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Is no lucky all-irelands a myth?

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Replying To OLLIE: "The Hermit there is a bit of truth in that but the real reason is that the Kerry team were afraid to play the mighty Wee County." Yerra we got your monkey off our back finally in 1913, the Croke Cup final the greatest game in the GAA's history! TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 26/07/2016 09:58:39 1890165 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "Kerry lads always get very sensitive when the term "lucky/soft All Ireland" is banded around... Funny that." Dubs refusing to believe they might ever been luck involved in any of their titles, funnier that. TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 26/07/2016 09:59:58 1890167 Link
Replying To Mullerm: "nothing lucky about 2010 we won it on merit." As the great Paidi said, only Cork could win an All-Ireland without beating us! TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 26/07/2016 10:01:51 1890168 Link
Of course there is an element of luck involved in winning most All-Ireland's, whether it is on final day or in games leading up to the final. Too often this 'luck' is down to getting the benefit of horrific decisions by referees. I think you could say refs have 'won' more All-Ireland than any team. neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 26/07/2016 10:04:01 1890169 Link
Replying To Superglue: "Yep spot on. All Ireland champions should be determined on a league basis not on a cup knock out basis. Any of the provincial champions for example could have a off day/ shafted by a poor decisions and they're gone. Not a fair system at all but going to stay as the provincial councils won't agree to anything else. Does any other sport determine its champions by a cup knock out? county man (Limerick) - 25/07/2016 21:13:15 Most sports have a cup, e.g FA cup, competition and league competition. Unlike the others we put a much higher value on the championship at all levels. League format will never replace that." A league could never replace the excitement and intensity of knockout competitions. There'd be a lot of cagey tactical draws and the later rounds would have games with nothing to play for. The more teams prepare the luckier they get, to paraphrase someone, I don't know who. The top teams seem to have more luck only because they are winners and rivals sometimes put their success down to luck rather than something lacking in their own team. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7359 - 26/07/2016 10:21:27 1890178 Link
I think if Clare had not won in 13 they would not have won one. Not meaning to discredit them as you can only beat what is in front of you, but bar Shefflin being sent off in the semi final Kilkenny would have won that All-Ireland as well! Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 26/07/2016 10:26:28 1890181 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "How am I anti? Cause I said you's were lucky in '14 or cause I said we beat you by ten plus points in the league final? I've stated a million times on here Gooch is the greatest forward I've ever seen , A lot of the time hermit gives us stick so I give it back. No one on here gets more stick than Dublin so we have to give it back." It would be great to win an All-Ireland without any luck whatsoever, pity we couldn't be like Dublin who never get a lucky break or refereeing call on their way to winning Sam, then we'd be respected at last In the words of the Saw Doctors 'To win just once'..... KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 26/07/2016 11:01:22 1890213 Link
I've said we got lucky and I've praise the Kerry team of the 00's over and over on here , are we not allowed say anything bad about Kerry at all ?ffs clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 26/07/2016 11:24:08 1890238 Link
They're a very sensitive bunch clondalkin don't you know you're not allowed to give any criticism, constructive or otherwise about them keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 26/07/2016 11:36:41 1890250 Link
Yet anytime the words 2011 and Joe McQuillan and training games are mentioned ye go into a tizzy KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 26/07/2016 11:39:44 1890255 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "A league could never replace the excitement and intensity of knockout competitions. There'd be a lot of cagey tactical draws and the later rounds would have games with nothing to play for. The more teams prepare the luckier they get, to paraphrase someone, I don't know who. The top teams seem to have more luck only because they are winners and rivals sometimes put their success down to luck rather than something lacking in their own team." Some Mayo supporters might not agree with you neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 26/07/2016 12:10:05 1890287 Link
Replying To TheHermit: "Yerra we got your monkey off our back finally in 1913, the Croke Cup final the greatest game in the GAA's history!" The only time Louth beat Kerry in the Championship was in the 1950 All Ireland semi-final. That was the Wee Monkey of our backs as well. OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 26/07/2016 12:22:19 1890301 Link
Lucky All Irelands is a myth especially now every team gets two chances if they need them before the quarter final stage. Last team standing is the best team. If a good team gets knocked out early they weren't good enough in that given year, especially as they have the qualifiers to fall back on after an early Championship exit. REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1617 - 26/07/2016 12:36:12 1890315 Link
That McQuillan thing was a lie it never happened, Kerry were 4 points up and we came back and snuck it by a point , I wouldn't say lucky I'd say Kerry were the better team on the day they were still young had an unbelievable team with massive experience of all Ireland finals but we had a never say dead attitude that year and in the end we just about deserved it imo. Just like Kerry deserved to win in 00 04 06 07 09 that was a great Kerry team but imo the 97 and 14 Kerry teams weren't all Ireland calibre teams they got very lucky to win Sam them years. For me the mayo team of the last 5 years is definitely an all Ireland calibre team but just haven't got over the line. These are my honest opinions I'm not here to bash anyone I'm a lover of Gaelic football. You can come back and say "so what we won in 97 and 14" and your right that's all that matters really. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 26/07/2016 12:36:32 1890316 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "That McQuillan thing was a lie it never happened, Kerry were 4 points up and we came back and snuck it by a point , I wouldn't say lucky I'd say Kerry were the better team on the day they were still young had an unbelievable team with massive experience of all Ireland finals but we had a never say dead attitude that year and in the end we just about deserved it imo. Just like Kerry deserved to win in 00 04 06 07 09 that was a great Kerry team but imo the 97 and 14 Kerry teams weren't all Ireland calibre teams they got very lucky to win Sam them years. For me the mayo team of the last 5 years is definitely an all Ireland calibre team but just haven't got over the line. These are my honest opinions I'm not here to bash anyone I'm a lover of Gaelic football. You can come back and say "so what we won in 97 and 14" and your right that's all that matters really." Clondalkin that's the stupidest argument I've heard on here in a good while, IF A TEAM WINS THE ALL-IRELAND HOW CAN THEY NOT BE ALL-IRELAND CALIBER WINNING TEAMS!!! Just to put it to bed: 2014 I sense you think Dublin had some divine right to win the back to back in 2014 despite not even reaching the final after being outplayed and outfought, pretty comfortably in the end, by Donegal. Kerry annihilated Cork, a team that topped Division 1 in the Munster final, playing some of the best attacking football I've ever seen from a Kerry team. In particular, IMO it was Declan O'Sullivan's greatest performance in a Kerry jersey. They had two hard games against the best Mayo side I've ever seen, they got over them, riding their luck on occasion but also displaying heart, resilience and a never say die attitude. The replay is rightly regarded as one of the games of the last decade, it had everything and it's a day that will live long in my memory. They then managed to beat Donegal in the final, no classic for sure, but a game Kerry controlled pretty well throughout. So to win the All-Ireland in 2014 we beat the team that topped Division 1, and 2 of the other top 3 counties in the country. 1997 Looking back I think you are doing something history students like myself were always warned was a cardinal sin: projecting the circumstances of the 'now' onto the conditions and contexts of the 'then' Cavan were Ulster Champions Mayo were Connacht champions, the best team in the province at the time and a team that was a whisker from winning the All-Ireland the year before. 1997 was hard fought, hard won and when you have Maurice Fitzgerald on your team, luck is an irrelevance. TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 26/07/2016 13:04:59 1890344 Link
Kerry have had quite a few soft/lucky All Irelands. Automatically starting in the Munster Semi Final is good for a start, usually against a Division 3 or 4 team. Then with the way draw is run they sometimes end up facing the same teams again as this year. Usually have a nice rest before the Quarter Finals. 2004 was a pretty soft All Ireland for example. tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 26/07/2016 13:06:13 1890346 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "That McQuillan thing was a lie it never happened, Kerry were 4 points up and we came back and snuck it by a point , I wouldn't say lucky I'd say Kerry were the better team on the day they were still young had an unbelievable team with massive experience of all Ireland finals but we had a never say dead attitude that year and in the end we just about deserved it imo. Just like Kerry deserved to win in 00 04 06 07 09 that was a great Kerry team but imo the 97 and 14 Kerry teams weren't all Ireland calibre teams they got very lucky to win Sam them years. For me the mayo team of the last 5 years is definitely an all Ireland calibre team but just haven't got over the line. These are my honest opinions I'm not here to bash anyone I'm a lover of Gaelic football. You can come back and say "so what we won in 97 and 14" and your right that's all that matters really." Clondalkin that's the stupidest argument I've heard on here in a good while, IF A TEAM WINS THE ALL-IRELAND HOW CAN THEY NOT BE ALL-IRELAND CALIBER WINNING TEAMS!!! Just to put it to bed: 2014 I sense you think Dublin had some divine right to win the back to back in 2014 despite not even reaching the final after being outplayed and outfought, pretty comfortably in the end, by Donegal. Kerry annihilated Cork, a team that topped Division 1 in the Munster final, playing some of the best attacking football I've ever seen from a Kerry team. In particular, IMO it was Declan O'Sullivan's greatest performance in a Kerry jersey. They had two hard games against the best Mayo side I've ever seen, they got over them, riding their luck on occasion but also displaying heart, resilience and a never say die attitude. The replay is rightly regarded as one of the games of the last decade, it had everything and it's a day that will live long in my memory. They then managed to beat Donegal in the final, no classic for sure, but a game Kerry controlled pretty well throughout. So to win the All-Ireland in 2014 we beat the team that topped Division 1, and 2 of the other top 3 counties in the country. 1997 Looking back I think you are doing something history students like myself were always warned was a cardinal sin: projecting the circumstances of the 'now' onto the conditions and contexts of the 'then' Cavan were Ulster Champions Mayo were Connacht champions, the best team in the province at the time and a team that was a whisker from winning the All-Ireland the year before. 1997 was hard fought, hard won and when you have Maurice Fitzgerald on your team, luck is an irrelevance. TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts:1561 - 26/07/2016 13:04:59 1890344 The first time Kerry used a sweeper in their blanket defense. he mopped everything that day. Unreal performance. Our forwards didnt get snuff of ball Mullerm (Cork) - Posts: 87 - 26/07/2016 13:09:10 1890351 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "That McQuillan thing was a lie it never happened, Kerry were 4 points up and we came back and snuck it by a point , I wouldn't say lucky I'd say Kerry were the better team on the day they were still young had an unbelievable team with massive experience of all Ireland finals but we had a never say dead attitude that year and in the end we just about deserved it imo. Just like Kerry deserved to win in 00 04 06 07 09 that was a great Kerry team but imo the 97 and 14 Kerry teams weren't all Ireland calibre teams they got very lucky to win Sam them years. For me the mayo team of the last 5 years is definitely an all Ireland calibre team but just haven't got over the line. These are my honest opinions I'm not here to bash anyone I'm a lover of Gaelic football. You can come back and say "so what we won in 97 and 14" and your right that's all that matters really." There was nothing lucky about Kerry in 97 and 14. Even if other teams underperformed they still weren't lucky to win those games. Lucky is when an opposing team is robbed by a freak incident or refereeing decision that is the deciding factor in a match. Posters are just naming random teams that won in a certain year, that isn't luck. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 26/07/2016 13:43:27 1890379 Link
I've said my piece, that's my opinion your giving it your opinion which i totally disagree with but if we all agreed on everything it would be a boring world, but please stop with the Kerry bashing rubbish that everyone is picking on you cause we have different opinions on lucky all Ireland's ffs. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 26/07/2016 13:53:07 1890386 Link
Replying To TheHermit: "Clondalkin that's the stupidest argument I've heard on here in a good while, IF A TEAM WINS THE ALL-IRELAND HOW CAN THEY NOT BE ALL-IRELAND CALIBER WINNING TEAMS!!! Just to put it to bed: 2014 I sense you think Dublin had some divine right to win the back to back in 2014 despite not even reaching the final after being outplayed and outfought, pretty comfortably in the end, by Donegal. Kerry annihilated Cork, a team that topped Division 1 in the Munster final, playing some of the best attacking football I've ever seen from a Kerry team. In particular, IMO it was Declan O'Sullivan's greatest performance in a Kerry jersey. They had two hard games against the best Mayo side I've ever seen, they got over them, riding their luck on occasion but also displaying heart, resilience and a never say die attitude. The replay is rightly regarded as one of the games of the last decade, it had everything and it's a day that will live long in my memory. They then managed to beat Donegal in the final, no classic for sure, but a game Kerry controlled pretty well throughout. So to win the All-Ireland in 2014 we beat the team that topped Division 1, and 2 of the other top 3 counties in the country. 1997 Looking back I think you are doing something history students like myself were always warned was a cardinal sin: projecting the circumstances of the 'now' onto the conditions and contexts of the 'then' Cavan were Ulster Champions Mayo were Connacht champions, the best team in the province at the time and a team that was a whisker from winning the All-Ireland the year before. 1997 was hard fought, hard won and when you have Maurice Fitzgerald on your team, luck is an irrelevance." If a team has to rely on a freak goal to get over the line in an All-Ireland final then it wasn't a game they controlled pretty well throughout. greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 427 - 26/07/2016 13:58:09 1890388 Link