Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 21/07/2016 05:15:46    1887379

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1358 - 21/07/2016 07:56:33    1887382

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 21/07/2016 09:16:40    1887396

what i really loved about what Pete said was how much i KNEW it would annoy the like of Ruanua and UM :) And BOOM there it is in all its glory!
Listened to the whole thing buddy and anyone who wants to hear it need only go to the newstalk podcasts.
And I did indeed use direct quotes, you must have missed that bit! :)
At no point whatsoever in the OP did i misquote or misrepresent Pete. Everything I said is there.

As for the fella, Irishgael or something like that who gives out about Pete cos he didnt defend some Ulster county on the SG as they were being "dragged over the coal".....did it ever strike you that maybe he didnt defend them as he didnt like what they did and agreed with the analysis, or can your brain not compute that possibility? Is it imcumbent on all Ulster Gaels to defend each other against the marauding southerners!!! Regardless of content and instance??!!

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 21/07/2016 10:08:14    1887424

Haven't heard the interview but saying "Dublin play by far the best football in the country" is hardly a controversial statement, the majority would agree with that, but nobody could disagree that they get every opportunity to display their class in the Leinster championship at this moment in time. Other counties don't have that luxury.

All the top counties are capable of playing great football (subjectively) but it would be incredibly naive to try it in every game.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12122 - 21/07/2016 10:38:00    1887443

Nothing to do with North or South - that's just your approach to debate - every thread you start is - ah like minded lads come here and look at this - like the bully who is looking for 5 people to back him up

My point is that you take one comment out of context and change it to suit your agenda - most of your posts seem to need reference to a TV pundit or tabloid hack to validate your argument

Do you have any original thought of your own ?
And for what it's worth - the last ten minutes of the Ulster final threw up more more excitement and tension than this years entire Leinster Championship -
Did you watch either Ulster Semi Final ? or again is your perspective linked to someone's else's attendance as a neutral at the last Ulster final

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 21/07/2016 10:40:38    1887448

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 21/07/2016 10:59:59    1887464

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 21/07/2016 11:24:02    1887485

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 21/07/2016 11:38:06    1887492

...It is exactly this unwillingness by Down to change with the times that leads to them becoming a joke like some Leinster team!

sam2008 (Tyrone) - Posts:713 - 20/07/2016 20:49:56

Which Leinster team in particular is a joke?

Why even make such a derogatory statement when it's completely out of context with the topic?

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 21/07/2016 11:38:58    1887493

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 21/07/2016 11:41:08    1887496

I like Pete but it really gets on my nerves how short of a memory people tend to have regarding our games.

I mean we scored the equivalent of 127 points throughout the league and scored 3-14 against Derry and 5-34 over two games against Cavan in the championship.

After those games we were being hailed as one of the most exiting teams in the country even by men like spillane and brolly.

But now we are the destroyers of everything good in our game again, due to the fact that we had one bad outing against one of the most defensive teams in the country.

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 21/07/2016 12:17:05    1887529

Must be two different interviews - you summarise as - ulster funal was shocking stuff, rubbish football and he prays the Dubs win Sam for the sake of football!

What I heard was - the Donegal Fermanagh game and what might have been if they scored the penalty - the Mayo game the early lead - the impact of the Aidan o Shea dive and the fact that he feels like it wouldn't have been given if it was Fermanagh Donegal or Tyrone - he talked about systems and the golden era of man on man - he talked about the golden era of the 1991 Ulster final which was in itself a turkey shoot - ( Donegal defence parted like the Red Sea is my recollection ) he talked about the Ulster final and the last minutes - the high skills fielding and long range scores - otherwise it was a poor game for a neutral - he talked about roscommons inability to defend 1-1 against Galway - he did compliment Dublin and said he would enjoy watching the win Sam -

To me the context was the overuse of systems rather than one on one skills which is a debate - or the evolution of the game - or referees balance to northern teams - or the Aidan o Shea issue -

If you want to take from the interview everyone loves Dublin fine if it makes you chuckle - but seriously us the only other point you took from the interview was his view only on the first 60 minutes of the Ulster final


As regards clashing or personalising - not sure if I can - you have previously acknowledged setting up other logins to praise your own posts so it's difficult to know who I'm clashing with

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 21/07/2016 12:20:42    1887536

Rua, you STILL havent explained how what I quoted was out of context so again I ask you, do you understand what out of context means?? Or did you just throw it out there hoping no one would notice?
Now if needs be I can explain out of context to you, but you know what, google is your friend!
Maybe what u meant to say was i took a small bit of the interview and focused on that instead of the whole interview, and yes, on that you would be correct, I did.
But it most certainly was not "out of context" a Pete said what he said, backed it up and it became a conversation point of the interview.
So, either show me how it was out of context.....or just quit using terms you dont actually understand!

Regarding log ins, if we are all gonna be hung for what we did 10 years ago then so be it. I admitted it at the time and I have no issue atall with that. Half of HS was at it, I could care less if you still want to go on about it ten years later! But c'mere I will be sure to tell good ol MikeyNora you said hello!!
:)

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 21/07/2016 12:39:44    1887564

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 21/07/2016 13:02:59    1887583

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 21/07/2016 13:10:22    1887589

Ok I'll try again

To me the main context of that section of the interview - was that there is too much emphasis on systems - Zonal play - defending the D - Keeping possession or whatever term you like - Pete in my view had somewhat of a rose tinted view on the past - talking about great 1 on 1 battles - and the team that came out on top was the team that won more than 50% of the 1 on 1/ man on man battles -

He talked about the glory era of Down 1991(who were honoured in Clones on Sunday) and referenced the 1991 Ulster (see my thoughts above on that game - where Withnel, McCarten and Linden had a field day against at best an absent Donegal full back line

There was also discussion about Roscommon getting roasted by applying a one on one system against Galway
The discussion on the Ulster final was in the context of 1) the game being tense for a supporter but unenjoyable for a neutral - 2) was in the context of the quality of scores (both sides) and fielding (tyrone) and the excitement and quality of the last 10 minutes

so yes the first 60 minutes of the game are a good example of what happens when overuse of systems by two sides collide - and that was the main context of that section of the interview (though in my view the main problem was Gallaghers inability to apply a plan B from the 40th minute)

Your interpretation of the interview and the context you extract from it seem to be Ulster football is shocking/rubbish and Dublin are great because Pete McGrath said so

You fail to mention
1) That he praised the scoring and fielding in the game
2) That the last ten minutes were enjoyable and exciting
3) The wider debate was about 1 on 1 or "systems" not Ulster v Dublin

so again I feel you selectively quoted from the article to try and create a Dublin V Ulster debate which was not the context of the discussion or the comment

For what its worth I have commented on the appropriate thread on my disappointment at Gallaghers tactics (mainly in the second half) and indeed Gallagher

If you feel I have misunderstood the interview fine or you want to debate on the issue that was actually being discussed fine- but why do you feel the need to change the debate to my language ability

As regards the MikeyNora issue - if it was ten years ago no problem - live and let live - but it was only last week you started a post about the great posters of yesteryear (in which you included MikeyNora) so hence felt it was worth a dig (albeit out of context)

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 21/07/2016 13:42:18    1887616

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 21/07/2016 14:30:36    1887668

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 21/07/2016 14:35:56    1887684

If the future of football is watching Kildare v Westmeath both playing a defensive system against each other...

Well... that's a fairly brutal situation.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 21/07/2016 14:38:14    1887688