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Not one call on your man trying to break dean's arm my guy that's disgusting what he was at.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 18/07/2016 08:51:54
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Replying To GormlaighG: "Delighted that others too see the true facts. Westmeath have admitted they intentionally targeted Diarmuid Connolly. To deliberately provoke or target a player has to be one of the lowest levels of sportsmanship. Almost as if to say that if one can't equal or surpass a player, then the route to winning is the cheat's way of deliberate provoking. Can true satisfaction ever be gained from this? Not for decent, honest sportsmen.
Diarmuid Connolly is one of the very best players in this country. He has got to the level he is at by way of his ability, his commitment and his character. He may have a temper. That temper is part of his character and has made him what he is. It may be a fault. If so, it is a fault which he alone has to deal with and most definitely should not be used by others to gain advantage.
Which one of us have no faults?
Like Diarmuid Connolly and his temper, we all battle with something. There are times we succeed and times we don't, but go on trying nonetheless. In such cases, negative behavior from others is never helpful.
Diarmuid Connolly's abilities are far greater than his faults.
Which one of us have worked on our abilities to the same level as he has?" Well said
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 18/07/2016 08:53:24
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It was a black card under current rules, thats it really!
Its just another example that the farcical black card rule doesnt work, throw in the Ulster final as another example.
As for Westmeath targetting Connolly, of course they did, who wouldnt? He has a short fuse and is easily wound up, of course every team is going to target him.
Its a compettive sport where people want to win, what do people want to see? What do people expect, its ironic seeing fans complaining about a player being targetted, deliberately wound up etc when the said same fans loudly cheer and jeer a free taker for missing his free for example.
"its disgraceful that players are being deliberately targetted for abuse......ah look he missed his free!!woooooooo"
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1352 - 18/07/2016 09:06:57
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as if a black card would have made a difference, and if given would have given justification to teams to initate off the ball incidents thus proving they dont have the football ability to beat the opposing team.
we have enough of it in ulster without 4th grade teams trying to copy it.
why cant people enjoy the greatest team in dublin history play the game the greatest way it has ever done in history.
heresam (Dublin) - Posts: 156 - 18/07/2016 09:09:02
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If it's a black card fair enough but the play was stopped so it's hardly cynical play if the game is stopped. Also why didn't Lee Keegan get a black card last year in the semi ?
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 18/07/2016 09:31:54
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Replying To Jackeen: "Oddly im not sure you're around this place lomg enough to have that opinion of me. Examples please?" Oddly enough I have been a long time around this forum without posting( I know, sad life and all that ). However it's not that sad that i'll go back over your old posts. If you don't know where I'm coming from it would take way too much trouble to convince you. Anyway I kind of admire you in a way for sticking to your principles!!!
Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 18/07/2016 10:26:35
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Thought it was a defnite yellow (because it happened during a break in play) and a stricter ref could give red for dangerous play, that's just based on my interpretation of the black card, everyone else has a different interpretation because it's a farce. Some one else touched on the issue that it is a weakness of his to lash out the potential of opposing teams exposing it. Looks like it will be something like Donegal/Cork- Kerry- Tyrone/Mayo to win it. He would need to calm down because he will face a bit of niggle from now on.
mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 18/07/2016 10:53:27
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Replying To clondalkindub: "Gleebo Ulsterman and all the haters there's absolutely no come back to this thread when the manager of the opposition's team says after the game "we went out to get at Connolly " how can you go against a player who has been targeted before the game? If Jim Gavin said that you's would be going mental on here , they targeted an amateur footballer come on they wouldn't stop at him the whole first half I was in the lower hogan and he kept going to the linesman basically saying "will you do something"" The targeting in question seemed to amount to ruffling Connolly's hair! I've seen worse at community games level FFS.
Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 18/07/2016 11:34:29
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Diarmuid Connolly rule book
Rule 7A
It is permissible to kick Diarmuid Connolly in the head without sanction
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jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 18/07/2016 11:36:13
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Gleebo I've told you he kept going to the linesman , now if you think all they were doing was messing his hair after the manager said they set out to target him then fair enough I'll say no more ffs.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 18/07/2016 11:38:31
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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes: "Oddly enough I have been a long time around this forum without posting( I know, sad life and all that ). However it's not that sad that i'll go back over your old posts. If you don't know where I'm coming from it would take way too much trouble to convince you. Anyway I kind of admire you in a way for sticking to your principles!!!" Yes i imagine you have been a lurker or quite possibly in another guise as the case may be. Ah yes, why back up your remarks with actual facts. Its more fun this way wha?!
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 18/07/2016 11:49:11
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...What many of us do have issues with is that Connolly and his team-mates get away with a lot of stuff other players and counties don't. That today was a very dangerous pull down and it warranted a red card and at the very least a black for a cynical drag down.
Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts:8107 - 17/07/2016 21:57:53 1885068
It's a fair enough question. I do feel there was a strong argument for a black card, given that he pulled Dolan to the ground, and an outside argument for a red, given the nature of the pull down.
Your argument is that Connolly etc. gets away with a lot of stuff other players and counties don't. Can you maybe give three examples where you felt that other teams were punished for a similar offence to Connolly's yesterday that resulted in a red card or even a black card?
Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 18/07/2016 11:53:55
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I've said it before and I will say it time, and time again. Each incident should be treated on its own merits.
What has gone on before with regards to Diarmuid Connolly is completely irrelevant to this one incident.
I don't care if Diarmuid Connolly was provoked. HE should know better at this stage. I love the footballer that glides past opposition and scores amazing scores. I have no time for the Diarmuid Connolly who produces nothing in his time on the pitch, lets himself get wound up as if getting this kind of attention is alien to him, then lashes out with an act of stupidity potentially letting himself and his teammates down.
People saying it wasn't dangerous. He got someone in a headlock and flung him to the ground. He deserved to go. Doesn't matter what had gone on before it, For that incident he shouldn't have remained on the field.
To try and deflect blame by saying Cribben came out and said WM players looked to wind up Connolly is nauseating. He said in public what managers and players say in the confides of their dressing room/training pitches.
Fact is Connolly is a marvellous footballer. But so many times now he has been sent off or should have been sent off for acts of violence against the opposition. He is as likely to let him teammates down, as he is to have a great game. I don't think him being sent off would have made a difference to the outcome of yesterdays game, but he should have seen the line.
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 18/07/2016 11:54:17
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Replying To waynoI: "I've said it before and I will say it time, and time again. Each incident should be treated on its own merits.
What has gone on before with regards to Diarmuid Connolly is completely irrelevant to this one incident.
I don't care if Diarmuid Connolly was provoked. HE should know better at this stage. I love the footballer that glides past opposition and scores amazing scores. I have no time for the Diarmuid Connolly who produces nothing in his time on the pitch, lets himself get wound up as if getting this kind of attention is alien to him, then lashes out with an act of stupidity potentially letting himself and his teammates down.
People saying it wasn't dangerous. He got someone in a headlock and flung him to the ground. He deserved to go. Doesn't matter what had gone on before it, For that incident he shouldn't have remained on the field.
To try and deflect blame by saying Cribben came out and said WM players looked to wind up Connolly is nauseating. He said in public what managers and players say in the confides of their dressing room/training pitches.
Fact is Connolly is a marvellous footballer. But so many times now he has been sent off or should have been sent off for acts of violence against the opposition. He is as likely to let him teammates down, as he is to have a great game. I don't think him being sent off would have made a difference to the outcome of yesterdays game, but he should have seen the line." Great post very honest and IMO 100% correct. Connolly is a joy to watch but he has that little bit of a crazy streak that makes him the player he is but it can also be a flaw. The issue for him and Dublin is when the Kerrys, Mayos, Tyrones, Donegals get to HQ they will target him - if he reacts he could cost Dublin an AI. Gavin needs a serious chat with him but I think its down to the player in the end of the day.
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 18/07/2016 12:04:43
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Black card offences:
Cynical Behaviour Fouls
Deliberately pull down an opponent.
Deliberately trip an opponent with the hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play.
Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
Remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a Match Official.
Immediate Ordering Off Infractions (Red Cards)
Striking or attempting to strike with arm, elbow, hand, knee or head.
Kicking or attempting to kick with minimal force or with force or causing injury.
Behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent.
Spitting at an opponent.
Contributing to a melee.
Stamping.
Inflicting injury recklessly.
Abusive language towards a Referee, Umpire, Linesman or Sideline Official.
Take your pick!
No-one's saying Connolly isn't a brilliant player, nor that Westmeath didn't seek to rile him up. But he should know by now that the word is out about his suspect temperament, and opponents will seek to wind him up, given his history of discipline issues.
It's also noteworthy that most of those going all Helen Lovejoy about the AOS incident the other week have gone missing in action on this thread.
Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 18/07/2016 12:52:40
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Gleebo news just in;
Connolly says he didn't headlock player
Diarmud Connolly says he did not headlock Westmeath player, Connolly says if there was more camera's in Croker they might have pick up him not headlocking Westmeath player, Connolly says his conscience is clear.
Gleebo there you go
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 18/07/2016 13:17:45
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Replying To Ulsterman: "Diarmuid Connolly is a superb footballer, the best on the island by a street at the minute and one of the few you would joyfully pay in to watch THIS IS NOT IN QUESTION. What many of us do have issues with is that Connolly and his team-mates get away with a lot of stuff other players and counties don't. That today was a very dangerous pull down and it warranted a red card and at the very least a black for a cynical drag down. Over the past few seasons Dublin players have faced accusations of biting and eye-gouging and most of it has been airbrushed away and ignored by the GAA and Southern media. This is because NO ONE there has the cajones to call the Dubs out because.......they are the Dubs, they bring in the fans, they sell a lot papers and advertising and well.......let's not just talk about ANYTHING negative involving them. It is a farce of the highest order." Oh Ulsterman think you have balanced the scales to last a lifetime when it comes to negative dialogue and Dublin
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 18/07/2016 13:45:26
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Replying To Jackeen: "Yes i imagine you have been a lurker or quite possibly in another guise as the case may be. Ah yes, why back up your remarks with actual facts. Its more fun this way wha?!" All this time I've been a lurker and I never knew it. Is it any wonder I'm so grumpy. Anyway what have you got against a bit of fun?
Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 18/07/2016 13:45:35
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Replying To yew_tree: "every incident now descends into a "who don't what before" debate. Posters deflect away from their own man/team back t past incidents. It's boring..." Couldn't agree more ,
There is very little honest debate on here, indeed a lot of what passes for debate on out games is I believe a vehicle for deep down held distain for one another and its sad . You can predict 90 % of the posts the vitriol and spew that comes on here ,
Re the incident I felt Connolly was stupid for how he reacted , if it was possible he's put an even bigger target on his back in upcoming games , last week I stated re AOS that I don't like scapegoats nor do I like retrospective action , apply the rules and apply them equally and fairly ,
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 18/07/2016 13:51:48
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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes: "All this time I've been a lurker and I never knew it. Is it any wonder I'm so grumpy. Anyway what have you got against a bit of fun?" Always up for a bitta fun sure I'm a Dub!
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 18/07/2016 14:14:30
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