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Replying To tiobraid:  "Maybe but I actually think Waterford are better equipped than Clare. They hurl with confidence but far more importantly have big physical athletic players all over the field. Clare don't have that."
I'm a big fan of this Waterford team also.Championship is warming up nicely.Looking forward to seeing these four teams in action on Saturday.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 07/07/2016 11:31:30    1877780

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Replying To juniorjudge:  "Well holy god as miley would say!!! Where is this enormous fancying of clare winning the AI coming from??? If LK turn up on saturday there will be very little in it...CE could be out of the championship saturday night. And if they do beat LK i think im right in saying they will play GAL or TY (if TY loose MHF) and thats not even mentioning the cat machine in the south east!!!!

Good squad with potential talent, poor management....flabbergasted at how so many "fancy" CE this term. WD had the beating of them in the 2 league finals but messed that up themselves and the championship...well we saw what happened there. Not sure theres cause for hysteria by beating LS by a cricket score. I just hope LK turn up saturday!"
Don't write them off either though. It is not just a matter of Limerick turning up. I would say there is very little between Limerick, Clare and Waterford (and possibly Galway). I think KK are out ahead with Tipp just behind them (just opinion which may change this weekend). I think Cork and Wexford are the weakest links left (on current form). One will be gone this weekend and the other has the opportunity to get a run going.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 07/07/2016 11:32:31    1877781

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There's no hysteria here regards Clare.Just i tipped them before the start of championship so i wont be jumping ship until their gone.Of course they are not the full package?They have their weaknesses like all teams but sometimes you have to call it and get off the fence.Of course Limerick could beat Clare on Saturday but i dont think they will.Lets wait and see how the year progresses.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 07/07/2016 11:38:52    1877790

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Replying To bennybunny:  "Don't write them off either though. It is not just a matter of Limerick turning up. I would say there is very little between Limerick, Clare and Waterford (and possibly Galway). I think KK are out ahead with Tipp just behind them (just opinion which may change this weekend). I think Cork and Wexford are the weakest links left (on current form). One will be gone this weekend and the other has the opportunity to get a run going."
Id have a disagree slightly with your tier structure. Id be of the opinion:

Kilkenny + Tipp
Waterford + Clare
Galway + Limerick
Cork + Dublin
Wexford
Offaly, Kerry, Laois, Westmeath, Meath, Antrim etc

And certainly not underrating CE either....just think WD would put up more of a challenge in September to KK or TY. this weekend cant come quick enough!!!

juniorjudge (Waterford) - Posts: 383 - 07/07/2016 12:54:14    1877859

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I'm surprised there's this much debate. Seems clear to me that Cork and Clare will win here. Limerick have been a disaster all year. Wexford equally so. Clare have shown patches of good form. Cork have been poor but have too much quality up front to lose to wexford who are missing so many.

If tiering hurling's power structure, I would put the groups like this of the teams that are left.

Kilkenny

Tipperary
Waterford

Clare

Galway
Cork
Limerick
Wexford

I still think only Tipperary, Waterford or Clare have any hope of beating KK which is, as I said, an improvement on the past few years when only Tipp were capable of doing it. Hope for a serious step up in entertainment this weekend but won't hold my breath. The championship has been the worst in a long time so far.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 07/07/2016 13:15:26    1877874

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Do I?

The Cork County Board appointed a junior B club football manager to the position of senior intercounty coach. And that was after the last fiasco. This is the contempt they have for the team. Look at the state of our football team. It was in this context, I said we should pull out. Obviously we are not going to pull out. We will just trundle along and 200 supporters will go to the games.
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts:3204 - 06/07/2016 22:05:41 1877630

Benny,

Who is this Junior B manager you are on about. Healy played for Naomh Aban. He has managed Dr. Crokes and Donovan's Rossa and was a fine footballer with Coláiste Íosagáin. He might not be the best manager in the county but we can't keep going back to Billy Morgan to sort things out. The 2010 All-Ireland was Morgan's team. Why do you have contempt for the team? It doesn't matter how many supporters follow a team, people are too hung up on attendances.

The_Bull (Cork) - Posts: 248 - 07/07/2016 13:58:09    1877912

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Replying To blackspot91:  "And how do you reckon clare or cork will do that? Clare have done nothing since 2013 (when they avoided kk and tipp). and when was the last time they played kk or tipp in championship anyway? they're decent to be fair but the word overrated springs to mind..."
Blackspot you seem to be on a mission to dismiss other counties achievements,if that's the business we're in you could argue all limerick have done in the last 20 years is win a Munster where both games were at home and got an all Ireland in 07 beating a Waterford team out in croke park for the 3rd Sunday running

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 07/07/2016 14:39:18    1877947

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Replying To The_Bull:  "Do I?

The Cork County Board appointed a junior B club football manager to the position of senior intercounty coach. And that was after the last fiasco. This is the contempt they have for the team. Look at the state of our football team. It was in this context, I said we should pull out. Obviously we are not going to pull out. We will just trundle along and 200 supporters will go to the games.
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts:3204 - 06/07/2016 22:05:41 1877630

Benny,

Who is this Junior B manager you are on about. Healy played for Naomh Aban. He has managed Dr. Crokes and Donovan's Rossa and was a fine footballer with Coláiste Íosagáin. He might not be the best manager in the county but we can't keep going back to Billy Morgan to sort things out. The 2010 All-Ireland was Morgan's team. Why do you have contempt for the team? It doesn't matter how many supporters follow a team, people are too hung up on attendances."
I have no contempt for the team at all. I think that if we had a Jim McGuiness, James Horan etc in charge we would be All-Ireland champions within a few years. I know Peadar Healy. he lives in Glengarriff. Prior to getting the senior county manager job, he was coach of that team. That was it. We all know that he wasn't even first choice for the job (that is not being disrespectful to him). He got the job because he is a face that fits those that are really in charge (again not being disrespectful to him). This squad has fantastic footballers. Brian Hurley, Colm O'Neill, Fintan Goold, Michael Shields, Tomas Clancy are as talented players as exist anywhere. Not only that there are loads of guys in the county that could get on the team - Mark Sugrue, Dan McEoin, Shane Beston, Rory O Hagan etc are all very talented. In short, few counties have as much as talent as we have and look where we are? relegated to Division 2 and losing to Tipp's B team...Perhaps you are happy with that. personally I'd rather not enter a team than waste people's time. That is what is happening. We have even forsaken home advantage this weekend so that we can get some favours for our white elephant down the road.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 07/07/2016 15:26:12    1877979

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Replying To wexico15:  "Blackspot you seem to be on a mission to dismiss other counties achievements,if that's the business we're in you could argue all limerick have done in the last 20 years is win a Munster where both games were at home and got an all Ireland in 07 beating a Waterford team out in croke park for the 3rd Sunday running"
Exactly. We have done nothing bar one year of the last 10. Same as Clare. Both had a decent 2013. And in fact their record is worse than ours outside of that year. But we don't see ourselves as contenders. They do. That's the point. There is no valid reason what so ever for anyone to consider them contenders.

mike03 (Limerick) - Posts: 2000 - 07/07/2016 15:46:45    1877993

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Replying To juniorjudge:  "Id have a disagree slightly with your tier structure. Id be of the opinion:

Kilkenny + Tipp
Waterford + Clare
Galway + Limerick
Cork + Dublin
Wexford
Offaly, Kerry, Laois, Westmeath, Meath, Antrim etc

And certainly not underrating CE either....just think WD would put up more of a challenge in September to KK or TY. this weekend cant come quick enough!!!"
You have Waterford and Clare above Galway... based upon what?
Galway are currently the no2 team in the country. Have you based it upon Clare having only beaten Offaly and Laois in 2 and half seasons?
Waterford have potential and everyone in Galway would be delighted to see you win an AI ( I was at the 2013 final and glad you beat Galway in the mInors as you really needed it) but to have you above us... not even level! I find surprising. The first half of the AI last year and this years first half Leinster Final show Galway have what it takes to play at a better level then KK...sustaining it into a full match can be done. Its easier to prolong something that is there then to wish it out of thin air because its never happened!

mr305 (Galway) - Posts: 46 - 07/07/2016 16:18:12    1878017

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Replying To mr305:  "You have Waterford and Clare above Galway... based upon what?
Galway are currently the no2 team in the country. Have you based it upon Clare having only beaten Offaly and Laois in 2 and half seasons?
Waterford have potential and everyone in Galway would be delighted to see you win an AI ( I was at the 2013 final and glad you beat Galway in the mInors as you really needed it) but to have you above us... not even level! I find surprising. The first half of the AI last year and this years first half Leinster Final show Galway have what it takes to play at a better level then KK...sustaining it into a full match can be done. Its easier to prolong something that is there then to wish it out of thin air because its never happened!"
I'd imagine based on all current form! Galway have been shocking all year

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 07/07/2016 16:21:12    1878019

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I'd imagine based on all current form! Galway have been shocking all year"
So the league you mean? That was always going to be the case after the managerial upheaval during the autumn. And awful? They beat cork at home, draw with Tipp at home, drew with Waterford away and lost to Dublin in Parnell and KK in Nowlan... which pretty much all teams do!

Followed up with 2 leinster SHC wins, an accomplished first half against KK before falling badly away against the very best team around. I don't think that equates to anything like 'shocking form' and sounds more like hyperbole.

mr305 (Galway) - Posts: 46 - 07/07/2016 17:31:30    1878059

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Kilkenny are so hard to beat as we all know so it's it's fair to have them at the top.Although i tipped Clare this year,there is nothing between them,Waterford,Galway,Limerick and Tipp at the moment.On any given day any of these teams can beat each other.Cork are not far off either and could take a scalp before the year is out.Wexford are a little off the pace i feel.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 07/07/2016 17:39:18    1878065

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Replying To cuederocket:  "Kilkenny are so hard to beat as we all know so it's it's fair to have them at the top.Although i tipped Clare this year,there is nothing between them,Waterford,Galway,Limerick and Tipp at the moment.On any given day any of these teams can beat each other.Cork are not far off either and could take a scalp before the year is out.Wexford are a little off the pace i feel."
Limerick can't even be mentioned in the same breath as waterford, tipp or even galway.

Cork are ahead of them but are also non-runners compared to these three.
I would be monumentally shocked if Limerick beat Clare. It hasn't clicked in the past year and a half, I don't expect it to come right this weekend. I'd say a loss by 7 points.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 07/07/2016 18:56:38    1878095

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Replying To hurlinspuds:  "Limerick can't even be mentioned in the same breath as waterford, tipp or even galway.

Cork are ahead of them but are also non-runners compared to these three.
I would be monumentally shocked if Limerick beat Clare. It hasn't clicked in the past year and a half, I don't expect it to come right this weekend. I'd say a loss by 7 points."
We all see things differently 'spuds.How have Limerick regressed so much since they nearly beat Kilkenny on that rain sodden day?The Limerick posters will have more answers than we will.In saying that i think they have the guts of a good team and if they can put in a big performance on Saturday they could very well rattle Clare.Traditionally Limerick have a good record v the banner and surely there is one big game in Limerick?Personally i would rate this Limerick team ahead of Cork ; even accounting for their poor form.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 07/07/2016 19:27:49    1878107

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Replying To mr305:  "You have Waterford and Clare above Galway... based upon what?
Galway are currently the no2 team in the country. Have you based it upon Clare having only beaten Offaly and Laois in 2 and half seasons?
Waterford have potential and everyone in Galway would be delighted to see you win an AI ( I was at the 2013 final and glad you beat Galway in the mInors as you really needed it) but to have you above us... not even level! I find surprising. The first half of the AI last year and this years first half Leinster Final show Galway have what it takes to play at a better level then KK...sustaining it into a full match can be done. Its easier to prolong something that is there then to wish it out of thin air because its never happened!"
This is a joke right???? Come on fellas dont be winding me up ye know im easy to wind up ye divils :)

juniorjudge (Waterford) - Posts: 383 - 07/07/2016 21:19:22    1878166

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Replying To mr305:  "So the league you mean? That was always going to be the case after the managerial upheaval during the autumn. And awful? They beat cork at home, draw with Tipp at home, drew with Waterford away and lost to Dublin in Parnell and KK in Nowlan... which pretty much all teams do!

Followed up with 2 leinster SHC wins, an accomplished first half against KK before falling badly away against the very best team around. I don't think that equates to anything like 'shocking form' and sounds more like hyperbole."
Galway could not retain their place in Division 1. Same level as Limerick. Enough said.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4342 - 08/07/2016 08:22:51    1878293

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Replying To mr305:  "So the league you mean? That was always going to be the case after the managerial upheaval during the autumn. And awful? They beat cork at home, draw with Tipp at home, drew with Waterford away and lost to Dublin in Parnell and KK in Nowlan... which pretty much all teams do!

Followed up with 2 leinster SHC wins, an accomplished first half against KK before falling badly away against the very best team around. I don't think that equates to anything like 'shocking form' and sounds more like hyperbole."
So you'd fancy Galway to beat Tipp or Waterford if they played them? Won't get within 5-6 points of either of them. Shocking may be a bit over the top alright. Same old Galway maybe better describes them. They were well beaten in both pressure games this year.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 08/07/2016 10:26:51    1878346

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Replying To mike03:  "Exactly. We have done nothing bar one year of the last 10. Same as Clare. Both had a decent 2013. And in fact their record is worse than ours outside of that year. But we don't see ourselves as contenders. They do. That's the point. There is no valid reason what so ever for anyone to consider them contenders."
Exactly my point Mike thank you!

blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 08/07/2016 10:32:09    1878349

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Replying To hurlinspuds:  "Limerick can't even be mentioned in the same breath as waterford, tipp or even galway.

Cork are ahead of them but are also non-runners compared to these three.
I would be monumentally shocked if Limerick beat Clare. It hasn't clicked in the past year and a half, I don't expect it to come right this weekend. I'd say a loss by 7 points."
Galway could not beat the worst Cork I have ever seen to retain Division 1 status. Are they really that superior to Limerick. Three of their best forwards V Cork and Tipp last year were on the field in that years U21 Semi Final, they 3 points between them. Hardly a massive performance.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4342 - 08/07/2016 19:16:58    1878640

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