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Correct Jim. Dubs pretty much always play against a blanket defence. Well used to playing it now. JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 22/07/2016 13:51:26 1888183 Link 0 |
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I don't know how many more Dublin wins against blanket defence first setups it will take for certain people to realise that perhaps this whole defence first thing isn't working anymore! It's been figured out. Dublin are completely versed in playing against that now and can tinker with their approach given the team... jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 22/07/2016 14:01:31 1888194 Link 1 |
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Can't see how you say blankets are redundant. Did you watch the Ulster final. ? How would Dublin / Kerry have performed Sunday. I know Dublin haven't been beaten in 2016 but nobody set up against them like the defensive system Tyrone /Donegal used last Sunday. As regards the A I of 2014 the mistake by Paul Durcan was what made all the difference. Kerry got nine points that day ,from an allegedly star forward line with two giveaway goals. I still think if Tyrone set up like Sunday they will frustrate a lot of teams. If Dublin do meet them they will not have met so well an organised, discipline or defensive minded team since Donegal 2011 What was not seen on Sunday was the ability of both Donegal / Tyrone on the counter attack. Both teams played very very cautious as none wanted to get caught on the counter. Of the four provincial finals the Ulster one was the closest And most competative. What can you say of the rest of them Runaway wins for Kerry /Dublin ----- you could have left long before the games were over. Similar story in Conaught. Roscommon let down by bad defending. The other thing is everybody wants to see brilliant forward play --- what about brilliant defending. Did M Hart not have a point -- you can still have a right game without the score line being something like 2-22 to 3-18 ?? Where the GAA want to have a look at things is the provincial championships of both Munster / Leinster. Both are a joke at the moment. No team able to compete with Dublin in Leinster and similar in Munster SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 22/07/2016 14:36:48 1888215 Link 0 |
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Let's see what happens if Dublin meet one of the proper blanket teams in the next few weeks Be mindful that this is championship football not league Plus in the last couple of years Dublin have met no proper defensive team except Donegal in 2014. Remember how we sat back , went behind, went and scored goals, how ragged Dublin's play got , how the men they used to spring off the bench failed to turn the game ( the bench was supposed to be so strong) Now I'm not saying Donegal / Tyrone will beat Dublin if these counties ever meet but they will both know how to set up a lot better than the counties who have tried a blanket system against Dublin. Also the discipline both Tyrone /Donegal had Sunday going about their defensive duties, both teams held their lines all day long. Just hope we beat Cork and would really love a crack against the Dubs , just might not be able to out score them but could very well run them close SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 22/07/2016 14:48:50 1888224 Link 0 |
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I rather like the 'rugby' tackle in the Aussie AFL - if a player is grounded while in possession of the ball, he CONCEDES a free kick. In fact, such free kicks are few and far between as a player in possession knows he needs to offload the ball (like a hot potato) before the tackle and therefore the ball moves faster. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2621 - 22/07/2016 15:02:43 1888238 Link 0 |
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Would it be wrong to point out that the Connacht final went to a replay?
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 22/07/2016 15:03:39 1888239 Link 0 |
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Sam jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 22/07/2016 15:32:46 1888253 Link 1 |
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And I take it you know the result already. Good man but it's never over till the fat lady sings SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 22/07/2016 15:47:23 1888262 Link 0 |
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Sam jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 22/07/2016 16:04:31 1888277 Link 0 |
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.... and Sam jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 22/07/2016 16:09:32 1888279 Link 1 |
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Just read that article. Interesting. Possibly it will not work out as expected and Ciaran Whelan could be right but the Dublin minor team playing in a one off rules trial match in the Leinster minor league is not exactly conclusive evidence on the effect of limiting hand passing would have on Gaelic football. In fairness managers are not exactly going to spend much time preparing their team tactics for this one off match. If they trialed it for an entire inter county minor championship I would be curious what way the teams tactics would have developed by the end of it.
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1360 - 22/07/2016 16:15:52 1888285 Link 0 |
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I also like the Brolly Rule - 4 midfielders between the 45s for kick outs - with each team's 6 forwards and 6 backs staying within their 'zones' until a midfielder has touched the ball. Hard to organise the blanket defence with these constraints. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2621 - 22/07/2016 16:41:01 1888298 Link 0 |
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If one side has a strong midfield then they win the game. It's an awful idea
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 22/07/2016 16:48:47 1888303 Link 0 |
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Never said we were hard -- you've got that well wrong What I'm trying to point out is Dublin , if they do meet a team like either Donegal /Tyrone then those teams will be a lot different from playing the likes of Meath Kildare Laios or Westmeath. And I should think so. Let's face it when do you see teams go man for man and if we did how might your defence cope man on man with the likes of M M and P mcB Not double marking them as is the case most times Lots to play for my dear man. With three defenders gone now do you not think this will weaken Dublin's back line and trying the likes of C Kilkenny as a centre half next day out could backfire big time My honest opinion is that Tyrone / Donegal are going to be Dublin's biggest test this year. Can see Kerry getting near them. SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 22/07/2016 16:55:06 1888306 Link 0 |
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There is no doubt that the loss of a player of McCarthy's calibre, added to our other absentees will make things a lot more difficult for Dublin, but the point he is making, I think, is that most teams play a version of a blanket against us, so even though the likes of Donegal and Tyrone are way ahead of most Leinster counties that have tried it, it is still a blanket. By the same token most of the teams Donegal or Tyrone have played against would not carry the same attacking threat as Dublin, so we would all be entering a quarter final with a lot of questions over whose system will work. As for the idea that Kilkenny might be played in the half back line, I really can't see that happening so planning for that could be a serious waste of time.
AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 22/07/2016 21:53:33 1888368 Link 0 |
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And what's wrong with that? Traditionally the teams that had the best midfielders tended to win matches. I don't necessarily agree with your assessment but if football returned through this measure to something closer to the way it was traditionally played with midfielders becoming all important, at least it would give weaker counties a chance to compete on something closer to equal terms --- the weakest of counties have 4 or 5 players that are the equal of the best in successful counties and let's say you had a situation where Longford or Leitrim or Fermanagh could put their best 2 players in midfield against Dublin and they were to dominate the Dublin midfield, they MIGHT have a chance of causing an upset. I don't think it would happen because I think the best 15 over the 70 minutes would still prevail and win the game but at least there would be a small chance that they might cause an upset.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1907 - 23/07/2016 02:54:46 1888405 Link 0 |
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Googeled his article, it sounds good all right.
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1360 - 23/07/2016 07:01:59 1888412 Link 0 |
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Do you think allowing player's break their zones as soon as the kick out has taken place rather than when a midfielder touches the ball make much difference in this regard ?
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1360 - 23/07/2016 07:09:33 1888413 Link 0 |
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Nope. As soon as the kick is taken you might have up 14 players running into the one spot in the hope of getting breaking ball. They will line up on the edge of the zone waiting to sprint into this area.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 23/07/2016 10:28:32 1888440 Link 0 |
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I'm trying to think this through in my head. A kick out would be about 3 seconds in air, if a player were to catch a ball (or get onto a breaking ball), look up and kick it in to a forward inside you could be talking 6 or 10 seconds more before the ball gets in there. If players were allowed to leave their zone when ball was kicked they might have time to run into midfield area but not flood defensive area. The blankets would be hard to sustain (with about 50 kick outs in a game).
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1360 - 23/07/2016 11:48:40 1888464 Link 0 |