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Replying To bennybunny: "Google it ...start with looking at shape of the sticks. Also, look at it from a linguistic point of view - translate shinty and hurling into gaelic... The sport (hurling) that is being played now doesn't even resemble what was played 20 years ago. There is something more refreshing and unique and cultural about shinty (in my opinion). Still we have what we have - 'work rate' and 'win your own ball' are now the narratives that define the sport. Translated, that means we have constant rucks and cynical play. I'll probably get about 50 thumbs down for this no doubt and probably be told how useless Cork are as well." Why would I google it as you say, when I have you to do it for me.
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Replying To Killarney.87: "Why would I google it as you say, when I have you to do it for me." fair enough.
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Replying To CastleBravo: "Shinty's biggest games attract crowds of about 2'000. Hardly the example we should be following...." An irrelevance what crowds they get.
I am not genuinely suggesting that shinty be put on the curriculum by the way. My original post was tongue firmly in cheek. It seems to have upset some people though.
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 21/07/2016 16:46:28
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I'd rather see youngsters playing hurling than Pokemon Go.
Teenagers are becoming obsessed with video games.
We have an ever growing ( pardon the pun) obesity problem in Ireland. It's disappointing to see so much cynicism towards Martin Fogarty's suggestion. If I am honest I am not surprised to see so much cynicism, I was half expecting it.
I completely get where people are coming from when they say Irish was a nightmare to learn in school. I struggle to see the parallel with learning hurling though.
We already have practical subjects on our leaving Cert curriculum like Art, Music, woodwork, tech drawing, home economics etc. None of these subjects are compulsory and a subject called hurling wouldn't have to be either.
I think the suggestion of an Irish cultural studies subject is very interesting. You could mix things like conversational Irish, Irish civilisation, hurling, Irish music, Irish dance into one subject.
A lot of posters spoke about playing hurling during PE. I would love to know their thoughts on France proposing to awards marks towards there second level equivalent of the leaving Cert to anyone who takes PE?
Thanks a for all the comments on this topic. I think Martin Fogarty showed great courage to even suggest it because I'm sure he knew he would receive a lot of puzzled looks in response.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 21/07/2016 17:17:19
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Replying To Killarney.87: "I'd rather see youngsters playing hurling than Pokemon Go.
Teenagers are becoming obsessed with video games.
We have an ever growing ( pardon the pun) obesity problem in Ireland. It's disappointing to see so much cynicism towards Martin Fogarty's suggestion. If I am honest I am not surprised to see so much cynicism, I was half expecting it.
I completely get where people are coming from when they say Irish was a nightmare to learn in school. I struggle to see the parallel with learning hurling though.
We already have practical subjects on our leaving Cert curriculum like Art, Music, woodwork, tech drawing, home economics etc. None of these subjects are compulsory and a subject called hurling wouldn't have to be either.
I think the suggestion of an Irish cultural studies subject is very interesting. You could mix things like conversational Irish, Irish civilisation, hurling, Irish music, Irish dance into one subject.
A lot of posters spoke about playing hurling during PE. I would love to know their thoughts on France proposing to awards marks towards there second level equivalent of the leaving Cert to anyone who takes PE?
Thanks a for all the comments on this topic. I think Martin Fogarty showed great courage to even suggest it because I'm sure he knew he would receive a lot of puzzled looks in response." Talking about a subject called hurling is nonsense. It wont ever happen
A new subject called Politics and Society was launched in February and will be introduced to schools in September 2016. That could be expanded to cover a lot of what Martin Fogarty is talking about
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "Talking about a subject called hurling is nonsense. It wont ever happen
A new subject called Politics and Society was launched in February and will be introduced to schools in September 2016. That could be expanded to cover a lot of what Martin Fogarty is talking about" Interesting Ormondebanner. Where would you slot it into this new Politics and Society syllabus?
What will be covered in this subject beyond the obvious hint in its name? I am just trying to understand its purpose.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 21/07/2016 18:35:09
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Interesting Ormond. Where would you slot it into this new Politics and Society syllabus?
What will be covered in this subject beyond the obvious hint in its name? I am just trying to understand its purpose.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts:1237 - 21/07/2016 18:35:09This new subject will, AFAIK, look at concepts of power. Policy making. Look at social class. Patriarchal societies etc
You could slot it in in numerous areas. Cultural significance etc
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 21/07/2016 20:14:47
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Interesting Ormond. Where would you slot it into this new Politics and Society syllabus?
What will be covered in this subject beyond the obvious hint in its name? I am just trying to understand its purpose.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts:1237 - 21/07/2016 18:35:09This new subject will, AFAIK, look at concepts of power. Policy making. Look at social class. Patriarchal societies etc
You could slot it in in numerous areas. Cultural significance etc
This new subject will introduce elements of philosophy to second level students so how philosophical thought could be used to determine x or y....
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "Interesting Ormond. Where would you slot it into this new Politics and Society syllabus?
What will be covered in this subject beyond the obvious hint in its name? I am just trying to understand its purpose.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts:1237 - 21/07/2016 18:35:09This new subject will, AFAIK, look at concepts of power. Policy making. Look at social class. Patriarchal societies etc
You could slot it in in numerous areas. Cultural significance etc
This new subject will introduce elements of philosophy to second level students so how philosophical thought could be used to determine x or y...." What is AFAIK? I am not sure I follow where you see it slotting in. Do you mind explaining it please?
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 21/07/2016 20:56:33
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What is AFAIK? I am not sure I follow where you see it slotting in. Do you mind explaining it please?
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts:1238 - 21/07/2016 20:56:33Did you not know AFAIK meant As Far As I Know... I thought everyone would know that.
You could slot in hurling into a lot of areas. Cultural power. Membership and cosmopolitanism. Look at hurling and GAA in general and membership of clubs being linked to religion by use of Parishes to make up teams etc etc etc
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "What is AFAIK? I am not sure I follow where you see it slotting in. Do you mind explaining it please?
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts:1238 - 21/07/2016 20:56:33Did you not know AFAIK meant As Far As I Know... I thought everyone would know that.
You could slot in hurling into a lot of areas. Cultural power. Membership and cosmopolitanism. Look at hurling and GAA in general and membership of clubs being linked to religion by use of Parishes to make up teams etc etc etc" An academic exercise that would be about as useful and informative as learning Latin or Swahili would for the average person
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1908 - 21/07/2016 21:17:08
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "What is AFAIK? I am not sure I follow where you see it slotting in. Do you mind explaining it please?
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts:1238 - 21/07/2016 20:56:33Did you not know AFAIK meant As Far As I Know... I thought everyone would know that.
You could slot in hurling into a lot of areas. Cultural power. Membership and cosmopolitanism. Look at hurling and GAA in general and membership of clubs being linked to religion by use of Parishes to make up teams etc etc etc" No I wouldn't do well in a acronyms quiz.
Would that not minimise it to a discussion point then as opposed to a main part of the syllabus? I'm still not 100% sure what you are suggesting, sorry about that it I am slow on the uptake.
What I took from Fogarty's interview was you could gain marks in the leaving Cert if you played hurling, coached hurling or had a knowledge of its history.
I think he was trying to encourage exercise and teaching but also pass on the history of it to future generations so it doesn't diminish over time.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 21/07/2016 21:25:29
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