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Cavan and Roscommon- deluded?

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Both teams in division one next year so all if far from lost, maybe hype got into their heads Cavan with 14 men nearly got over the line, will be better prepared after a season in division one and Roscommon still have a number of players to return from injury

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2151 - 18/07/2016 14:06:37    1885523

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Replying To Gleebo:  "I think we deserve a little more respect given where we are coming from and the sometimes difficult challenge our footballers face within the county compared to some of the one code counties who have resources to beat the band given Gaelic Football is number 1 with number 2 sport so far behind it will never be a threat.

You also have twice the population of the next biggest county in Connacht, so playing football and hurling to a decent level shouldn't be the burden that you're making it out to be, especially given that these sports are played in distinct parts of Co. Galway."
Gleebo population is one thing but a decent proportion of that population have no link historical or otherwise with Gaelic games. For instance there are only 3 senior football clubs in the city and that is 1/3 of the population of the city and county. Your comparison is apples and oranges esque territory given Mayo, Kerry and Donegal (latter two to a lesser extent) are entirely Gaelic football driven. Basically your population argument is way too simplistic.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1947 - 18/07/2016 14:22:02    1885549

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Replying To galwaydublin:  "In galway, we won under 21 all Ireland's in 02, 05, 11 and 13, as well as minor in 07, but haven't made a semi since 01. Neither Cavan or Roscommon won any underage all Ireland's, only provincial. It goes to show the gap between underage and senior. I think cavan and roscommon fans just need to be patient and these teams will come good. What happened to roscommon yesterday can be the best thing for them. Look at galway v mayo in 13. Galway for years were losing to the likes of wexford and antrim by 1point, but that Mayo defeat did more good for this team than any underage success."
just as a matter of interest how many of those gaklway players that took part yesterday also appeared in the 2011 all-ireland final (in which they hammered Cavan). I believe only 4 of the cavan players (including used subs) took part in both the 2011 under-21 final and the championship matches this year. (Gearoid Mckiernan, feargal Flanagan,Niall Murray and jack Brady. point I am making is . 5 years on these players should be at their peak yet very few of them are still involved at senior level so is it actually relevant to talk about under-21 success

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 18/07/2016 14:22:12    1885550

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Two started yesterday, Tom Flynn and Cummins, they are the only 2 survivors from that 11 team! Pat Sweeney came on in that final as he did yesterday!

Belclare1 (Galway) - Posts: 1626 - 18/07/2016 14:34:46    1885564

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Replying To s goldrick:  "just as a matter of interest how many of those gaklway players that took part yesterday also appeared in the 2011 all-ireland final (in which they hammered Cavan). I believe only 4 of the cavan players (including used subs) took part in both the 2011 under-21 final and the championship matches this year. (Gearoid Mckiernan, feargal Flanagan,Niall Murray and jack Brady. point I am making is . 5 years on these players should be at their peak yet very few of them are still involved at senior level so is it actually relevant to talk about under-21 success"
I don't believe it matters how many of our Provincial winning U.21's we had playing. They will win nothing major under a management that seems to be deficient and keep doing making the same mistakes. Under Terry and Co. in 5 years we haven't even made an Ulster Final. We have good enough players but not good enough and cute enough management. Terry is a nice man who has tried his best but it wasn't good enough.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 18/07/2016 14:37:58    1885569

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Replying To s goldrick:  "just as a matter of interest how many of those gaklway players that took part yesterday also appeared in the 2011 all-ireland final (in which they hammered Cavan). I believe only 4 of the cavan players (including used subs) took part in both the 2011 under-21 final and the championship matches this year. (Gearoid Mckiernan, feargal Flanagan,Niall Murray and jack Brady. point I am making is . 5 years on these players should be at their peak yet very few of them are still involved at senior level so is it actually relevant to talk about under-21 success"
Same can be said for galway only a few lads still with galway. Flynn, 2 sweeneys, breathnach and cummins. Only 3 of those played yesterday

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1679 - 18/07/2016 14:39:53    1885571

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Replying To kiloughter:  "Gleebo population is one thing but a decent proportion of that population have no link historical or otherwise with Gaelic games. For instance there are only 3 senior football clubs in the city and that is 1/3 of the population of the city and county. Your comparison is apples and oranges esque territory given Mayo, Kerry and Donegal (latter two to a lesser extent) are entirely Gaelic football driven. Basically your population argument is way too simplistic."
With respect, you can make the arguments that you're making about Galway's sporting diversity about many other counties. For example, my alma mater has won national titles in basketball and achieved very little in gaelic games until the late 1990s (often talented footballers went to Jarlath's instead). Likewise, two of Mayo's biggest towns, Castlebar and Westport, are areas in which soccer is very strong. Mayo sides have won several national titles in junior soccer in the last decade, while the Mayo League has been competing in senior soccer during that time. Ballina also won national basketball titles relatively recently (mostly with local players).

Donegal have produced several Irish soccer internationals, while one village in Kerry (Waterville, I think) has produced three Lions.

In this context, I don't think the population issue is moot.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 18/07/2016 14:47:07    1885583

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Replying To Belclare1:  "Two started yesterday, Tom Flynn and Cummins, they are the only 2 survivors from that 11 team! Pat Sweeney came on in that final as he did yesterday!"
How many more are amongst the number who didn't want to know Belclare, and will some of these prodigals now return? Great stuff by Galway yesterday... football played the way we all prefer to see it. Congrats on the title.

If the Rossies can get their heads right they might still make the quarters. Mind you Clare have a strong midfield too and will likely push up as Galway did, so can they plug the gaps and find a way to get enough possession up front? The 6 days seems too short given the circumstances, but they are a div 1 side and need to find that confidence.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 18/07/2016 15:17:29    1885621

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Replying To Gleebo:  "With respect, you can make the arguments that you're making about Galway's sporting diversity about many other counties. For example, my alma mater has won national titles in basketball and achieved very little in gaelic games until the late 1990s (often talented footballers went to Jarlath's instead). Likewise, two of Mayo's biggest towns, Castlebar and Westport, are areas in which soccer is very strong. Mayo sides have won several national titles in junior soccer in the last decade, while the Mayo League has been competing in senior soccer during that time. Ballina also won national basketball titles relatively recently (mostly with local players).

Donegal have produced several Irish soccer internationals, while one village in Kerry (Waterville, I think) has produced three Lions.

In this context, I don't think the population issue is moot."
In fairness Gleebo look at how many dual clubs Galway have at senior level compared to Cork, Dublin and Wexford for example. Galway is somewhat unique in that I would say 1/10 of GAA people at most in the hurling only strongholds would have seen a Galway football match in the last 10 yrs. Probably a higher proportion of GAA people in the football only strongholds would have seen the Galway hurlers. these are guesses mind you and based on observation rather than stats. My point is when you strip it down our football pick is actually lower in terms of playing population than some counties with smaller overall populations.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1947 - 18/07/2016 15:52:18    1885663

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Wasn't this a thread about Roscommon and Cavan?

manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts: 541 - 18/07/2016 16:33:12    1885711

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Replying To manfromdelmonte:  "Wasn't this a thread about Roscommon and Cavan?"
So what if we are a bit deluded. It keeps us going, constantly getting back up after getting whacked like yesterday. There are too many apathetic counties going through the motions without daring to dream. Part of the pleasure Mayo and Galway get out of beating us is that they know we care. Would be very dull if counties like Cavan and Roscommon stopped thinking they could do it someday.

Anyway it is not as if our delusions are all founded on quicksand with AI titles at every major level - Senior, U21, Minor , NFL and Senior Club which is ok for a county with 5th lowest population. Can only think of Dublin, Cork, Kerry, Mayo, Galway , Derry , Down and Tyrone that alsp have that sweep.

facethepuckout (Roscommon) - Posts: 214 - 18/07/2016 23:05:14    1885951

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A reality needed for sure,but if they keep building and doing the things at underage,they could get closer.Also both new to dv1.Cavan will play their next year and Rossies second year.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 19/07/2016 09:50:15    1886039

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Replying To kiloughter:  "Gleebo population is one thing but a decent proportion of that population have no link historical or otherwise with Gaelic games. For instance there are only 3 senior football clubs in the city and that is 1/3 of the population of the city and county. Your comparison is apples and oranges esque territory given Mayo, Kerry and Donegal (latter two to a lesser extent) are entirely Gaelic football driven. Basically your population argument is way too simplistic."
Age you at this nonsense again ?

North Donegal and East has zero tradition of GAA. A county title has never went higher geographically than Gweedore .

There are 38,000 Unionists in Donegal of whom 98% don't play GAA.
Soccer is the big game in these areas and having lived in Donegal you will know about the car heads .

We didn't win an Ulster title until 1972 so we are not a one code county .

Just because we don't play hurling ( large parts ) doesn't mean we are a one code county . There are other sports too .

Stop being patronising to other counties with this rubbish please.

When you's beat Mayo it means you's are better but when you's are losing it's because there are other distractions .

Give me a break please .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 19/07/2016 10:51:05    1886081

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