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Its high time the whole championship was re-structured.The provincial championships are dead and everyone knows it.

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 11/07/2016 18:08:43    1881184

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Replying To keeper7:  "Galway didn't even win a championship match during that period so your logic is flawed in my estimation."
How is it flawed. They showed gradual improvement during and we were decent enough, unlike Leinster counties to leave them in hook line and sinker.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4344 - 11/07/2016 21:09:56    1881370

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Replying To Marlon_JD:  "I think there is a very strong argument for scrapping the provincial system at U21 and minor level. There is also a strong argument for scrapping it at senior level, but it would be easier to scrap it at underage first.It doesn't suit hurlings geography, and its probably hurting underage hurling in Ulster and Connacht by persisting with it. It would require some kind of seeding system, but having an open draw would work better for underage. If you wanted to minimize player load, it could be straight knockout. If you wanted to guarantee each team a minimum number of games, you could have a group system. Either way, underage teams from the likes of Derry or Roscommon would start meeting Munster and Leinster teams at underage from the off, and you could also end up with games like Tipp v Kilkenny kicking off the championships. I think its the way to go."
Great post, Marlon. Totally agree.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1907 - 11/07/2016 22:20:13    1881432

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "How is it flawed. They showed gradual improvement during and we were decent enough, unlike Leinster counties to leave them in hook line and sinker."
Find one Galway person to agree with you!

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 12/07/2016 02:53:05    1881501

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Replying To keeper7:  "Find one Galway person to agree with you!"
Were they at senior games in Munster involving in late sixties when the Maroon brigade were giving plenty of it to Cork and Tipp or 71 when they had a titanic game with Tipp in their second year out of Munster? Oh silly me when we played them in the 2002 All Ireland Final Martin Brehony, himself a Galway man reckoned that there was twenty LK people at the game for every one Galway man. Well I was at many of those Championship games and I can assure Galway hurling teams were improving in those years.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4344 - 12/07/2016 10:02:40    1881571

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Perhaps you're right. Why did they pull out of Munster then, though?

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 12/07/2016 13:01:45    1881752

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Replying To keeper7:  "Perhaps you're right. Why did they pull out of Munster then, though?"
Well in 1970, their first year out of Munster, they qualified for the All Ireland Minor Final and they won their first All Ireland U 21 Final in 1972, so I think they did benefit from their spell down here..

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4344 - 12/07/2016 20:26:48    1882099

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Well in 1970, their first year out of Munster, they qualified for the All Ireland Minor Final and they won their first All Ireland U 21 Final in 1972, so I think they did benefit from their spell down here.."
While their seniors were competing in Munster in the 60's it's hard to see how their minors & U21s would have subsequently benefited in the 70's.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 13/07/2016 01:51:19    1882287

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Replying To Condorman:  "Its high time the whole championship was re-structured.The provincial championships are dead and everyone knows it."
Correct, but who are the ones harping on about it?
TBH the current structures in hurling are designed to keep the strong stronger and is doing nothing to bring more counties up to the required level.

Time for a structured open draw with everyone entering at the right level, i.e. Div 2 teams playing off for the right at a crack at a Div1B team, the winners going on to face a Div1A team, semi-finals and so on.

In relation to the minors, in Munster you can afford to lose a game and still proceed and that's not to mention the Munster and Leinster final losers getting to meet Galway and Ulster champions.

Yes, cut the Ulster teams off even more and then give us degrading and insulting moral platitudes about keeping the game going up there!!

bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 13/07/2016 10:44:40    1882384

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"TBH the current structures in hurling are designed to keep the strong stronger and is doing nothing to bring more counties up to the required level."

The Leinster round robin does seem to have improved the likes of Westmeath who genuinely want to get to the next level. Until the attitude towards hurling within counties like my own (& yours) changes it doesn't matter what structure is there.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 13/07/2016 12:47:40    1882462

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Until the attitude towards hurling within counties like my own (& yours) changes it doesn't matter what structure is there.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts:3046 - 13/07/2016 12:47:40 1882462

I can't argue with that, but when we see the likes of the Christy Ring diverted from AI semi-final days to late June in an empty Croke Park, When we see teams having to beat relegated teams from said competition and Div1B what are we meant to think?

On these last few hurling review committees where was the voices from the weaker counties? What would Frank Lohan and Martin Fogarty know about the problems in Down and Longford?

bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 13/07/2016 13:04:10    1882478

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Agreed. My issue with keeping the weaker counties hurling into August is that it leaves no scope for the hurling clubs in those counties who already are contending with dual players with club football commitments.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 13/07/2016 13:52:24    1882510

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