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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "+1. Probably we should withdraw from the competition altogether until we are allowed into Leinster or until the GAA revamps the competition in such a way that we get games at an earlier stage. As a way of developing seniors it is worth diddly squat to us as things stand."
Really. Galway have nine U21 All Irelands, the same as Limerick and Clare combined. Outside of KK there has ever been one title won by all the competitors from the rest of Leinster and you are complaining about 'poor Galway's' lot

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4340 - 28/07/2016 20:40:04    1891713

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Really. Galway have nine U21 All Irelands, the same as Limerick and Clare combined. Outside of KK there has ever been one title won by all the competitors from the rest of Leinster and you are complaining about 'poor Galway's' lot"
You can keep your "poor Galway" remark.

It doesn't matter if we had 50 All Ireland U21 titles -- they are of no use to us.

Maybe in Limerick ye would be happy with U21 titles but in Galway we want to develop seniors. When you win an an U21 All Ireland you should know the quality of the players you have coming through. In our case even when we win it we don't know how good they are and if individual players have it in them to make it at senior. And then after a few years of trialling underage "stars" at senior level and failing to make the breakthrough, the media and lazy commentators puzzle over why Galway cant deliver at senior and putting it down to gutlessness and other nonsense.

No you can keep your U21 championship. It's a great competition for everyone else but it is of no use to us as it is presently constituted.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1904 - 28/07/2016 22:55:11    1891786

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Replying To therealtmo:  "He has an awful lot wrong about his game to b e honest, needs to mark up, this will be a huge problem outside of 21 grade. Needs to stop these big long runs again another problem once outside 21s and finally his biggest problem he needs to start delivering the ball to the forwards, how many wides a game does he have ? Now all this is grand but when you play at the top level against top teams every ball maters. I'm glad he didn't get sent off last night Waterford were by far the better side, I know this sounds mad but I was glad to see the better team win."
Ahhh realtmo are u for real??

juniorjudge (Waterford) - Posts: 383 - 29/07/2016 03:11:39    1891817

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "You can keep your "poor Galway" remark.

It doesn't matter if we had 50 All Ireland U21 titles -- they are of no use to us.

Maybe in Limerick ye would be happy with U21 titles but in Galway we want to develop seniors. When you win an an U21 All Ireland you should know the quality of the players you have coming through. In our case even when we win it we don't know how good they are and if individual players have it in them to make it at senior. And then after a few years of trialling underage "stars" at senior level and failing to make the breakthrough, the media and lazy commentators puzzle over why Galway cant deliver at senior and putting it down to gutlessness and other nonsense.

No you can keep your U21 championship. It's a great competition for everyone else but it is of no use to us as it is presently constituted."
Surely with full exposure to Div 1 in the league and full participation in the Leinster Championship your senior should be achieving more. You have some huge advantages at your disposal
(1) In four of your main towns, Portumna, Athenry, Gort and Loughrea, hurling is king. By contrast, at least in Limerick and indeed other hurling counties, hurling is mainly a rural pursuit
(2) Several rural clubs, across the fertile East/East, are also strong and many of them have done well in All Club Championships at different levels
(3) Galway have won several National Leagues since the start of the Century, which shows again they have strength in depth
You say U21 success mean nothing but I would very respectfully disagree. There is nothing like young fellows taking part in teams that beat teams from the main counties in competition.
No I think the main reasons for Galways failure to succeed at the very top level has more to do with problems at home that how the games are administered nationally

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4340 - 29/07/2016 09:39:32    1891847

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "Centre back is definitely his best position. He was outstanding there as a minor.

Cody wouldn't have him in his starting 15 cos he wouldn't tolerate his lack of team.

He'll be off on one of his unnecessary forays up the field and any one of Mick Fennelly, Fogarty, Larkin, Buckley or Joyce will bring it to an abrupt halt. He won't have to worry about Murphy, Holden or Lennon/Prendergast/Tyrell.

He picked up a knock against Kilkenny last year that killed Waterford's chances doing the same.

It's such a shame cos he could be legend of the game like John Keane, who is spoken about long after he is gone."
KK men don't win all those battles. Remember what happened to Ritchie Power with McNamara a few years ago. However I do admit they win most of them. However give AG a chance. He is only just 21. Wait until 'his bones have set completely' and then we will see how good he really is.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4340 - 29/07/2016 09:49:28    1891849

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Entering a National competition without playing a game at semi final level is just plain daft and it should not be tolerated.
It's high time the competition was re vamped.

Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 29/07/2016 11:31:51    1891904

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Replying To Barnowl94:  "Entering a National competition without playing a game at semi final level is just plain daft and it should not be tolerated.
It's high time the competition was re vamped."
100% on the ball well said.
If this was football and the Dubs or Kerry coming into a straight AI Semi Final we'd witness the longest thread in the history of hoganstand!!
Given the success of Galway in recent years at U21 level it's not making for much debate really as yer not winning it year on year. Just a few to keep the record books updated!!
Am I right in saying Galway hurled in the Munster U21 championship in the late 60s or early 70s?

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 29/07/2016 18:49:50    1892080

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Replying To WildPundit:  "100% on the ball well said.
If this was football and the Dubs or Kerry coming into a straight AI Semi Final we'd witness the longest thread in the history of hoganstand!!
Given the success of Galway in recent years at U21 level it's not making for much debate really as yer not winning it year on year. Just a few to keep the record books updated!!
Am I right in saying Galway hurled in the Munster U21 championship in the late 60s or early 70s?"
You are indeed. I saw them play in the Munster Minor Hurling Final of 1966. You see Munster Hurling Men were quite willing to allow Galway to participate at all levels in their competitions, but then we are a flatuil people, not like those in other provinces I could mention.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4340 - 29/07/2016 19:23:38    1892090

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Sweet Jesus are you for real? The man has just put in one of the greatest performances I've ever seen at 21 level and your moaning about a little tap, would you go away. AustinGleeson you are a freak what a player well done Waterford."
I'd go as far as saying one of the greatest performances in any grade, a masterclass.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1913 - 29/07/2016 19:59:13    1892097

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Replying To WildPundit:  "100% on the ball well said.
If this was football and the Dubs or Kerry coming into a straight AI Semi Final we'd witness the longest thread in the history of hoganstand!!
Given the success of Galway in recent years at U21 level it's not making for much debate really as yer not winning it year on year. Just a few to keep the record books updated!!
Am I right in saying Galway hurled in the Munster U21 championship in the late 60s or early 70s?"
Yes you are correct and I was at all of those games. For some reason or other during those years Waterford especially need only throw the jersey out on the field to beat them. Not been rude to Galway because they are one of my favourite teams. They are majestic when at their best.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 29/07/2016 20:14:04    1892102

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Replying To Canuck:  "Yes you are correct and I was at all of those games. For some reason or other during those years Waterford especially need only throw the jersey out on the field to beat them. Not been rude to Galway because they are one of my favourite teams. They are majestic when at their best."
They got to a few finals at minor and U21 then?
Oldtourman like yourself I wouldn't mind if Galway entered into the Munster Championship at all levels. Hurling needs to move on and I for one would like to see the U21 and Minor championships over hauled and Galway plus Antrim get a place in a round robin or something in Munster and Leinster or via another format.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 29/07/2016 22:04:40    1892134

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