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The county manager decides who is and isn't an intercounty player. I thought that would be obvious.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 28/07/2016 10:55:01 1891386 Link 0 |
Don' t think anybody looking for GPA to assist clubs but pushing for more county games and new championship structure will damage clubs. What club players/managers/trainers/coaches are looking for is some sort of structure to fixtures and a reduced county season. In relation to GPA members the only constant are the lads and ladies at the top who are well paid for the work.
Mid Don (Donegal) - Posts: 70 - 28/07/2016 11:14:23 1891398 Link 1 |
The GPA have power because TV deals, sponsorship deals, filling up croke park all rest on their shoulders. Without them very little happens in terms of revenue to the GAA. They are the big show. Club players have numbers but the club game is a sideshow to the intercounty game. The chances of a strike in the club game are slim. I think they should have a better defined season in the calendar but its not an easy thing to organise. After that I don't think there is too much for the club players to give out about. Intercounty players have a lot more gripes because people are making money off their work and they get a pittance plus abuse from gobsh*tes with cushy numbers on RTE. Intercounty players are a credit to this country, they provide entertainment to the masses, money to the GAA & newspapers as well as towns and cities across the country where games are held. We are lucky to have them and lucky they demand so little in return. realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 28/07/2016 11:24:36 1891404 Link 0 |
Without clubs, there is nothing. manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts: 541 - 28/07/2016 11:35:34 1891415 Link 0 |
Am I the only person that thinks that clubs should suck it up? If they don't have access to county players during the county season they should just put the head down and get on with it. You look at Rugby and there are numerous club sides who train the elite players from childhood. The rugby players return to these clubs when they can but by and large they play for their province first and foremost. Why can't gaa clubs do that? gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 28/07/2016 11:39:05 1891421 Link 0 |
The clubs should have a defined season but there's a lot of bellyaching here about the GPA and a lot of "clubs should be taken care of" with not a lot of explanation of what that means...
realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 28/07/2016 11:54:27 1891435 Link 0 |
Check my first post I've agreed with you , I've pointed out their manifesto , equally the name of the thread is relevant if fellas want to discuss , not going to change anything but that's what the forum is for.
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 28/07/2016 13:04:08 1891477 Link 0 |
Are you a GPA Member realman2..?
Mid Don (Donegal) - Posts: 70 - 28/07/2016 13:09:02 1891480 Link 0 |
Without the inter county game, the number of people playing for clubs would plummet. It's the main product the GAA have, generating the vast majority of the interest, revenue, and exposure for the games. The club and the county rely on each other. CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1648 - 28/07/2016 13:28:08 1891491 Link 0 |
Not in the least, just think its laughable the amount of abuse county players/GPA members get considering they give up their lives & freedoms to a large extent to play football with scant reward...the whole view of a lot of GAA people these days is very very warped. I think there are a lot of mini-joe brolly's around that don't have a clue what they are talking about.
realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 28/07/2016 14:32:56 1891532 Link 0 |
Try running a club/team or playing club. There is far less reward. I agree with you on the mini Joe Brollys and warped minds of some GAA supporters but the majority of these wouldn't know where their local GAA club was never mind the struggles they face. I know from playing and managing at a Senior level that players want nothing from the GPA but they could be a strong voice in relation to the fixtures problem that is endemic in every county hurling and football.
Mid Don (Donegal) - Posts: 70 - 28/07/2016 14:52:46 1891550 Link 0 |
The club scene would plummet..??The club scene would grow stronger without the county. Regular fixtures, Teams at full strength for each match barring injuries, Proper structured season with defined breaks to allow players to plan their lives. The clubs would survive perfectly well without county teams.
Mid Don (Donegal) - Posts: 70 - 28/07/2016 14:58:29 1891552 Link 0 |
The biggest Club games of the year - Senior Championship finals both Hurling & Football jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 28/07/2016 15:06:16 1891557 Link 0 |
I agree with you so. I think the club/county scene needs a defined season. At county they need a lot more fixtures condensed into a three month or so season. Perhaps the league and provincials should be done away with if it means because of them we have a season that goes from January to September. Its just too long with too many low key games between also-rans making up the numbers. Like the Football championship still hasn't really started for the teams with a view to winning it.
realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 28/07/2016 15:07:32 1891560 Link 0 |
20k..? There isn't that at majority of county games league or championship
Mid Don (Donegal) - Posts: 70 - 28/07/2016 15:26:26 1891569 Link 0 |
jimbodub is spot on there needs to be some sort of Club Players Association because at the end of the day it isn't the GPAs job to look after club players. Jackos_Wacko (Kerry) - Posts: 417 - 28/07/2016 17:25:11 1891646 Link 0 |
Finally anyone who says the inter county players aren't looked after need to take their heads out of the sand because I know 10/11 different counties pay for their players travel expenses. I know of 4 counties who are all knocked out of the race for Sam that got a meal in a local hotel after every training since the national league. All county players have free access to a gym and pool. Some get jobs or scholarships because they play for their county. Read the article about Shane Enrights day on here and tell me how tough that is. They deserve all they get because of the time they give up but its about playing games and that is were the club players suffer. realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 28/07/2016 17:49:04 1891663 Link 0 |
Clubs see very little of that money. Day to day running of clubs comes from gate receipts by the club, sponsorship by local people and businesses, and club events. Jerseys are sponsored by people or businesses. Club gear is either subsidised by somebody or the club players themselves pay for it. If a club is getting a grant off Croke Park they have to beg for it. Most club players don't get meals after training or free gym membership and certainly don't get a career or scholarship, we would be lucky to get a free pint in our local. Jackos_Wacko (Kerry) - Posts: 417 - 28/07/2016 18:41:29 1891676 Link 1 |
Jeez real man 2 you really are defending the GPA to the hilt & demonising alternative views as mini Joe Brollys & people who haven't a clue or an involvement, how naive you are. Mid Don from Donegal has made some excellent accurate points & you have dismissed him. For someone who dismisses everybody as not expanding on their points perhaps you will expand on your statement that money generated by inter county goes back into clubs. Clubs pay registration & affiliation averaging over €10K, most are not vested in the association so don't qualify for grants. Most Gaa coaching is in schools & development squads not in clubs. I would safely say that most clubs benefit zero from the inter county set up & after 30 years of active involvement at all levels I have never seen our club benefit from the Inter county scene. In Galway there is s debt of 4.5 million which was not spent or created by clubs, yet the county board wanted to levy clubs to help pay the interest. The GPA's Donal O Neill, Sean Potts & Donal Og Cusack have all being publicly quoted in the past as saying pay for play was their aim, now that they are to get 15% of total income it's only going to keep increasing & pay for play in some format is inevitable. More funds for the GPA means wherever else the money is going won't see it any more. I couldn't agree more with mid don that all clubs are looking for is regular played to schedule games, clubs are paying there way but are piss#d upon by county boards, inter county & Croke park. I totally disagree with the whole set up & it will eventually led to a split or clubs & players going to other codes.
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 28/07/2016 19:12:10 1891684 Link 1 |
It's a nice idea to think that the GAA would survive on the club alone but it's a ridiculous one. If the inter county scene was dropped, we'd become known as the sporting organisation that committed suicide. The inter county leagues and championships earned €27 Million in gate receipts in 2015, and €20 Million in sponsorship. What will replace that funding? Unless club games ramp up to €200 a ticket, you can kiss goodbye to games development, facility improvements, and central funding for clubs and counties. It's also the forefront of all media exposure about the GAA. 90% of media coverage, sponsorship and advertising are about county teams. Do you think huge international brands like Etihad or AIG would want to link up with local inter parish teams? The best attendances, the biggest TV audiences and the most discussion relates to the inter county game. It'd be the equivalent of FIFA disbanding the world cup, the Euros, and all international teams in order to improve the focus on the club world cup. CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1648 - 28/07/2016 20:10:02 1891701 Link 1 |