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They already had played Cork in the first round in Pairc Ui Rinn last year. How many home games do Cork need? Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts:902 - 12/07/2016 16:31:44 yes i know i was at the two game -we played them at home the year before in semi- just thought it was wrong that the reward for beating us was to play us at home -- could easily some day work out the other way- repeat pairings should either not be allowed or give home advantage to winner of previous game . anyway like you i aint too bothered about cork and more concerned with our upcoming games in 21s, minor and camogie v cork janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 12/07/2016 16:39:24 1881970 Link
do they not have a minor hurling league?? that provides games to help develop players manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts: 541 - 12/07/2016 17:03:34 1881988 Link
I think a few Limerick posters have taken exception to my opinion and interpreted it as a jibe at Limerick. It isn't, it is just an example of how one team can lose one game and are out and another can lose one game and progress. I would love to see Limerick win a senior All-Ireland. I know very passionate Limerick supporters from places like Garryspillane and Glenroe. An All-Ireland win for Limerick would be an enormous boast for hurling. For the comments about Cork's struggle. Cork have enough of hurling knowledge within the county to return Cork to where we belong. It's time the Co.Board seek help from Justin McCarthy, Donal O'Grady, John Allen, John Considine, Donal Og, JBM, Bernie O'Connor etc. instead of setting up meaningless action groups chaired by people who haven't a clue about training hurling at an elite level. The hurling knowledge within Cork is unparalleled yet there is no desire to use it The_Bull (Cork) - Posts: 248 - 12/07/2016 17:23:17 1882001 Link
Regarding last yrs Munster match between limk and cork I have no doubt that cork would have won the all irl had they got past us as even without their best player they should have beaten us comfortably. But as we know in limk when you're down sometimes things just don't go your way. someday (Limerick) - Posts: 1104 - 12/07/2016 23:06:22 1882241 Link
Replying To someday: "Regarding last yrs Munster match between limk and cork I have no doubt that cork would have won the all irl had they got past us as even without their best player they should have beaten us comfortably. But as we know in limk when you're down sometimes things just don't go your way." (1) don't worry about Cork, they have 30 All Ireland Senior titles and can pick from half a million people. They will be back (2) the 'best player' you refer was only average in the U21 game this year (3) My point about the structure been miscued was proven today when Galway team, with its full compliment, and having played only Antrim was heavily beaten. Unfair to all concerned Lomerick, Wexford and Galway. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4331 - 14/08/2016 22:18:31 1901022 Link
Its not just minor hurling that has this disease, the provincial championship system is absolutely finished and the sooner people realise it the better. Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 15/08/2016 09:01:49 1901104 Link
How did Galway not win? According to the geniuses playing one game less is a massive advantage over the others let alone 3/4 less games yet they got demolished. Amazing KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 15/08/2016 13:31:42 1901256 Link
Replying To KYTitletown: "How did Galway not win? According to the geniuses playing one game less is a massive advantage over the others let alone 3/4 less games yet they got demolished. Amazing" This is very different from Kerry footballers in a multitude of ways. It's a stupid system anyway. Does no one much good. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 15/08/2016 14:11:53 1901287 Link
Replying To The_Bull: "Re: Brianmac78 (Dublin) A system where you win your 1st game and lose your 2nd game and you're out when you lose you're 1st game and win your next 2 and your into a Munster Final is crazy. One team is allowed to lose a game whereas another team who wins their 1st game but loses their 2nd game is out is ridiculous." Not necessarily - Group play allows teams to lose any of their group matches before advancing - a team advancing with 100% record goes out with 1st loss in the KO thereafter - you are making a similar argument - the same rules apply to everyone, so it's fair. Having said that, GAA structures could do with a revamp. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2611 - 15/08/2016 14:14:37 1901290 Link
Both Minor and u21 are a nonsense, Galway got tanked yesterday by Tipp having had only one previous game v Antrim......u21 is worse were an Antrim team with about 10 training sessions and attendances of <12 players at those get to play in an all Ireland semi final...... Total farce even in the minor B, Kerry beat Down in semi final at weekend yet Kerry are going for five in a row at this level wtf! They won't let the likes of Carlow etc into the B all Ireland as they only want 8 teams in it which is a nonsense. The Celtic challenge is far better idea with group stages, every team getting 5/6 games and teams finding their level as the groups progress.....the minor championship in general is a nonsense and doing nothing for most players development......same as u21 which should move to round robin but exclude players on senior county panels to avoid burn out.... People can say all they want about Cork but their absence from being competitive is hurting the crowds at the all Ireland hurling championships......only themselves to blame though or more particularly one mans vice like grip on structures.....say frightening stat in the all Ireland programme yesterday Cork had 13000 kids registered for cul camps, Dublin were next at about 8500, Tipp had 4500 yet Cork can't win things at underage...go figure PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 15/08/2016 15:44:41 1901337 Link
Whatever about keeping provincials as part of the AI in senior. There is less of a need at minor level. Play the 2 provincials separate to the AI. Under 21 should be the same. It really isn't rocket science. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 15/08/2016 16:43:39 1901371 Link
If you were designing a Minor/U21 championship would any of you come up with this? No you wouldn't/couldn't possibly come up with the current mess, unless you were drunk. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 15/08/2016 22:13:28 1901523 Link
Replying To arock: "If you were designing a Minor/U21 championship would any of you come up with this? No you wouldn't/couldn't possibly come up with the current mess, unless you were drunk." i was recently in a pub with 3 friends from overseas,i considered trying to explain the championship structure,i decided after about 30 seconds not to even try! perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 16/08/2016 08:53:31 1901587 Link
I think provinces are needed much more at Minor level than at Senior level. How can people expect Leaving Cert students from Kerry to travel midweek to somewhere like Sligo or Donegal etc in April/May? KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 16/08/2016 13:03:36 1901756 Link
Replying To PaudieSull1: "Both Minor and u21 are a nonsense, Galway got tanked yesterday by Tipp having had only one previous game v Antrim......u21 is worse were an Antrim team with about 10 training sessions and attendances of <12 players at those get to play in an all Ireland semi final...... Total farce even in the minor B, Kerry beat Down in semi final at weekend yet Kerry are going for five in a row at this level wtf! They won't let the likes of Carlow etc into the B all Ireland as they only want 8 teams in it which is a nonsense. The Celtic challenge is far better idea with group stages, every team getting 5/6 games and teams finding their level as the groups progress.....the minor championship in general is a nonsense and doing nothing for most players development......same as u21 which should move to round robin but exclude players on senior county panels to avoid burn out.... People can say all they want about Cork but their absence from being competitive is hurting the crowds at the all Ireland hurling championships......only themselves to blame though or more particularly one mans vice like grip on structures.....say frightening stat in the all Ireland programme yesterday Cork had 13000 kids registered for cul camps, Dublin were next at about 8500, Tipp had 4500 yet Cork can't win things at underage...go figure" Will people give over about 'the great Cork' following Limerick and Cork played a thrilling Munster Football Final in Cork in 2009-I think- and there was 9000 people at it, The following year they Waterford in a hurling final replay and there was an equally measly 10,000 at that Any county will fill CP on Final day Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4331 - 16/08/2016 20:56:06 1902029 Link
Personally I think an open draw or champions league style group format should be trialled at U-21 and Minor. It's highly unlikely that we will ever see the doing away of Provincial Championships at Senior level, but at least give it a go at underage level. As a Galway man I think it's crazy to see our U-21s going straight into an All Ireland semi final, while our Minors go straight into a quarter final. I would rather they were both beaten early on in the championship, than seeing them get a trimming in an All Ireland semi final which is no good for anyone, or for the game of hurling. For the game as a whole it could only be good, with a group stage everyone gets a minimum of three games, yes you would have a few very one sided games, but sadly that is the nature of the beast. gilly0512 (Galway) - Posts: 1176 - 16/08/2016 21:55:22 1902048 Link
Replying To gilly2308: "Personally I think an open draw or champions league style group format should be trialled at U-21 and Minor. It's highly unlikely that we will ever see the doing away of Provincial Championships at Senior level, but at least give it a go at underage level. As a Galway man I think it's crazy to see our U-21s going straight into an All Ireland semi final, while our Minors go straight into a quarter final. I would rather they were both beaten early on in the championship, than seeing them get a trimming in an All Ireland semi final which is no good for anyone, or for the game of hurling. For the game as a whole it could only be good, with a group stage everyone gets a minimum of three games, yes you would have a few very one sided games, but sadly that is the nature of the beast." Oh come on. They beat Limerick, KK and Tipp to win the All Ireland only twelve months ago. I do admit, and actually initiated this post of it, that playing only Antrim to reach an All Ireland Semi Final was wrong. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4331 - 17/08/2016 13:25:10 1902272 Link
Personally I think an open draw or champions league style group format should be trialled at U-21 and Minor. It's highly unlikely that we will ever see the doing away of Provincial Championships at Senior level, but at least give it a go at underage level. As a Galway man I think it's crazy to see our U-21s going straight into an All Ireland semi final, while our Minors go straight into a quarter final. I would rather they were both beaten early on in the championship, than seeing them get a trimming in an All Ireland semi final which is no good for anyone, or for the game of hurling. For the game as a whole it could only be good, with a group stage everyone gets a minimum of three games, yes you would have a few very one sided games, but sadly that is the nature of the beast. gilly2308 (Galway) - Posts:1057 - 16/08/2016 21:55:22 Removing the provincial championships would be crazy but their role in deciding all Ireland winners has to be altered to make a more even and level championship for all. Galway should be in a provincial championship at all grades but these championships role in deciding all Ireland winner must change from what it is right now but they have to be kept ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 17/08/2016 15:47:26 1902344 Link
Replying To ormondbannerman: "Personally I think an open draw or champions league style group format should be trialled at U-21 and Minor. It's highly unlikely that we will ever see the doing away of Provincial Championships at Senior level, but at least give it a go at underage level. As a Galway man I think it's crazy to see our U-21s going straight into an All Ireland semi final, while our Minors go straight into a quarter final. I would rather they were both beaten early on in the championship, than seeing them get a trimming in an All Ireland semi final which is no good for anyone, or for the game of hurling. For the game as a whole it could only be good, with a group stage everyone gets a minimum of three games, yes you would have a few very one sided games, but sadly that is the nature of the beast. gilly2308 (Galway) - Posts:1057 - 16/08/2016 21:55:22 Removing the provincial championships would be crazy but their role in deciding all Ireland winners has to be altered to make a more even and level championship for all. Galway should be in a provincial championship at all grades but these championships role in deciding all Ireland winner must change from what it is right now but they have to be kept" Ormondbannerman why is it so important that the Provincial Championships are kept at Minor and U-21 level, by all means keep them at senior level, but I do not see the point of keeping them at underage level, should these levels not be used for trialling any future changes at senior level. Do Kilkenny really give a damn that they won Leinster again this year, likewise Dublin or Kerry in football, all that matters to any of them is winning the All Ireland. Putting Galway into Leinster at Minor and U-21 level is very good for Galway, but what about all of the weaker counties discussed earlier in the thread, what are you suggesting we do for them? gilly0512 (Galway) - Posts: 1176 - 17/08/2016 21:42:50 1902499 Link
Ormond why is it so important that the Provincial Championships are kept at Minor and U-21 level, by all means keep them at senior level, but I do not see the point of keeping them at underage level, should these levels not be used for trialling any future changes at senior level. Do Kilkenny really give a damn that they won Leinster again this year, likewise Dublin or Kerry in football, all that matters to any of them is winning the All Ireland. Putting Galway into Leinster at Minor and U-21 level is very good for Galway, but what about all of the weaker counties discussed earlier in the thread, what are you suggesting we do for them? gilly2308 (Galway) - Posts:1058 - 17/08/2016 21:42:50finals are key for promotion of the games. the sport and for the media and especially the fans and players removing competitions doesn't help promotion. Kilkenny may not care as much any more due to success but what about all the counties who don't win provincial titles that much never mind all Irelands. They can dream of an odd provincial title and that is a huge boost to them ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 17/08/2016 21:52:55 1902506 Link