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Replying To crikey: "Connaught !
Here are just some of what the Old Moore's Almanac predicts for
-Gaelic Football winner: Mayo
-Hurling winner: Galway" Did it give next Saturday's Euromillions numbers?
Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 26/07/2016 12:11:03
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Replying To Oldtourman: "In 2004 would I be right in saying that the toughest games Kerry had on the way to winning the All Ireland were the draw and replay V Limerick. Indeed those two teams had some very tough games up to 2010." I agree but you see again Limerick aren't a trendy football name and it doesn't matter what they do or who they beat most people just see the Limerick and stigmatise them as useless or easy to beat.
Of course I'd be a hypocrite if I said Kerry weren't a 'trendy' side either. People always rate Kerry higher than they should. For example you still hear (though not as often after the League Final evisceration) group Kerry + Dublin together as if we are somehow on their level way ahead of the others, Its fairytale stuff and must be really infuriating to Mayo and Tyrone fans when they see hear pundits Kerry on a pedestal we quite simply don't deserve to be
KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 26/07/2016 12:13:15
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Teams that get to a Ulster final aren't afforded any rest time. Also I can't understand why Derry had to play the last 3 weekends against Tipp Cavan and Meath. All tough teams to beat. They're treated as an after thought.
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If Kerry were playing either of those three this weekend it would be considered a handy draw
Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 26/07/2016 13:08:52
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Replying To Cavan_Slasher: "Did it give next Saturday's Euromillions numbers?" Sorry Cavan Slasher. No numbers. If they were I would of course have shared the numbers with everyone on here. But put a few dollars on Mayo and Galway.
crikey (Australia) - Posts: 355 - 26/07/2016 14:13:52
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Replying To SamOnErrigal: "Well for starters the GAA was very late taking off in Donegal. From I can remember no one played football bar a small few who went to college in our parish as we had no football pitch. Our club was founded in the 70's same as a host of clubs in Donegal. We now have a clueb house and good pitch.
Another thing was due to partition Donegal suffered more than any of the other Free State counties. Where did or when did the Dublin Goverement invest in Donegal before the 1960's
We depended on a small hillside farm to make a living Families consisted of anything up to maybe 20 children ( my own case 14 of a family) where most of them had to go and at a young age too
I was in a pub in Birmingham in around 1970 and there were at least around 20 of us from our home parish there all no older than 21. I grew up in the times we had no electricity,I remember the ESB arriving, no TV but we got one when I was 16 just before I headed to England. The amount of young men I met when I arrived here in the late 60's and none played football. Completely different story today as most young people join a GAA club and a gym when they arrive here. We went to the pub after our days work to down up to anything like 15 pints a night. If you don't believe me you want to read books about the people who emigrated, their lifestyles etc.
I packed drink up years ago , others were not so lucky.
But the bottom line is you have to live through all this and when you look back or this is my opinion living in Ireland and especially inDonegal in my early days we lived in a third world country. Look at the houses they have today, think back to the 50's/60's and no toilets or bathrooms and the conditions people had to live in. I doubt if having a good football team mattered, getting the fare out of Ireland to either Scotland or England counted more. And I do acknowledge every county suffered from emigration, living conditions were bad all over but how did Donegal become known as the FORGOTTON county. ??" Donegal were not the only ones to suffer in that regard, alot of counties along the western seeboard suffered heavily with people having to go abroad. The likes of cavan, down and Armagh were able to produce good football teams back in the 60s/70s
ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 27/07/2016 08:42:25
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Replying To 73forever: " Replying To GaryMc82: "There are so many variables to consider when trying to determine which Province is the strongest, and the strength of certain provinces tend to fluctuate every 3 or 4 years, making it extremely difficult to give an definitive answer.
I'd say in terms of average strength of teams participating, determined by the number of All Ireland winners provided from each Province during that time period, as well as the number of Provincial title winners during that time, Ulster definitely is the strongest.
Example of last 25 years.
5 Ulster Counties have won All Ireland's
7 Ulster Counties have won Ulster titles.
It is very difficult to use the Qualifier system to gauge Provincial strength, as there is a number of variables to consider such as.
- How many days preparation did a team have? A team facing a 6 day turnaround will often struggle, while a team with a 2 week break will perform better. The number of days a team has to prepare can have a significant impact on their performance )
- At which stage did they exit their Provincial Championship? ( Coming out the wrong side of an epic encounter can sometimes leave teams deflated, and vunerable to getting caught on the hop)
- Did the team mentally expect to be in the Qualifiers this year? (Some teams know they won't win their Provincial, and fully expect a Qualfier run, these teams are more mentally pumped up for the Qualifiers than sides who think they can win their Provincial).
When all of these are considered, it can put a very different slant on results we see in the Qualifiers.
Ulster is also more heavily represented in the top two divisions of the National League, however not all of them treat this as a competition and thus where teams finish is not necessarily a reflection of how good or strong they are. So I would probably ignore it as strength indicator." and you've ignored Hurling altogether!"
Galway and Antrim play in Leinster, I mean the fact the GAA persist with the Leinster Championship title is strange, they should rebrand it as the Tri-Province title.
GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 27/07/2016 11:23:43
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Replying To galwaydublin: "IMO, the only stat that matters is that in the last five years, there has been one team from each province in the semis, therefore every province is strong. Now it's usually been the same team in that Mayo and Dublin had 5 semi final appearances, Kerry four, and donegal three. The fact that Munster have four of the last ten, depends on things the draw and rest between games. I've no doubt roscommon and derry would have won with a 13 day break as opposed to six days, and donegal would lose to cork with a 6 day break, but will probably win with a 13 day break. The b side of the draw is usually loaded with higher division teams so that effects how many of your province qualifies." You're right, every Province is strong in Gaelic Football, and long may that trend continue. For all the complaining about Gaelic Football, I feel it is strong across the board, and we are seeing so many different teams in All Ireland Quarter finals at present, which is great for the game.
GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 27/07/2016 11:28:52
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Replying To GaryMc82: " Replying To 73forever: "[quote=GaryMc82: "There are so many variables to consider when trying to determine which Province is the strongest, and the strength of certain provinces tend to fluctuate every 3 or 4 years, making it extremely difficult to give an definitive answer.
I'd say in terms of average strength of teams participating, determined by the number of All Ireland winners provided from each Province during that time period, as well as the number of Provincial title winners during that time, Ulster definitely is the strongest.
Example of last 25 years.
5 Ulster Counties have won All Ireland's
7 Ulster Counties have won Ulster titles.
It is very difficult to use the Qualifier system to gauge Provincial strength, as there is a number of variables to consider such as.
- How many days preparation did a team have? A team facing a 6 day turnaround will often struggle, while a team with a 2 week break will perform better. The number of days a team has to prepare can have a significant impact on their performance )
- At which stage did they exit their Provincial Championship? ( Coming out the wrong side of an epic encounter can sometimes leave teams deflated, and vunerable to getting caught on the hop)
- Did the team mentally expect to be in the Qualifiers this year? (Some teams know they won't win their Provincial, and fully expect a Qualfier run, these teams are more mentally pumped up for the Qualifiers than sides who think they can win their Provincial).
When all of these are considered, it can put a very different slant on results we see in the Qualifiers.
Ulster is also more heavily represented in the top two divisions of the National League, however not all of them treat this as a competition and thus where teams finish is not necessarily a reflection of how good or strong they are. So I would probably ignore it as strength indicator." and you've ignored Hurling altogether!"
Galway and Antrim play in Leinster, I mean the fact the GAA persist with the Leinster Championship title is strange, they should rebrand it as the Tri-Province title."]The last time we had 4 competative provinces I n hurling Donegal were in the semi final. I think Limerick beat them Long long before my time
SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 27/07/2016 22:05:18
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