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Replying To jimbodub: "Ok so Breff You're sticking with that, no harm it's hard to back down from your initial ignorant input alright," Forgot to put in a ;) jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 25/07/2016 15:22:27 1889791 Link
Back door format or not the Tyrone team of the 00's would have 90's Down team chasing shadows by the 60 minute mark. SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 25/07/2016 15:30:50 1889801 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "Not really All the back door has really done is to benefit the best teams.. both Kerry and Tyrone profited greatly from it Don't forget.. These extra games also allowed teams to put their troubles right, try out new things, build belief again and also give players game time, match fitness, sharpness, Tyrone cake walked most of those extra games and built up momentum Provincial winners had to sit around for up to 4-5 weeks without kicking a ball while the likes of Tyrone were getting match sharp and focused. There are plenty of advantages of coming through the back door for the better teams, which has been proven." 2005 was 1 back door match and that was the infamous game where Stephen O Neill and Peter Canavan were given reds for nothing! 2008 was another story, we didn't look like contenders at all until we smashed Dublin, struggling past Westmeath, Mayo game was won from a sideline ball going over the bar at the death! I know you'd like to believe but I don't think any level of sharpness or bluntness can constitute a 15 point hammering Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 25/07/2016 15:31:25 1889803 Link
tyrone for me..that kerry team of the noughties and armagh were exceptional sides and tyrone beat both of them beating kerry 3 times and armagh twice...the dubs werent exactly a bad side most years either alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 25/07/2016 15:35:45 1889806 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "Ok so Breff You're sticking with that, no harm it's hard to back down from your initial ignorant input alright," Ah get over yourself. I think Tyrone are the best Ulster team over the last 30 years and most Ulster people would agree with me. I don't need to go into long-winded explainations just for you Jimbo. Tyrone had the best players and the most success. They are the best. If the question was who is your favourite then fire away pick Down or whoever. This is clearly just another thread to highlight this back-door champions hobby horse of yours. Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 25/07/2016 15:38:07 1889811 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "Ok so Breff You're sticking with that, no harm it's hard to back down from your initial ignorant input alright," Tyrone for me The back door argument works two ways - Yes a side cant afford a slip up under the old format but it also thinned out the opposition you needed to overcome in the last 2 games - versus having to win 3 games now versus opposition that is fairly consistently amongst the top 8 If you take 1991 - The last 4 were Kerry/Meath/Down & Roscommon The old system took out 1992 AI finalists Dublin, 1990/1992 Ulster champions &1992 AI champions Donegal/1989 Finalists Mayo/1990 AI Champions Cork/1993 AI champions Derry. In fact if you go back to that era there was possibly 8 realistic AI contenders in 1991 - Mayo/Cork/Kerry/Dublin/Donegal/Down/Derry/Meath In summary it would have been much harder to win the AI if you had 3 knockout games from the above 8 rather than 2 ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 25/07/2016 15:38:34 1889812 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "Ok so Breff You're sticking with that, no harm it's hard to back down from your initial ignorant input alright," With respect you're a Leinster man saying that a Cavan man is ignorant of his own provincial championship - highly ignorant from yourself IMO. IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 25/07/2016 15:43:07 1889816 Link
Replying To Seansy48: "2005 was 1 back door match and that was the infamous game where Stephen O Neill and Peter Canavan were given reds for nothing! 2008 was another story, we didn't look like contenders at all until we smashed Dublin, struggling past Westmeath, Mayo game was won from a sideline ball going over the bar at the death! I know you'd like to believe but I don't think any level of sharpness or bluntness can constitute a 15 point hammering" Sorry I meant to write following the infamous game with the red cards Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 25/07/2016 15:54:07 1889821 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "Forgot to put in a ;)" Well cross posting means my last post is a bit harsh! :) Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 25/07/2016 15:56:49 1889825 Link
Replying To Breffni39: "Ah get over yourself. I think Tyrone are the best Ulster team over the last 30 years and most Ulster people would agree with me. I don't need to go into long-winded explainations just for you Jimbo. Tyrone had the best players and the most success. They are the best. If the question was who is your favourite then fire away pick Down or whoever. This is clearly just another thread to highlight this back-door champions hobby horse of yours." Oh I'm well over myself Breff. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 25/07/2016 15:59:25 1889826 Link
Replying To Breffni39: "Ah get over yourself. I think Tyrone are the best Ulster team over the last 30 years and most Ulster people would agree with me. I don't need to go into long-winded explainations just for you Jimbo. Tyrone had the best players and the most success. They are the best. If the question was who is your favourite then fire away pick Down or whoever. This is clearly just another thread to highlight this back-door champions hobby horse of yours." Ahh Now Breff Don't be getting all angry jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 25/07/2016 16:02:15 1889828 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "Ahh Now Breff Don't be getting all angry" Oh I'm absolutely fuming here Jimbo, you've done me good and proper once again! Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 25/07/2016 16:06:11 1889832 Link
Replying To Seansy48: "2005 was 1 back door match and that was the infamous game where Stephen O Neill and Peter Canavan were given reds for nothing! 2008 was another story, we didn't look like contenders at all until we smashed Dublin, struggling past Westmeath, Mayo game was won from a sideline ball going over the bar at the death! I know you'd like to believe but I don't think any level of sharpness or bluntness can constitute a 15 point hammering" That Dublin team were finished after 2007... all down hill from there I mean.. did you see how rubbish they were on the day compared to the game they gave you in 2005 Sure Kerry and Meath did the same the next two years... Until Gilroy realised that a sea change was required, Dublin setup far more tactically and beat a much fancied Tyrone side in 2010 who had just cake walked Ulster, kicking scores from all over the pitch against Monaghan. They came to CP with great confidence after Dublin shipped such a hiding against Meath only a few weeks earlier. You see what the back door advantage can bring.... you boys sitting around doing nothing while Dublin learned their lessons, changed players, moved things around, got a couple of encouraging wins and match sharp/ fitness ... and then knocked out the Ulster Champions and a heavy favourite Tyrone side... can you see certain similarities starting to form? jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 25/07/2016 16:11:02 1889837 Link
Replying To Breffni39: "Oh I'm absolutely fuming here Jimbo, you've done me good and proper once again!" Hahaha... ;) No you honestly seemed to be fairly spitting venom there in fairness Breff "I don't need to go into lengthy explanations to you Jimbo" etc. etc... "get over yourself" I don't believe I was ever "over myself" if anyone seemed to have a pompous attitude it was yourself. But hey... meh. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 25/07/2016 16:14:49 1889840 Link
Replying To Breffni39: "Well cross posting means my last post is a bit harsh! :)" Haha It was a bit alright But that wasn't helped by me. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 25/07/2016 16:16:44 1889841 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "That Dublin team were finished after 2007... all down hill from there I mean.. did you see how rubbish they were on the day compared to the game they gave you in 2005 Sure Kerry and Meath did the same the next two years... Until Gilroy realised that a sea change was required, Dublin setup far more tactically and beat a much fancied Tyrone side in 2010 who had just cake walked Ulster, kicking scores from all over the pitch against Monaghan. They came to CP with great confidence after Dublin shipped such a hiding against Meath only a few weeks earlier. You see what the back door advantage can bring.... you boys sitting around doing nothing while Dublin learned their lessons, changed players, moved things around, got a couple of encouraging wins and match sharp/ fitness ... and then knocked out the Ulster Champions and a heavy favourite Tyrone side... can you see certain similarities starting to form?" Dublin didn't beat tyrone in 2011 after winning leinster. In 2010 they lost to meath after beating wexford in leinster and then went through back door where they beat tipperary, armagh, louth and tyrone. Adamski (Dublin) - Posts: 339 - 25/07/2016 16:19:43 1889845 Link
Replying To Donegalman: "Tyrone, Down, Donegal, Armagh, Derry in that order." In all fairness, I do not think you can put Donegal ahead of the same Armagh team that won 7 out of 10 Ulster titles. That was also an exceptional team that were perhaps slightly unlucky that the back door came around when it did. I remember watching the 05 semi final in a London pub, Tyrone just got over the line, but if people are saying that was the best Ulster team in 30 years, well on that day and during that years 2 Ulster finals, Armagh were right up there alongside them. A touch of class from Canavan settled it, but the two teams were neck and neck. People remember All Irelands so Armagh will be seen as slightly below the best, but in my opinion they are certainly just in behind the Down 91-94, and Tyrone's 00s team. I do not think the Donegal early 90s or McGuiness's Donegal got to the same consistent standards as Armagh from 99-08, it was some team. sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 25/07/2016 16:21:13 1889847 Link
Replying To Adamski: "Dublin didn't beat tyrone in 2011 after winning leinster. In 2010 they lost to meath after beating wexford in leinster and then went through back door where they beat tipperary, armagh, louth and tyrone." I know, fairly sure I didn't claim that jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 25/07/2016 16:25:33 1889854 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "That Dublin team were finished after 2007... all down hill from there I mean.. did you see how rubbish they were on the day compared to the game they gave you in 2005 Sure Kerry and Meath did the same the next two years... Until Gilroy realised that a sea change was required, Dublin setup far more tactically and beat a much fancied Tyrone side in 2010 who had just cake walked Ulster, kicking scores from all over the pitch against Monaghan. They came to CP with great confidence after Dublin shipped such a hiding against Meath only a few weeks earlier. You see what the back door advantage can bring.... you boys sitting around doing nothing while Dublin learned their lessons, changed players, moved things around, got a couple of encouraging wins and match sharp/ fitness ... and then knocked out the Ulster Champions and a heavy favourite Tyrone side... can you see certain similarities starting to form?" Jimbo it was a truely sad day in 2010, what'd we hit like 26 wides or something along those lines. Bad day at the office i'd call it. 2011 was a true masterclass from Dublin, Connolly's best ever performance in my opinion with 7 points from play, we were truely off the pace once and for all and it was time for a lot of the legends to go! Much like yourselves in 2008 we could have entered through the secret door or the magic door or whatever door but we still wouldn't have won that match. My father told me after the match we were well off today and it looks like we won't be challenging again for a long time, unfortunately he was right as the following 4 years showed all to clearly Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 25/07/2016 16:36:30 1889863 Link
Q.The Best Ulster side of the last 30 years? A. Crossmaglen downredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 567 - 25/07/2016 16:41:25 1889867 Link