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we seem so many superb hurlers over the years Tommy Dunne DJ Henry Sheflin J J Delaney Tommy Walsh ect that we have been so fortunate in GAA to have witnessed their talent.
Austin Gleeson is no doubt brilliant I think centre back is best spot for him he definately has all the skills but needs to curb stupid shooting and his temper as well, Tony Kelly though is more thoughtful hurler at moment and is better at carrying team over the line like his club Ballyea much like Henry did so many times with KK
Both players have suffered with defensive, tactic driven, boring coaches in the past Kelly for his club "no game plan" it seems and the Waterford u 21 Manager knew how to make most of their talent.
Amazing players both deserve to win more in the future wont be easy though
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Replying To clooney: "we seem so many superb hurlers over the years Tommy Dunne DJ Henry Sheflin J J Delaney Tommy Walsh ect that we have been so fortunate in GAA to have witnessed their talent.
Austin Gleeson is no doubt brilliant I think centre back is best spot for him he definately has all the skills but needs to curb stupid shooting and his temper as well, Tony Kelly though is more thoughtful hurler at moment and is better at carrying team over the line like his club Ballyea much like Henry did so many times with KK
Both players have suffered with defensive, tactic driven, boring coaches in the past Kelly for his club "no game plan" it seems and the Waterford u 21 Manager knew how to make most of their talent.
Amazing players both deserve to win more in the future wont be easy though" Agree with that Clooney.
It was refreshing to watch Ballyea (and indeed Glen Rovers) who just went out an played the game and we had no boring game plans..the best players will come to the fore in this situation..
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Hail hail
TheBlaBoi (Waterford) - Posts:15 - 23/11/2016 00:38:15
Nah, think it's just raaaain boi.
extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 23/11/2016 14:43:16
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Replying To bennybunny: "Agree with that Clooney.
It was refreshing to watch Ballyea (and indeed Glen Rovers) who just went out an played the game and we had no boring game plans..the best players will come to the fore in this situation.." Yeah the best players will come to the fore if theres a free style game. The less tactics and gameplans mean the team with the best talent will win. Its also crazy and no decent team manager will let his players go out without a plan. Glen Rovers had no plan for Kelly. Talk about ridiculous. Every team deserves a gameplan especially if they are less talented.
bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 23/11/2016 15:28:48
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Maybe they're not the best players if they can only display their talents in open games.
Best does not equal most talented.
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12123 - 23/11/2016 16:51:50
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You have to put things into perspective when looking at 2 players and comparing one with the other.
If your comparing them in a general term of who is better - you have to scale them against who is the best.
Henry Shefflin is considered the best of all time because he consistently performed at such a high level even when being marked by Irelands best defenders, sometimes double marked.
Tony Kelly looked like the new Henry with unbelievable performances in 2013. Since then however he has had to adjust to the heavy man marking and double marking. Tony will get used to this attention and he is starting to find himself again and is more robust and mature as a lot of people are pointing out.
Austin is that breath of fresh air that we all love. Plays like there's no tomorrow, heart on the sleeve, fist in the air....this type of player will always get slightly more credit because everything he does seems to be amazing. He has not been double marked yet because of the position and role he plays in the team. He will go through that stage same as Tony.
When both have come through the couple years of double marking and extra attention it brings maturity and we will see a more refined version of the two. Its at this stage that we should compare them.
I think its a very interesting comparison. Austin gleeson wouldnt have a hope if man marking kelly but then again kelly could equally look like the second best if austin played his normal game and forgets about his defensive duties.
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TheBlaBoi (Waterford) - Posts:15 - 23/11/2016 00:38:15
Nah, think it's just raaaain boi." Stay picking strawberries, I hear Davy is fond on them. Worry about how wexford will cope with a sweeper system next year
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Replying To SamT2012: "You have to put things into perspective when looking at 2 players and comparing one with the other.
If your comparing them in a general term of who is better - you have to scale them against who is the best.
Henry Shefflin is considered the best of all time because he consistently performed at such a high level even when being marked by Irelands best defenders, sometimes double marked.
Tony Kelly looked like the new Henry with unbelievable performances in 2013. Since then however he has had to adjust to the heavy man marking and double marking. Tony will get used to this attention and he is starting to find himself again and is more robust and mature as a lot of people are pointing out.
Austin is that breath of fresh air that we all love. Plays like there's no tomorrow, heart on the sleeve, fist in the air....this type of player will always get slightly more credit because everything he does seems to be amazing. He has not been double marked yet because of the position and role he plays in the team. He will go through that stage same as Tony.
When both have come through the couple years of double marking and extra attention it brings maturity and we will see a more refined version of the two. Its at this stage that we should compare them.
I think its a very interesting comparison. Austin gleeson wouldnt have a hope if man marking kelly but then again kelly could equally look like the second best if austin played his normal game and forgets about his defensive duties." Shefflin is far from being considered the best hurler of all time and can you name one intercounty game where he was double marked?
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they are two different type of players. austin is doing things on the waterford half back line and beyond i didnt see done since brian whelehan was playing.things that are so difficult brilliantly carried out so apparently normally...tony kelly is a rolls royce player he glides over the ground and beats top class defenders so easily its scary. ill tell ye what im looking forward to watching these 2 for the next 10 years..id love to see both winning all ireland medals in the next few years.i think clare will for sure now that davy is gone and waterford are very close to it already..
kavvie (Clare) - Posts: 505 - 25/11/2016 22:27:40
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Shefflin is far from being considered the best hurler of all time ...
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts:1666 - 24/11/2016 08:38:17
Nonsense. I don't know if your opinion is due to ignorance or Tipperary bitterness.
While it's arguable whether he was the best, in all objective discussions and articles written about the greatest hurlers of all time, Shefflin is always mentioned. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous and false.
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "Shefflin is far from being considered the best hurler of all time ...
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts:1666 - 24/11/2016 08:38:17
Nonsense. I don't know if your opinion is due to ignorance or Tipperary bitterness.
While it's arguable whether he was the best, in all objective discussions and articles written about the greatest hurlers of all time, Shefflin is always mentioned. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous and false." It's not one bit arguable or Tipp ignorance either. Christy Ring is well known to be the best hurler that played the game.
Eddie Keher is up there too and there is no one in modern times better than Brian Whelehan. Shefflin is the most successful and is up there no doubt but the best? Not a chance
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Replying To tiobraid: " Replying To Cockney_Cat: "Shefflin is far from being considered the best hurler of all time ...
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts:1666 - 24/11/2016 08:38:17
Nonsense. I don't know if your opinion is due to ignorance or Tipperary bitterness.
While it's arguable whether he was the best, in all objective discussions and articles written about the greatest hurlers of all time, Shefflin is always mentioned. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous and false." It's not one bit arguable or Tipp ignorance either. Christy Ring is well known to be the best hurler that played the game. Eddie Keher is up there too and there is no one in modern times better than Brian Whelehan. Shefflin is the most successful and is up there no doubt but the best? Not a chance"
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: " Replying To tiobraid: "[quote=Cockney_Cat: "Shefflin is far from being considered the best hurler of all time ...
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts:1666 - 24/11/2016 08:38:17
Nonsense. I don't know if your opinion is due to ignorance or Tipperary bitterness.
While it's arguable whether he was the best, in all objective discussions and articles written about the greatest hurlers of all time, Shefflin is always mentioned. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous and false." It's not one bit arguable or Tipp ignorance either. Christy Ring is well known to be the best hurler that played the game. Eddie Keher is up there too and there is no one in modern times better than Brian Whelehan. Shefflin is the most successful and is up there no doubt but the best? Not a chance"
We all have our own opinions but Shefflin's style of play or quality never had the hairs on the back of my neck standing like some of the other greats I could name who also were incredibly consistent.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 01/12/2016 15:34:04
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