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The Best Ulster side of the last 30 years?

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "I will just comment that I have seen all the great teams since the late fifties and the Down team of the sixties, with the O'Neills, McCartans, Doherty, Lennon among other fine stars, were the most exciting and naturally talented side I ever saw. I know this was not in the past thirty years, but I am just making that observation."
Well said they were Ulster's best
ever side both in terms of stats,
natural talent and playing ability.
( 3 All Irelands, 6 Ulsters, 10 Ulster
finals, 3 NFLs). Galway had a great
three in a row side in that era too.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1617 - 29/07/2016 13:24:35    1891978

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Replying To bad.monkey:  "
Replying To achara:  "[quote=bad.monkey:  "[quote=Thomas Clarke:  "Thomas Clarke: "Under the old system, Tyrone would now be facing Galway in an AI semi-final.

Under the new system, Tyrone will probably have to beat a very dangerous Mayo side, before we would be able to progress to play Galway in the semi.

Which is path would be more difficult for Tyrone?"

Equally under the old system Donegal would be out. Under the new system they are in a quater final. Which would you prefer?
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts:4151 - 28/07/2016 13:40:18 1


Not really sure of the relevance of your question - we're debating the level of difficulty, not preference.

I think the point has been made (by myself and many others) that it is more difficult to win an AI now than it was in the pre-qualifier era. My example above illustrates it clearly."
It was a simple point. Why use an example when you could look at Tyrone in 05 and 08. They would have been knocked out under the old system. Hardly easier. But it seems you have your head buried in the sand on this one. Agree to disagree"
Do you not think kerry found it harder with the back door in 05?"]I see your point Achara and yes Kerry did find it more difficult. The backdoor made winning the All Ireland more difficult for teams in less competitive provinces ie Kerry and less difficult for teams from more competitive provinces like Ulster - Down got no 2nd chances in an incredibly competive Ulster unlike Tyrone in 05 & 08 (and standard was lower in Ulster in these years compared to 91-94 where 3 different Ulster winners won the All Ireland each year). Two excellent teams but for me its Down team 91-94 as they won in a much stronger football era with no second chances"]But at the same time if derry or donegal had the backdoor down might have won nothing in 91 or 94, i think there's an argument to be made for both sides, impossible to tell of 1 is easier than the other!

achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 562 - 29/07/2016 13:30:41    1891981

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Replying To achara:  "
Replying To bad.monkey:  "[quote=achara:  "[quote=bad.monkey:  "[quote=Thomas Clarke:  "Thomas Clarke: "Under the old system, Tyrone would now be facing Galway in an AI semi-final.

Under the new system, Tyrone will probably have to beat a very dangerous Mayo side, before we would be able to progress to play Galway in the semi.

Which is path would be more difficult for Tyrone?"

Equally under the old system Donegal would be out. Under the new system they are in a quater final. Which would you prefer?
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts:4151 - 28/07/2016 13:40:18 1


Not really sure of the relevance of your question - we're debating the level of difficulty, not preference.

I think the point has been made (by myself and many others) that it is more difficult to win an AI now than it was in the pre-qualifier era. My example above illustrates it clearly."
It was a simple point. Why use an example when you could look at Tyrone in 05 and 08. They would have been knocked out under the old system. Hardly easier. But it seems you have your head buried in the sand on this one. Agree to disagree"
Do you not think kerry found it harder with the back door in 05?"]I see your point Achara and yes Kerry did find it more difficult. The backdoor made winning the All Ireland more difficult for teams in less competitive provinces ie Kerry and less difficult for teams from more competitive provinces like Ulster - Down got no 2nd chances in an incredibly competive Ulster unlike Tyrone in 05 & 08 (and standard was lower in Ulster in these years compared to 91-94 where 3 different Ulster winners won the All Ireland each year). Two excellent teams but for me its Down team 91-94 as they won in a much stronger football era with no second chances"]But at the same time if derry or donegal had the backdoor down might have won nothing in 91 or 94, i think there's an argument to be made for both sides, impossible to tell of 1 is easier than the other!"]Very true but good fun to discuss all the same. Both excellent teams. What im sure we all can agree on is that the current Dublin team is the greatest of all time!!! ;)

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 29/07/2016 14:22:50    1891992

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Replying To bad.monkey:  "
Replying To achara:  "[quote=bad.monkey:  "[quote=achara:  "[quote=bad.monkey:  "[quote=Thomas Clarke:  "Thomas Clarke: "Under the old system, Tyrone would now be facing Galway in an AI semi-final.

Under the new system, Tyrone will probably have to beat a very dangerous Mayo side, before we would be able to progress to play Galway in the semi.

Which is path would be more difficult for Tyrone?"

Equally under the old system Donegal would be out. Under the new system they are in a quater final. Which would you prefer?
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts:4151 - 28/07/2016 13:40:18 1


Not really sure of the relevance of your question - we're debating the level of difficulty, not preference.

I think the point has been made (by myself and many others) that it is more difficult to win an AI now than it was in the pre-qualifier era. My example above illustrates it clearly."
It was a simple point. Why use an example when you could look at Tyrone in 05 and 08. They would have been knocked out under the old system. Hardly easier. But it seems you have your head buried in the sand on this one. Agree to disagree"
Do you not think kerry found it harder with the back door in 05?"]I see your point Achara and yes Kerry did find it more difficult. The backdoor made winning the All Ireland more difficult for teams in less competitive provinces ie Kerry and less difficult for teams from more competitive provinces like Ulster - Down got no 2nd chances in an incredibly competive Ulster unlike Tyrone in 05 & 08 (and standard was lower in Ulster in these years compared to 91-94 where 3 different Ulster winners won the All Ireland each year). Two excellent teams but for me its Down team 91-94 as they won in a much stronger football era with no second chances"]But at the same time if derry or donegal had the backdoor down might have won nothing in 91 or 94, i think there's an argument to be made for both sides, impossible to tell of 1 is easier than the other!"]Very true but good fun to discuss all the same. Both excellent teams. What im sure we all can agree on is that the current Dublin team is the greatest of all time!!! ;)"]Ya gave me a good laugh,ya get a like for that!

achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 562 - 29/07/2016 14:52:10    1892002

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "Yeah not every game was great but
every team went out to attack. They
didn't play one or two forwards in
the forward line like is common place
nowadays and you would never have
seen the numbers of players in defence
that you do now.

But some people like modern defensive
football and they are entitled to their
opinion."
Would you stop, every Tyrone team comes out to attack it's just that in this day and age of the game the difference between attack and defense and what you should be doing in either circumstance is defined and the defensive aspect is more effective.

You can only attack with the ball in hand, I don't get why that's such an issue.

I mean you can go ahead and attack without the ball but you're going to lose a lot of matches that way

Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 29/07/2016 15:06:14    1892010

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Ulster has destroyed Gaelic Football fulstop

culmore (None) - Posts: 1398 - 29/07/2016 23:23:09    1892161

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Replying To culmore:  "Ulster has destroyed Gaelic Football fulstop"
Slowly destroying hurling too hehehe

achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 562 - 30/07/2016 07:54:52    1892186

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Replying To towngoal:  "The Derry team of the 90s have to be considered. Incredibly consistent, they left a lot behind them in the championship. Won four League titles + the All-Ireland. Great article on the Ulster success in early 90s

Good" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.balls.ie/gaa/340889/340889"
Good article. When you look back on it it was amazing collective achievement to have a Provence to win 4 all Ireland's in a row with 3 different counties contributing, doubt it will never happen again, and it possibly could have been better, Tryone really should have got a replay in 1995, the call the referee made in disallowing what would have the tieing point was very harsh (although that Dublin team deserved a break at that stage).

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1354 - 30/07/2016 08:29:17    1892188

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "I will just comment that I have seen all the great teams since the late fifties and the Down team of the sixties, with the O'Neills, McCartans, Doherty, Lennon among other fine stars, were the most exciting and naturally talented side I ever saw. I know this was not in the past thirty years, but I am just making that observation."
My father and his brothers often says the similar stuff about that team. They seem to have captured publics imagination more than other Gaelic football teams.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1354 - 30/07/2016 08:58:21    1892195

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "My father and his brothers often says the similar stuff about that team. They seem to have captured publics imagination more than other Gaelic football teams."
Around the time Down won the All Ireland 1960 there would have been an awful lot of people who would have been very pleased to see Down win-- they were the first to bring the Sam across the border
In saying that they were a great team and indeed I saw them on a few occasions.
If it was a case of who were the best team in the last 55 years in Ulster Down would have to take top ranking.
Over 30 years Tyrone with Armagh Derry Donegal and Down just a little behind.
The Derry team of 1993 underachieved as indeed did Donegal from 1989/1993 That Donegal team reached five successive Ulster finals winning two plus Sam.

Out of curiosity a Donegal forward line from the past 30 years
Martin mcHugh. M Murphy Aidrean Sweeney
Declan Bonner Tony Boyle Manus Boyle.
All the Dubs will remember the full forward line---- the killer B'S

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 30/07/2016 09:57:27    1892207

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