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There was nothing lucky about Kerry in 97 and 14. Even if other teams underperformed they still weren't lucky to win those games. Lucky is when an opposing team is robbed by a freak incident or refereeing decision that is the deciding factor in a match. Posters are just naming random teams that won in a certain year, that isn't luck.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 26/07/2016 14:01:54 1890392 Link 0 |
A sure it was I mean we 'only' beat Mayo who did they beat to get to a final, surely not Tyrone???????
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 26/07/2016 14:14:05 1890401 Link 0 |
So you are backing up my post saying Dublin never got lucky or the benefit of refereeing decisions helping them win Sam. Thanks for clarifying that CD KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 26/07/2016 14:19:37 1890407 Link 0 |
Go onto youtube and rewatch the first half of the 2007 All Ireland final, you might see a very similar goal scored by the same man. Now the casual observer of Kieran Donaghy like yourself can dismiss his goal in 2014 as a fluke, pure luck. However if your seeing him play 8-10 times a year in the Kerry full forward line like some of us you might notice that he is a player who always hedged his bets with the opposition kick out, went closing down angles etc, on the off chance something like this would happen. And see the reward: 2 vital goals in 2 All-Ireland Ireland's we won. Luck or the poachers instinct? TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 26/07/2016 14:31:53 1890418 Link 0 |
Flaker you telling me they weren't unbelievably lucky against Mayo in '14? clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 26/07/2016 14:36:13 1890423 Link 0 |
Unfortunately Neverright that is true. Easier to put other teams success down to good luck and our bad luck than do something proactive to make us a better team.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7359 - 26/07/2016 14:55:32 1890437 Link 0 |
Mayo ahead by 5 with 5 left the first day and ahead by 7 in the replay and still lost. Dreadful game management cost Mayo, nothing to do with luck. If Mayo were ahead in injury time and got screwed over by the referee either day by a decision that cost them the game I would say it might have something to do with luck. Kerry went on to win the final and there was nothing lucky about that. I will say it again, posters need to change what they view as luck.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 26/07/2016 14:57:20 1890441 Link 1 |
+1
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7868 - 26/07/2016 15:57:12 1890480 Link 0 |
As I said, freak occurrence.
greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 427 - 26/07/2016 16:50:55 1890515 Link 0 |
The only bad luck that day in Limerick was Cillian and Aidan clashing head's and both having to go off. That said by then we had let Kerry back into it. Anyway the first day I can still see Moran kicking that big ball from under the Hogan into arms in the air Donaghy....he of course caught it and layed it to JOD and it ended in a draw. I was curing leaving Croke Park that day, while many Mayo fans were happy with the draw....I was thinking we won't get Kerry in a replay...no way. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11236 - 26/07/2016 16:53:28 1890517 Link 0 |
There are none so blind as those who don't wish to see...
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 26/07/2016 16:55:25 1890518 Link 0 |
The best team usually wins the All-Ireland,but any team who wins it normally needs a bit of luck to do it. ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 26/07/2016 16:58:24 1890522 Link 0 |
I was going ti put this one in my original post but I was afraid someone would track me down for such an insult! I thought mentioning the 2011 final was bad enough. I don't think Charlie touched the ball after he was sent off in 95 in fairness.... gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 990 - 26/07/2016 17:01:20 1890525 Link 0 |
The saw doctors should revamp thier song and put that in it. :) gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 990 - 26/07/2016 17:05:04 1890530 Link 0 |
The Hermit. Fair point and you also had Cooper at the top of his game that season. But we met Mayo after being a bit jaded going the scenic route. That's the problem with playing in Ulster. Tyrone were knocked out by Donegal. Donegal were knocked out by Armagh who perhaps should have won another All Ireland but were knocked out by Fermanagh. A safer route that year and I'd say either Tyrone or Armagh would have done better.
tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 26/07/2016 18:13:57 1890574 Link 0 |
Two good games in Croker that day. Fermanagh beat Armagh and ourselves and yerselves.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7359 - 26/07/2016 19:46:04 1890611 Link 0 |
Fermanagh were taken to a replay in the semi-final because of a poor decision by the ref. Mortimer was given a 20m free when he was actually fouling the ball, for the equaliser. In the final, Kerry targeted the full-back and destroyed him. Had Fermanagh made it through, Kerry could not have used this tactic as Fermanagh had the best full-back in the game at that time. They probably would have won anyway as the occasion might have got to Fermanagh. Because of the way Fermanagh played that year and their behaviour despite the way in which Armagh and Mayo targeted their star midfielder, McGrath and despite a referee's decision, I have always had a soft spot for them since. ( Ironic that they again suffered from poor referring again against Mayo this year)
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 26/07/2016 20:19:47 1890629 Link 0 |
Bray Emmett's 1902 All Ireland on behalf of Dublin was a cheap lucky one. Should have been Wicklow's first All Ireland!! Wicklowman (Wicklow) - Posts: 1138 - 26/07/2016 22:23:23 1890694 Link 1 |
To the best of my knowledge Bray Emmett's pitch is in Co. Dublin so maybe that's why the Dubs claimed that All Ireland title.
OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 26/07/2016 22:45:00 1890702 Link 0 |
Do (Did?) Bray Emmett's play in Dublin or Wicklow Championship ?
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1356 - 27/07/2016 14:39:44 1890970 Link 0 |