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Replying To CastleBravo: "It's a nice idea to think that the GAA would survive on the club alone but it's a ridiculous one. If the inter county scene was dropped, we'd become known as the sporting organisation that committed suicide. The inter county leagues and championships earned €27 Million in gate receipts in 2015, and €20 Million in sponsorship. What will replace that funding? Unless club games ramp up to €200 a ticket, you can kiss goodbye to games development, facility improvements, and central funding for clubs and counties.
It's also the forefront of all media exposure about the GAA. 90% of media coverage, sponsorship and advertising are about county teams. Do you think huge international brands like Etihad or AIG would want to link up with local inter parish teams? The best attendances, the biggest TV audiences and the most discussion relates to the inter county game.
It'd be the equivalent of FIFA disbanding the world cup, the Euros, and all international teams in order to improve the focus on the club world cup." Its not an idea Castle that clubs would survive without the county team. They are at the moment. Clubs are paying in excess of €10k per year subs to county boards. You mention €47m in earnings from County Scene - not sure if you are involved in your local club but we see none of that. If you are involved you might go to next club AGM and have a good look at your treasurers report it might open you eyes as to where the money comes from. I am not advocating getting rid of the county scene but some sort of joined up system that can benefit both club and county. At the minute its all one way.
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Replying To Mid Don: "20k..? There isn't that at majority of county games league or championship" In fairness you wouldn't get 20k at a county final.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 29/07/2016 11:20:01
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GPA club agenda
Posters what to do ye make of the new GPA deal? Loads of fancy proposals about inter county players. However no mention of the ordinary club player. Yet again the GAA/GPA just look after the elite players of which is prob 2% of GAA players.WHY Havent GPA tackled the club structures and lack of games? One of the policies of newly elected GAA president was to tackle the issue of club fixtures. Doesn't look like anything will change??
Mullerm (Cork) - Posts:19 - 27/07/2016 10:59:07 Club players getting a deal is delusional. GPA haven't tackled the club structures and lack of games because it isn't their place to. Nothing will change about club fixtures unless club players and club coaches and delegates do something about it and something radical. A clubs players association isn't needed and would be too big and unwieldy to start any kind of movement for change.
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29,752 was the attendance for the biggest club day of the year with 4 clubs taking part. What does croker need in it to break even?
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 29/07/2016 11:27:07
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The club scene would plummet..??The club scene would grow stronger without the county. Regular fixtures, Teams at full strength for each match barring injuries, Proper structured season with defined breaks to allow players to plan their lives. The clubs would survive perfectly well without county teams.
Mid Don (Donegal) - Posts:38 - 28/07/2016 14:58:29 Club scene wouldn't at all survive perfectly well without county teams
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "The club scene would plummet..??The club scene would grow stronger without the county. Regular fixtures, Teams at full strength for each match barring injuries, Proper structured season with defined breaks to allow players to plan their lives. The clubs would survive perfectly well without county teams.
Mid Don (Donegal) - Posts:38 - 28/07/2016 14:58:29 Club scene wouldn't at all survive perfectly well without county teams" Why not.. ?
Mid Don (Donegal) - Posts: 70 - 29/07/2016 12:47:13
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Lads at the end of the day whereas the club would have some power in theory the truth is I can't imagine them getting the people's backing if there was a GPA strike, even if the issue had a detriment effect on clubs and the GAA. Look at previous strikes the players always had the backing of the people do you think the guys who are only interested in the county and not involved or have an interest in the club scene will do something that will hinder a counties success?
Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 29/07/2016 13:22:35
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Replying To Mid Don: "Where will the GPA get their members in the future if the club structure is struggling to produce them." Most counties have academies set up at U14 level upwards. Also the Cul camps to assess younger talent. Anyone that doesn't make the grade then thrown back to the clubs.....
This new 'deal' just adds to the divide being created.
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Replying To gotmilk: "29,752 was the attendance for the biggest club day of the year with 4 clubs taking part. What does croker need in it to break even?" How many thousands of club games take place every weekend?
valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1890 - 29/07/2016 14:39:01
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To be fair the biggest issue by far for Club players is the lack of a defined season, not knowing when the next Championship match is going to be etc
Yet when the GPA put in their proposal to amend the current fixtures situation and put in a new system in wasnt even considered by the GAA and even if it was when it goes to congress the "democratic" method of voting means the wishes of 4 out of every 10 people there is deemed more important than the wishes of 6 out of 10.
The new proposal would have been a huge help to Club teams defining a definite season yet wasnt even considered, its easy to have a go at the GPA but at least they tried. The GAA have been treating the ordinary Club player with disdain for years!
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1353 - 29/07/2016 14:55:22
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Agreed the GPA only represents county players and as such cannot be expected to represent or care about clubs . This is where GPA members need to dictate to GPA hierarchy to look after their clubs interests too.
However the issue is that it is in the interests of the GPA that players do not play for their clubs . Totally against the ethos of the GAA in my own opinion.
Also , as someone else alluded to - what defines a county player - someone who has the time to commit and is deemed good enough by county coaches. Very subjective.
I have already seen examples of clubs teams not picking available county players because just not deemed good enough to start . What does GPA do then ?
Finsceal (None) - Posts: 559 - 29/07/2016 16:22:47
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If clubs aren't getting a good season it's the county board's fault.
There are plenty of counties where club players are playing a load of games.
Kerry they have 2 club championships. All county leagues, regional championship and regional leagues. Meath teams play 12 league matches, 5 championship matches, with county players made available plus another cup competition for each grade. Its easier in Antrim but we play 16 league games, championship and another 2 cup competitions.
All those counties are providing proper competitions for their teams. If Kerry can do it with them perennially in the latter stages of the championship then anyone can.
Last season from the end of the National league division section on Dublin played 9 matches. From the 5th April to 20th September was 24 weeks, so 15 weeks without games for the team that went all the way in both competitions.
The current system is designed so that club championship is played around free weekends in county action. If your county isn't doing that, then it's the county boards fault and clubs can bring motions to resolve the issues.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 29/07/2016 16:40:44
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The obvious solution is for club teams to play on without county players. People are aiming their anger at the wrong people.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 29/07/2016 21:10:19
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Replying To valley84: "How many thousands of club games take place every weekend?" You misinterpreted what I was trying to say. I meant that the club game can never generate the kind of revenue the county game does.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 29/07/2016 21:11:38
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Why not.. ?
Mid Don (Donegal) - Posts:40 - 29/07/2016 12:47:13Because the resources aren't there. Club game at senior adult level and all levels of game need the income the inter county game provides for things to roll over and continue on
Most counties have academies set up at U14 level upwards. Also the Cul camps to assess younger talent. Anyone that doesn't make the grade then thrown back to the clubs.....
This new 'deal' just adds to the divide being created.
Rover_Hendrix (Sligo) - Posts:3 - 29/07/2016 14:02:09By academy you mean???? They simply have development squads from u14 up and theyre not academies to be fair.. Cul camps are not there to assess young talented players.
To be fair the biggest issue by far for Club players is the lack of a defined season, not knowing when the next Championship match is going to be etc
Yet when the GPA put in their proposal to amend the current fixtures situation and put in a new system in wasnt even considered by the GAA and even if it was when it goes to congress the "democratic" method of voting means the wishes of 4 out of every 10 people there is deemed more important than the wishes of 6 out of 10.
The new proposal would have been a huge help to Club teams defining a definite season yet wasnt even considered, its easy to have a go at the GPA but at least they tried. The GAA have been treating the ordinary Club player with disdain for years!
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts:382 - 29/07/2016 14:55:22 Lack of a defined season is the biggest issue and only club players, club delegates can solve that. Club players need to look for a proper defined season. Protest about it in the media. Boycott games to make a point etc
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/07/2016 22:20:20
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