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Round 4A & 4B Qualifier Draw

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Absolutely shocking, that one side of the qualifiers is top heavy with quality and the other is far less so. Don't know how the GAA come up with it but in my opinion there should be no split in the qualifiers and it should be done on an open basis. All teams in the pot and no seeding etc. far more transparent and fair to all teams involved. We have a scenario where donegal might have to beat cork, dublin, kerry and tyrone to win the all-ireland or mayo might have to beat westmeath, dublin, kerry and tyrone. Contrast it with the other side, no where near as challenging.

Adamski (Dublin) - Posts: 339 - 18/07/2016 15:43:09    1885654

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Replying To DoireCityFC:  "If they are not the same or similar enough to be included in the same conversation then why would you assume I refer to your copy and paste posting?"
Because mine was one of only '2 new threads' you mentioned that had been set up on the subject. Wasn't that hard to figure out. As for your 'copy and paste' dig, as Admin didn't post the details on the forum I'd thought it might be useful here as not everyone reads the articles on the main page.

CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 18/07/2016 16:07:30    1885680

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Replying To WildPundit:  "I reckon Tipp / Derry & Clare / Ross will be a double header in Tullamore.

if going separate venues I would think the following:

Tipp / Derry - Parnell Park
Clare / Ross - Portlaoise or Salthill."
Cavan FFS? What a joke. What's your take on it wild pundit?

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 18/07/2016 16:10:52    1885683

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Replying To Adamski:  "Absolutely shocking, that one side of the qualifiers is top heavy with quality and the other is far less so. Don't know how the GAA come up with it but in my opinion there should be no split in the qualifiers and it should be done on an open basis. All teams in the pot and no seeding etc. far more transparent and fair to all teams involved. We have a scenario where donegal might have to beat cork, dublin, kerry and tyrone to win the all-ireland or mayo might have to beat westmeath, dublin, kerry and tyrone. Contrast it with the other side, no where near as challenging."
Does it not make the thing less predictable? The cream will always rise to the top anyway.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 18/07/2016 16:12:39    1885687

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "Cavan FFS? What a joke. What's your take on it wild pundit?"
Tipp won't bring the support that's why it's in Cavan cos they will get more from Derry than if they brought it further south
It is a joke though
3 hours from Clonmel and 2 from Derry city. But there's no where that much more central unforunately. Navan would probably have been the fairest.

Would there be 100 from Tipp there anyway?

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 18/07/2016 16:30:35    1885709

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Tipp won't bring the support that's why it's in Cavan cos they will get more from Derry than if they brought it further south
It is a joke though
3 hours from Clonmel and 2 from Derry city. But there's no where that much more central unforunately. Navan would probably have been the fairest.

Would there be 100 from Tipp there anyway?"
Cavan is still awkward to get to from Derry, and I would say it would take more than 2 hours for Derry fans travelling from Coleraine, Limavady, Dungiven or Derry City. Cavan is now linked by Motorway/Dual carriageway to Dublin, while the road network from Cavan to the rest of the North west is brutal.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 18/07/2016 16:47:08    1885725

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Replying To GaryMc82:  "Cavan is still awkward to get to from Derry, and I would say it would take more than 2 hours for Derry fans travelling from Coleraine, Limavady, Dungiven or Derry City. Cavan is now linked by Motorway/Dual carriageway to Dublin, while the road network from Cavan to the rest of the North west is brutal."
It's still a joke though even if it's hard to get to from Derry. Can you not pop down the N2? That's a good road.

I'd say the Tipp county board couldn't give two f@cks, if the attitude of the county chairman is anything to go by.

Tipp football is mainly in South Tipp. Travelling from Clonmel or Aherlow to Cavan is a nightmare.

Yeah we will be lucky to get a 100 fans at it which is a shame after beating cork for the first time in 70 odd years.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 18/07/2016 17:06:54    1885739

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Replying To Adamski:  "Absolutely shocking, that one side of the qualifiers is top heavy with quality and the other is far less so. Don't know how the GAA come up with it but in my opinion there should be no split in the qualifiers and it should be done on an open basis. All teams in the pot and no seeding etc. far more transparent and fair to all teams involved. We have a scenario where donegal might have to beat cork, dublin, kerry and tyrone to win the all-ireland or mayo might have to beat westmeath, dublin, kerry and tyrone. Contrast it with the other side, no where near as challenging."
They didn't they just copied EUFA & FIFA Those 2 institutions of deep thinking and integrity There should be no predetermined games outside of teams that have played each other previously

cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 454 - 18/07/2016 17:13:06    1885746

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Killarney87 I think it's a joke I would have hoped Parnell park but look some of the Derry lads saying trip of about 2 hours for them so what can we do. If was in Dublin or Tullamore I'd have went but looks dodgy now especially with a 5pm throw in as well should have been 3 o clock. Will be hours getting up and home.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 18/07/2016 18:16:20    1885776

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "It's still a joke though even if it's hard to get to from Derry. Can you not pop down the N2? That's a good road.

I'd say the Tipp county board couldn't give two f@cks, if the attitude of the county chairman is anything to go by.

Tipp football is mainly in South Tipp. Travelling from Clonmel or Aherlow to Cavan is a nightmare.

Yeah we will be lucky to get a 100 fans at it which is a shame after beating cork for the first time in 70 odd years."
Is it really a joke though, have you calculated the distance from both Counties carefully.

Keep in mind that there are no major roads from Derry to Cavan, the best route is probably Derry to Ballygawley via the A5/N2, then across to Enniskillen town, then south to Cavan town. The A5 is the nightmare road we've been trying to get upgraded to a dual-carriageway or motorway for years, because it is rubbish and travelling any faster than 40mph for more that a mile or two is something that is rarely experienced due to tractors and slow drivers. It runs through the middle of Omagh, which slows things down even further.

Cavan is actually more accessible from the south, with recent upgrades it is now roughly 1 hour from Dublin, and about 2 hrs 20 minutes from Cashel in Tipperary via the M50. Both Dungiven and Derry City are about just over 2 hours drive to Cavan town, Coleraine is around 2 hours 30 minutes.

The GAA probably look at both counties, and thought what would be a fair venue travel wise for both. And Breffni is probably considered a better ground than Navan, which is why it was selected.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 18/07/2016 21:52:36    1885912

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Yeah I think navan had to be cancelled for a match last year cos the ground was not safe.

A motorway was supposed to be built from Dublin to Derry but we unceremoniously ran out of cash during the recession so you can blame us for the lack of a good road.

It's such a shame cos it would have done wonders for tourism in Donegal and Derry.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 19/07/2016 00:57:40    1885981

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Replying To Adamski:  "Absolutely shocking, that one side of the qualifiers is top heavy with quality and the other is far less so. Don't know how the GAA come up with it but in my opinion there should be no split in the qualifiers and it should be done on an open basis. All teams in the pot and no seeding etc. far more transparent and fair to all teams involved. We have a scenario where donegal might have to beat cork, dublin, kerry and tyrone to win the all-ireland or mayo might have to beat westmeath, dublin, kerry and tyrone. Contrast it with the other side, no where near as challenging."
The draw is the way it is, is because both mayo and cork loss games in there provinces. If Kerry beat ourselves or clare the still will have to beat probably dublin in a semi final and a top team in a final

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 19/07/2016 02:14:12    1885990

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Replying To GaryMc82:  "Is it really a joke though, have you calculated the distance from both Counties carefully.

Keep in mind that there are no major roads from Derry to Cavan, the best route is probably Derry to Ballygawley via the A5/N2, then across to Enniskillen town, then south to Cavan town. The A5 is the nightmare road we've been trying to get upgraded to a dual-carriageway or motorway for years, because it is rubbish and travelling any faster than 40mph for more that a mile or two is something that is rarely experienced due to tractors and slow drivers. It runs through the middle of Omagh, which slows things down even further.

Cavan is actually more accessible from the south, with recent upgrades it is now roughly 1 hour from Dublin, and about 2 hrs 20 minutes from Cashel in Tipperary via the M50. Both Dungiven and Derry City are about just over 2 hours drive to Cavan town, Coleraine is around 2 hours 30 minutes.

The GAA probably look at both counties, and thought what would be a fair venue travel wise for both. And Breffni is probably considered a better ground than Navan, which is why it was selected."
Ros/clare could be 2 hours trying to get out of galway city alone on Saturday the gaa could not care less about the fans

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 19/07/2016 02:19:44    1885991

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "Yeah I think navan had to be cancelled for a match last year cos the ground was not safe.

A motorway was supposed to be built from Dublin to Derry but we unceremoniously ran out of cash during the recession so you can blame us for the lack of a good road.

It's such a shame cos it would have done wonders for tourism in Donegal and Derry."
I understand Navan wouldnt be a great choice but was just trying to make a point on travel distance and using Google Maps!

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 19/07/2016 10:45:03    1886076

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I understand Navan wouldnt be a great choice but was just trying to make a point on travel distance and using Google Maps!"
Look I'm not fan of Breffni Park, more because of where it is located, and the difficulty getting there from Derry.

I visit the Cashel region a lot, and have connections down there and out by Cappawhite, and I am more than aware of the distance you will be forced to endure too. These qualifier games struggle to attract fans at the best of times, and these distances don't help.

Do you think qualifiers should be divided into a Northern/Southern type sections, with two teams from each reaching the All Ireland QF? It would reduce the distance involved in games and maybe attract more fans to these games. Teams who exit Ulster, Northern Connacht and North Leinster could enter this section, It would still work out the same as the A and B sections now, just leaving them more localised early on.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 19/07/2016 18:16:31    1886556

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Replying To GaryMc82:  "Look I'm not fan of Breffni Park, more because of where it is located, and the difficulty getting there from Derry.

I visit the Cashel region a lot, and have connections down there and out by Cappawhite, and I am more than aware of the distance you will be forced to endure too. These qualifier games struggle to attract fans at the best of times, and these distances don't help.

Do you think qualifiers should be divided into a Northern/Southern type sections, with two teams from each reaching the All Ireland QF? It would reduce the distance involved in games and maybe attract more fans to these games. Teams who exit Ulster, Northern Connacht and North Leinster could enter this section, It would still work out the same as the A and B sections now, just leaving them more localised early on."
Ah no keep the qualifiers open draw cos it allows for novel pairings. Like Mayo and Kildare had there first championship tie since 1935 last week.

I assume this is the first or one of very few championship matches between Tipp and Derry?

The frustration I would have is there are plenty of county grounds to choose from between Derry and Tipperary that could accommodate this fixture and I don't think the best one was picked from a logistical point of view. Facilities wise Breffni park looks really good.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 19/07/2016 21:27:46    1886667

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Donegal v Cork & Mayo v Westmeath. Either game could have been played in Salthill. Would have been perfect for Westmeath v Mayo especially but problem is Galway Races are on & traffic in Galway is bad enough.

As for Donegal v Cork. No need for Croke Park. Parnell Park would be enough. 13k Donegal fans, 100 Cork fans and a few neutrals in too.

shaggykev (Donegal) - Posts: 202 - 19/07/2016 22:15:21    1886707

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Replying To WildPundit:  "Killarney87 I think it's a joke I would have hoped Parnell park but look some of the Derry lads saying trip of about 2 hours for them so what can we do. If was in Dublin or Tullamore I'd have went but looks dodgy now especially with a 5pm throw in as well should have been 3 o clock. Will be hours getting up and home."
Yeah it's not ideal at all. It would be great to get to the quarter finals but its looking more unlikely after this venue was picked.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 20/07/2016 03:26:54    1886778

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All in neutral venues,that is where mistake is, should have rewarded teams that reached there provinsal final, like home advantage. But that is too late for this year , Would have drawn big crowds for tip if in tip after reaching there 1st final in a long time. Like wise donegal. Roscomom and westmeath after reaching provinsal final should have got home advantage.

madbull (Westmeath) - Posts: 195 - 20/07/2016 09:02:58    1886797

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Replying To shaggykev:  "Donegal v Cork & Mayo v Westmeath. Either game could have been played in Salthill. Would have been perfect for Westmeath v Mayo especially but problem is Galway Races are on & traffic in Galway is bad enough.

As for Donegal v Cork. No need for Croke Park. Parnell Park would be enough. 13k Donegal fans, 100 Cork fans and a few neutrals in too."
you may have a few more at the Donegal v Cork game as Celtic are playing in Dublin that day too later on at Lansdowne

Garngad (Donegal) - Posts: 14 - 20/07/2016 11:36:15    1886890

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