I was looking at grant applications." Sorry saying not having enough money to begin with was the incorrect term to use.
Basically we needed money to finish the project, were told at the time before we started the project that when the time came we would receive the funding but when we applied we were told sorry but you need to have money in the bank for the next grant. This wasnt outlined at the time and we dont have money in the bank, whatever funding comes through is spent as is expected.
Now to be honest the County Board didnt make a fuss about it, we went off raised our funds and completed it ourselves.
But there is this idea that has been put about on forums such as this that any county who provides a proper plan for funding to be spent on the GAA will be given the money at that the counties receiving funds are the ones with the bright ideas as to how to spend it. Its simply not true.
And the current situation where extra funding is now given to counties because of their proximity to Dublin is an example, have these 4 counties provided plans as to how it will be spent? Are these plans better than those submitted by others?
Im disappointed by the recent decision, not surprised to be honest but again Leinster Council really dont seem to understand the concerns of all their counties or even car for that matter.
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Replying To Damothedub: "You have read
Ziggy. tearintom, royalbadger, buttybrennan Realman2 , and you think its in my head ?
Should try reading all posts before having a pop" You basically just mentioned posters who stated that Dublin have received more funding.
That isnt having a cut off Dublin, its basically stating a fact that Dublin have received more funding than the rest. No one is blaming Dublin for it because it isnt their fault.
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1338 - 04/08/2016 11:20:41
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Replying To Damothedub: "You have read
Ziggy. tearintom, royalbadger, buttybrennan Realman2 , and you think its in my head ?
Should try reading all posts before having a pop" I suggest you read my post again so.
The majority of people are blaming the GAA.
If you are seeing anything else then its just paranoia.
buttybrennan (Cork) - Posts: 58 - 04/08/2016 11:50:28
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Replying To Independent12: "The bottom line for the Leinster Council is revenue. They are not worried about the development of the game in the smaller counties." Carlow are one of only 5 counties with money available to them from the €1million Hurling Development Fund.
Does this not count as assistance for developing the game in smaller counties? Why do you keep ignoring the fact this investment has been made?
extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 04/08/2016 12:26:47
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The GAA are a joke especially in leinster.
Here's what they do.
Plough 90% of funds into Dublin and make them an unstoppable beast. When it's too late what do they do..
Keep over funding Dublin. And now fund meath, Kildare, louth and wicklow. If the funding actually works like it did for Dublin you'll have meath and Kildare getting beat by a little less when they play Dublin but beating the rest by a lot more.
If they had any sense they'd cut Dublins funding completely and spread it around every county in leinster. none to Killkenny football obviously. Let their footballers amalgamate with carlow under the carlow name. Give carlow Killkennys stake.
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Replying To BigJohn.6_8: "This is unbelievable I mean unbelievable ...EAST LEINSTER??? Are they splitting the Province ???
If the other 7 counties don't do something and protest about this then really the GAA is a dead duck and has had its day!" No counties protested meaningfully when Dublin got 90% of the funding and basically killed the leinster championship. So why would they protest now. The reality is the province is full of yes men and unfortunately are completely at the mercy of the gaa and leinster council.
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