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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "In the same league? TJ Reid won 2 Senior All-Irelands before he turned 21." Also tj wasn't starting when those were won. Tony kelly was instrumental in clares success at 19 years old. blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 31/07/2016 07:00:12 1892645 Link
Replying To 1914: "What's your point? TJ Reid plays for Kilkenny, that they won 2 All-Irelands before he was 21 is irrelevant. A Gleeson might never win one. That doesn't mean he couldn't be one of the greatest players ever." Good reply! But AG does have an AI all ready, albeit minor with an expected u21 to follow this term juniorjudge (Waterford) - Posts: 383 - 31/07/2016 09:51:15 1892664 Link
Replying To juniorjudge: "Good reply! But AG does have an AI all ready, albeit minor with an expected u21 to follow this term" Hopefully a senior some day too, as long as it isn't at Clare's expense! (The day might come when somebody realises that the faster and more often ball is played to C McGrath, S O'Donnell, T Kelly etc., the better chance we have of winning games!). I've said before that Gleeson is a rare talent and a joy to watch. You know that age-old (and futile) argument as to who is the better player, A or B? I'd prefer to talk about who I like to see play - for example, give me DJ Carey over Henry Shefflin for thrilling moments. Austin Gleeson is one of those players. 1914 (Clare) - Posts: 92 - 31/07/2016 10:26:33 1892677 Link
Replying To Brianmac78: "Look at the space he was afforded v Tipp though, acres of space. Be interested to see would he be as effective against say TJ Reid or Hogan playing that loose game at 6. Tony Kelly for me." That is true, but look at the leadership he gave Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1914 - 31/07/2016 14:09:57 1892778 Link
Soccer has Messi and Ronaldo hurling Has Tony Kelly and Austin Gleeson two of the best young talents I've ever seen, Kelly is still only 22 and is already Clare's greatest ever hurler and Gleeson could end up being the greatest of all time, can't wait til these two in county action against each other next year I just love watching them play. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 21/11/2016 13:26:50 1935744 Link
Tony Kelly, what can I say. One of the most complete performances ive ever seen yesterday. How he didnt get MOTM is beyond me.......an absolute joy to watch. ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 21/11/2016 13:32:53 1935747 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "Soccer has Messi and Ronaldo hurling Has Tony Kelly and Austin Gleeson two of the best young talents I've ever seen, Kelly is still only 22 and is already Clare's greatest ever hurler and Gleeson could end up being the greatest of all time, can't wait til these two in county action against each other next year I just love watching them play." ah now! No doubting Kelly's undoubted talent but has been rather inconsistent since 2013 at inter county and can be marked out of games and, while his performances at club level are phenomenal, it is at a lower level. He should be standing out at that level - same with Gleeson at u-21, while he was taken off in the munster senior final this year. They are great talents but saying Kelly is the greatest player that clare have produced is pushing it a bit, they both have a long way to go to be spoken of as all time greats. 73forever (Limerick) - Posts: 89 - 21/11/2016 14:07:53 1935757 Link
First of all I'd say the hype regarding both did frustrate me considering both were/are very prone to stupid shots at goal and wrong selections in general. They are very similar in that regard. However, Kelly seems to have matured in that he now uses his pace and fitness to put himself in a scoring position before lining up his shot. He has been brilliant the last few weeks but it's a step up doing the same at intercounty regularly. Gleeson is an unbelievable talent but prone to do the same. The above looks all negative but I'm only pointing out the small issues where they can improve to become all time greats. Both need to settle into a position now but picking one over the other is silly. Be interesting to see where their careers go. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 21/11/2016 16:33:40 1935788 Link
There only stupid shots when they don't go over and theirs not a hurler alive who haven't hit a wide, these two can score from anywhere on a hurling field from their own 45 onwards so it's never a stupid shot when you have their ability it's just a surprise when they miss. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 21/11/2016 16:50:21 1935791 Link
It's not a surprise at all when Austin Gleeson misses.I'd say he misses more than he scores.For a centre back he really can be selfish at times when the better option would be to drop it in to the full forward line.He is undoubtedly a ridiculous talent but i put his erratic shooting down to the innocence and boldness of youth.I'm sure some of his team mates are not overjoyed when he keeps hitting wide after wide from low-odds positions.It is definately an area of his game that needs improving and i'm sure it will.Sometimes it feels like it's the "Austin Show!". P.S Junior,i'll give you 10 minutes before you try to discredit my post haha. cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 21/11/2016 16:58:06 1935792 Link
Replying To cuederocket: "It's not a surprise at all when Austin Gleeson misses.I'd say he misses more than he scores.For a centre back he really can be selfish at times when the better option would be to drop it in to the full forward line.He is undoubtedly a ridiculous talent but i put his erratic shooting down to the innocence and boldness of youth.I'm sure some of his team mates are not overjoyed when he keeps hitting wide after wide from low-odds positions.It is definately an area of his game that needs improving and i'm sure it will.Sometimes it feels like it's the "Austin Show!". P.S Junior,i'll give you 10 minutes before you try to discredit my post haha." apologies to the late reply...i was beginning my rant when the waitress arrived at the table with the dinner...so ill post my reply to your predictable begrudgery while i wait for my mini nutella doughnut sundae dessert....you consistently knock AG over his wides..but sure what CB in the modern game doesnt have a few pops...you say AG should knock a few in to full forward but sure waterfords style dont play with a man so forward and central...a knowledgable person like yourself ought to have picked up on this....i look forward to your reply which ill peruse after my pot of tea after the desert....eitherway kelly or gleeson?? 2 phenomenal hurlers juniorjudge (Waterford) - Posts: 383 - 21/11/2016 17:35:04 1935801 Link
Replying To juniorjudge: "apologies to the late reply...i was beginning my rant when the waitress arrived at the table with the dinner...so ill post my reply to your predictable begrudgery while i wait for my mini nutella doughnut sundae dessert....you consistently knock AG over his wides..but sure what CB in the modern game doesnt have a few pops...you say AG should knock a few in to full forward but sure waterfords style dont play with a man so forward and central...a knowledgable person like yourself ought to have picked up on this....i look forward to your reply which ill peruse after my pot of tea after the desert....eitherway kelly or gleeson?? 2 phenomenal hurlers" Good man junior,never a man to miss a trick.We will have to agree to disagree on Austin's profligacy in front of goals.His over exuberance at times can be a little deflating. You say all centre backs like to have a pop at goals.Maybe,but i've never seen a centre back to go for the posts as much as this new kid on the block.I've seen him go for close to 10 long range point attempts in a single game.Crazy stuff.Fine and dandy if most were sailing between the posts.But most are not as far as i recall.Slightly over-the-top bragadaccio.Great talent,but needs refining and maturity and experience should bring that. cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 21/11/2016 18:06:29 1935808 Link
For what it's worth, from a complete neutral; Gleeson by a distance. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 21/11/2016 18:12:42 1935811 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "There only stupid shots when they don't go over and theirs not a hurler alive who haven't hit a wide, these two can score from anywhere on a hurling field from their own 45 onwards so it's never a stupid shot when you have their ability it's just a surprise when they miss." Glesson had the most wides of all players in the 16 Championship, nine against Wexford alone. These wild shots will cost you against the bigger teams (KK semi final) Glesson is way better I think at the moment but as I keep saying has so much to learn, I agree with Cue on Glesson should start supplying the Waterford forwards with ball more, I heard this was an issue brought up with the Waterford forwards with Derek McGrath after this years championship. therealtmo (Tipperary) - Posts: 1292 - 21/11/2016 20:31:34 1935823 Link
Posters on here giving out about 21 year old player of the year Austin Gleeson's fault's sweet lantern Jaysis are you's listening to what you's are saying? Complete bs. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 21/11/2016 21:28:38 1935846 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "Posters on here giving out about 21 year old player of the year Austin Gleeson's fault's sweet lantern Jaysis are you's listening to what you's are saying? Complete bs." you'll find its mostly 'why didnt seamie win hurler of the year tipp whingers' moaning about this countries greatest talent....and my oul pal cue juniorjudge (Waterford) - Posts: 383 - 21/11/2016 21:44:03 1935849 Link
Both superb players but it depends what you want. For my Kelly is an attacking wizard but Gleeson is stronger and better defensively! Gleeson is a centre back imo and Kelly is an attacking midfielder. LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2492 - 21/11/2016 23:10:38 1935868 Link
Replying To juniorjudge: "you'll find its mostly 'why didnt seamie win hurler of the year tipp whingers' moaning about this countries greatest talent....and my oul pal cue" This country's greatest talent aside.. Cue is right.. And I imagine Derek McGrath and Waterford players /management know it..it is constructive criticism and if Waterford don't take it on board, it will be another talented but wasted generation.. At the highest level, margins are fine. You need a little fine tuning to get to Tipp/KK level... bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 21/11/2016 23:15:41 1935869 Link
Replying To bennybunny: "This country's greatest talent aside.. Cue is right.. And I imagine Derek McGrath and Waterford players /management know it..it is constructive criticism and if Waterford don't take it on board, it will be another talented but wasted generation.. At the highest level, margins are fine. You need a little fine tuning to get to Tipp/KK level..." There's no body saying he isn't a serious talent. Just pointing out his biggest/only weakness. The man himself admitted the same twice during the summer in interviews so I don't see how it can be seen as sour grapes or anything of the sort. Tony Kelly has been very guilty of the same shooting in recent years but has been excellent in the Munster club. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 22/11/2016 08:18:16 1935882 Link
Tony Kelly...for every wide Gleeson hits Kelly will hit a point. PremierGold (Tipperary) - Posts: 121 - 22/11/2016 09:09:42 1935885 Link