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Replying To eunans4ever: "Well done today but if you genuinely think Tyrone play attacking football- your dulisional my friend..." Look,good luck to Donegal in the qualifiers.But as I said before you took a 4 point lead at the start of the second half and we were on the back foot then right up until Harte gave us a one point lead.We outscored ye 9 to 3 after you took that 4 point lead.You can't do that by "not attacking",so off course we did.Like Ulsterman said big Sean Cav willed us on and lead by example and all the lads busted a gut to get us over the line.I pointed out already that Rory was tapping his wrist on the line deperately wanting to know how much more time was left.He wanted a 1 point lead or a draw at worst and was willing to defend,defend,defend to try and make that the outcome.He sent Thompson back in to shore up the rear guard,a backwards and fearful decision in fairness and while i knew immediately why he was doing it I thought it lacked bottle and I was a bit surprised by it.Had it worked we would be saying it was a great decision perhaps,but it didn't work out today.Even some Donegal posters have questioned the keep ball mentality instead of launching at least a few high balls in to Murphy and Mc Brearty.As I said good luck to Donegal in the qualifiers. seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 18/07/2016 00:35:02 1885167 Link
Replying To DoireCityFC: "You seem to bring politics into sport more often than Id like. The 2 shouldn't be mixed unless its for bidding for an event, security at games etc. People political views are their own and shouldn't be open to discussion in a sports page" OK Saffron Don, point taken. If you say rugby is also gaining a foothold in the nationalist population of Northern Ireland you're the man to know. My perception was that the nationalist community in Northern Ireland was more tightly knit than that and therefore more impervious to a game like rugby that has such strong Unionist connections up north. But I suppose the recent Euro championships demonstrated significant cross community support for the Northern Ireland soccer team does indicate that things are in a state of flux. Doire FC, sometimes sport and politics do overlap on this island and it is unavoidable to discuss the problems of one without discussing the influence of the other. If you want to blame anyone for politicising this thread it is me but I'm parking it there now. PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1904 - 18/07/2016 03:54:13 1885184 Link
Replying To DoireCityFC: "Most sports have poor finals. Look at the fa cup, the recent euros and the low scoring world cup final in new Zealand. Even the all Ireland final last year was rubbish not to mention the the duck shoot that has been lenister the past few years. This is not a new thing. Usually teams have so much at stake in finals that games are tense.......that and have you ever considered by the time 2 teams make it to a final they are usually the 2 most well matched in that competition resulting in tight drawn out affairs? Imagine two evenly matched teams in a final!!!!! Go watch something else if you are bored." Go watch something else if you are bored is exactly what a lot of people will do including myself and I don't think that is the way to react to legitimate criticisms of the type of football we are seeing. If people are watching something else because the game bores them then maybe the rules need to be changed before we end up with only a man and his dog at the games. uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 18/07/2016 05:41:33 1885191 Link
The game isn't that bad at all. I enjoyed Donegal v Tyrone. The skill level and speed of thought of forwards has gone through the roof to engineer scores. It was a intriguing battle in many ways, Tyrone wer in danger of being over run but hung in there and finished brilliantly. I attended many game in the past where there wasn't 20 scores and the blanked defense was years away. There was no uproar. The game was just reviewed without agendas, who did well who didn't and where each team went from here. This almost "who cares about the result, it was a terrible game analysis" is becoming tiresome. What's the deal with counting hand passes and using that as a stick to beat the game with. There is no point in kicking the ball away stupidly. The came has evolved and got smarter. 50/50 balls dont cut it any more. Sure virtually every pass in rugby football is a hand pass and there is no issue with it. The game is full of pulling and dragging too. Loads of power and speed but little eye catching skill. It's unfortunate leinster final wasn't so one sided team was miles better than the other. Looks like it will be that way for a while but Kildare seem for have a good crop coming through, hopefully in a few years they will be competing for Leinster titles again dahayeser (Cork) - Posts: 338 - 18/07/2016 10:36:05 1885308 Link
I agree with most posts here, the football is brutal ,mostly from Donegal, I though if Tyrone were playing an open team they wouldn't be just as defensive and im glad they won, but it was only watchable near the end because we had no clue what way it was going to go, The GAA would do us all a favour if they done two things: 1. get all the games back on rte and stop selling the thousands of people that watched /volunteered to the gaa all there lives and this will get interest back in the game and 2. find away to stop the defensive type of football, it needs to be attractive and exciting and its not, defensive games aside, I had no interest watching Dublin v Westmeath either and you cant blame Dublin there is no team in leinster fit to give them some bit of a game, it just proves there's a major overhaul needed of the championship for both reasons, at this rate the all Ireland final could well be another disaster. bisto kid (Cavan) - Posts:487 - 17/07/2016 20:13:16Who are all the thousands and thousands who cant afford to watch games on other channels. RTE dont want to have all the games with just them showing the games. They cant afford that and where do you propose for the GAA to find the extra income that would be lost if you have less tv channels showing games? How do you propose to stop this defensive type of football and why should it be stopped as its up to teams to come up with systems capable of breaking the defense orientated teams. What overhaul would you bring to the championship? I disagree with the statement that is the name of this thread. Today's game between Tyrone and Donegal was an excellent game, okay defensive but close, absorbing and in the end skillful also. If there is an issue in Gaelic Football it is still the ridiculous setup of the championship where 4 Division 1 teams play in one province. It is well past time for a properly structured main competition which would have the top teams all playing each other, not just the Ulster ones. tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts:603 - 17/07/2016 20:14:13Provincial championships still need to be kept but what championship set up would you have? The game isn't that bad at all. I enjoyed Donegal v Tyrone. The skill level and speed of thought of forwards has gone through the roof to engineer scores. It was a intriguing battle in many ways, Tyrone wer in danger of being over run but hung in there and finished brilliantly. I attended many game in the past where there wasn't 20 scores and the blanked defense was years away. There was no uproar. The game was just reviewed without agendas, who did well who didn't and where each team went from here. This almost "who cares about the result, it was a terrible game analysis" is becoming tiresome. What's the deal with counting hand passes and using that as a stick to beat the game with. There is no point in kicking the ball away stupidly. The came has evolved and got smarter. 50/50 balls dont cut it any more. Sure virtually every pass in rugby football is a hand pass and there is no issue with it. The game is full of pulling and dragging too. Loads of power and speed but little eye catching skill. It's unfortunate leinster final wasn't so one sided team was miles better than the other. Looks like it will be that way for a while but Kildare seem for have a good crop coming through, hopefully in a few years they will be competing for Leinster titles again dahayeser (Cork) - Posts:183 - 18/07/2016 10:36:05Counting handpasses because there is too much and while you can have different styles the game is football, gaelic, not gaelic handball. Talking about rugby and virtually all passes being hand pass is a nonsense. It has an offside line and you cant just kick the ball 50metres to a player on your team... ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 18/07/2016 11:35:40 1885374 Link
I think Donegal were ultra negative in the second half and ended up being beaten because of it. They had their foot on Tyrone's throat but seemed happy to try and play out the match owning the ball on half way rather than stamping home their advantage. That being said I would not say that Tyrone played attacking football. They played very defensively with 14 to 15 behind the ball and broke forward when turning Donegal over, effectively beating Donegal at their own game. I personally have no problem with teams working out a strategy that best suits them. In fact their own fans don't seem too bothered as they follow their county in mass numbers, and to be fair, that is all any county manager/player will give a hoot about, not the arm chair fan that craves for the glory days of yesteryear. I think it is down to teams to beat this mass defence system and then it will naturally phase out. Easier said than done I suppose. BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 311 - 18/07/2016 12:13:33 1885414 Link
I have to say I think the mass defence is here to stay. It is impossible to play around imo, we now have the situation of teams attacking and defending en masse like they do in basketball. It has evolved into a game of quick turnovers and counter attacks. The days of mano a mano are long gone and wont be coming back soon unless rules are changed by Central Council bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 18/07/2016 12:47:16 1885445 Link
No , the title should be , the game was dying . We have had some matches this year and some upsets oakleafersir (Derry) - Posts: 808 - 18/07/2016 12:58:44 1885457 Link
Football is dead. Its gealic handball now. tyrone and donegal kicked the ball 14 times each yesterday in the first half. 14 Times !!!!!! Slowly people will stop following it. Hopefully the bigger games will see some football played Ah_Here (Mayo) - Posts: 42 - 18/07/2016 13:04:22 1885461 Link
Replying To bumpernut: "I have to say I think the mass defence is here to stay. It is impossible to play around imo, we now have the situation of teams attacking and defending en masse like they do in basketball. It has evolved into a game of quick turnovers and counter attacks. The days of mano a mano are long gone and wont be coming back soon unless rules are changed by Central Council" I've been saying this for years. I've rehashed this a few times so once more won't matter http://bigsportingblog.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/game-theory-and-gaelic-football.html?m=1 benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 18/07/2016 13:15:36 1885468 Link
The GAA have to get rid of the swarm tackle 4 or 5 tacklers around a player and they all have their arms rapped around him Should be a free to the ball carrier every time All the first tackler in football does is slow the ball carrier down so all the others can jump in Now not saying the ball carrier can just barge through But this is where the ref comes in he has to call the game by the rules A tackle is on the ball not the player If we want it different then change the rules cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 454 - 18/07/2016 13:16:12 1885469 Link
Replying To PoolSturgeon: "OK Saffron Don, point taken. If you say rugby is also gaining a foothold in the nationalist population of Northern Ireland you're the man to know. My perception was that the nationalist community in Northern Ireland was more tightly knit than that and therefore more impervious to a game like rugby that has such strong Unionist connections up north. But I suppose the recent Euro championships demonstrated significant cross community support for the Northern Ireland soccer team does indicate that things are in a state of flux. Doire FC, sometimes sport and politics do overlap on this island and it is unavoidable to discuss the problems of one without discussing the influence of the other. If you want to blame anyone for politicising this thread it is me but I'm parking it there now." from my own experience, there's three lads that play rugby who also play for our gaelic team. those lads grew up playing gaelic but turned to rugby later on and definitely prioritise rugby first. i know of similar trends happening at neighbouring clubs also. the NI football team has at least 3 players who come from a gaelic background and many lads i know play soccer along side gaelic because their soccer matches are usually saturday and gaelic on sunday and young lads usually want to play as many matches as possible, whatever the sport. while its nice to see the communities open up a lot more, there seems to be less unionists making the same steps towards gaelic. i think in general they still see it as a game and not a sport and the clubs being named after republicans is still a big issue for many. SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 18/07/2016 13:18:59 1885472 Link
Replying To dahayeser: "The game isn't that bad at all. I enjoyed Donegal v Tyrone. The skill level and speed of thought of forwards has gone through the roof to engineer scores. It was a intriguing battle in many ways, Tyrone wer in danger of being over run but hung in there and finished brilliantly. I attended many game in the past where there wasn't 20 scores and the blanked defense was years away. There was no uproar. The game was just reviewed without agendas, who did well who didn't and where each team went from here. This almost "who cares about the result, it was a terrible game analysis" is becoming tiresome. What's the deal with counting hand passes and using that as a stick to beat the game with. There is no point in kicking the ball away stupidly. The came has evolved and got smarter. 50/50 balls dont cut it any more. Sure virtually every pass in rugby football is a hand pass and there is no issue with it. The game is full of pulling and dragging too. Loads of power and speed but little eye catching skill. It's unfortunate leinster final wasn't so one sided team was miles better than the other. Looks like it will be that way for a while but Kildare seem for have a good crop coming through, hopefully in a few years they will be competing for Leinster titles again" You say the 'speed of thought was amazing'. Are you having a laugh? If the speed of thought and action was any slower the players would have fallen asleep. neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 18/07/2016 15:21:05 1885626 Link
Replying To Ah_Here: "Football is dead. Its gealic handball now. tyrone and donegal kicked the ball 14 times each yesterday in the first half. 14 Times !!!!!! Slowly people will stop following it. Hopefully the bigger games will see some football played" That's bs. Cos every score bar Sean Cavs fisted score was kicked. Add in foot passes,cos there were some,and wides,kick outs etc and that number would be much higher. Nobody seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 18/07/2016 21:29:07 1885898 Link
Replying To benjyyy: "I've been saying this for years. I've rehashed this a few times so once more won't matter Your" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://bigsportingblog.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/game-theory-and-gaelic-football.html?m=1" Your right.The game is fine whenever both teams go out and attack but it is taking too big a risk for every team bar 1 or 2 to have that approach. The GAA just need to intervene and change the rules so that going out to outscore the opposition is what teams will try and do rather than try and hold the opposition. Other sports can make changes to move with the time why can't the GAA. uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 18/07/2016 23:11:44 1885954 Link
Cheer up Liam, your pessimism is based on just one out of seven matches played over the week end. Why should one defensive game makes you declare that our game is dying when we saw 3-30 in Castlebar (Sun) 2-29 in Croker 3-30 in Sligo 1-35 in Breffni 2-31 in Castlebar (Sat) For all the criticism of the Ulster final it was competitive, tense, sold out (closer to 40,000 than the official 33,000+) and some excellent scores. The glass is more than half full ... roll on August ! Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 507 - 19/07/2016 00:39:27 1885977 Link

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