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You say Canning has had poor games! After that display in Thurles he was a marked man, no more than DJ Carey who failed to score in 2 or 3 All Irelands. Hard to play well when 2 or 3 fellas are dragging you down every few minutes and often no protection from ref or umpires. baire (Galway) - Posts:191 - 06/07/2016 16:53:47 baire (Galway) - Posts: 1806 - 06/07/2016 17:03:51 1877474 Link 0 |
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I'll leave it this. Look up the stat overall top scorer ever in hurling championship. I'm not saying scoring buckets against teams is the sign of anything. But it's honestly laughable that you agree with Loughnane that he has done nothing to gain a reputation. He is fourth on the list of scorers ever. Fourth. Plenty of exceptional hurlers well behind him. And the highest current player not retired. As I heard Mourinho say this week the only thing he has to prove is to himself.
SamandLiamSoon (Galway) - Posts: 591 - 06/07/2016 17:45:50 1877515 Link 0 |
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I never said that so dont be putting words in my mouth please.
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 06/07/2016 18:04:49 1877526 Link 0 |
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His track record is outstanding cue. Liam has provided some more salient points for your consideration in relation to scoring stats.. Loughnane has seen Joe Canning up close and personal. He is wrong. I have seen Joe Canning hurling often. He has been exceptional on many, many occasions at all age levels at club and yes even at senior inter county level. The same charge was levelled at DJ Carey and it is equally ridiculous in relation to DJ. As I have said before Henry Shefflin is the greatest forward I have ever seen and I have seen every All Ireland r hurling final since 1972. There is one huge factor that makes this a very unfair comparison. Henry Shefflin never had to play against these great Kilkenny teams. Joe has to play against them year in year out. His reputation is deserved and is based on his record of achievement to date.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 06/07/2016 18:21:52 1877535 Link 1 |
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I know all that greengrass and have followed Joe's career with interest.I have already said he has more skill and natural ability than nearly every other hurler.But im sticking to my guns that he has lacked consistency and doesn't have the same work rate as some of the other greats.I cant say for sure but maybe that is what Loughnane meant by saying where does Joe get his reputation?I think that was a big statement and i would be very interested to hear Loughnane elaborate on the matter.I want to know why he said it?What does he really think about Joe Canning.Lets hear it Loughnane!
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 06/07/2016 18:42:25 1877540 Link 0 |
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Open play is often not a reliable guide on forwards...Henry Shefflin's Championship game average from open play is under 3 points yet this doesn't diminish his reputation.
conordee (Galway) - Posts: 440 - 06/07/2016 18:51:31 1877543 Link 0 |
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Henrys work rate and leadership seperate him from so many others.I never saw him let up in the basics of the game - blocking,hooking,harassing etc.The man had an insatiable appetite for graft.
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 06/07/2016 19:08:09 1877550 Link 0 |
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We'll agree to disagree on Joe cue . I too would like to hear Ger Loughnane elaborate on his assertions .
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 06/07/2016 20:52:29 1877584 Link 0 |
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I agree with you there 100% but not on your original point of concentrating on scores from open play in which case you would be marking King Henry down.
conordee (Galway) - Posts: 440 - 06/07/2016 22:20:31 1877640 Link 0 |
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Is this post for real. Its titled loughnane rips into Galway, but its has descended into a farce called the shortcomings of Joe Canning. As a Galway fanatic, I wouldn't trade Joe for any hurler in the country, not even TJ Ried or Richie Hogan. IMAO, the reason why Galway lost on Sunday is the main reason we lost to Kilkenny down the years is that we were cleaned out in the half froward line, and when the pressure came on the in the second half, we resorted to pumping long high skyscrapers into our forward line, over their heads, where Kilkenny had the numbers to deal with it. In short, a lack of hurling intelligence was displayed, as well as a lack of calmness on the ball. Cathal Mannion was on fire in the first half, but himself and Joe were given shocking service in the second half. Galway have to really think about varying their game, and how the ball is distributed to the forwards. That will be the difference in the end, not a lack or heart, guts or effort. I can recall that ever being a problem with any Galway team i've ever watched. galwaydublin (Galway) - Posts: 226 - 07/07/2016 07:18:20 1877690 Link 0 |
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In all but two of those years Kilkenny have won all but two of the All Irelands - I don't think it would really mattered who was in Leinster at the time. Galway are the only team Kilkenny fear in Leinster at this point in time, perhaps a couple of years ago Dublin. The last time Wexford played Kilkenny what was the score at half time?
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1805 - 07/07/2016 16:15:51 1878015 Link 0 |
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Probably better to be overrated than underrated, as a general rule of thumb about talent. I mean why would a team or an individual be consistently overrated? It doesn't make sense. In relation to Wexford, it would perhaps be preferable to be overrated, as opposed to being not rated.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3423 - 07/07/2016 16:32:49 1878024 Link 1 |
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There is no let up from Loughnane as he responds to Ollie Cannings criticism of his tenure in Galway by blaming both Canning's self imposed exile in 2007 for their loss to Kilkenny.His comment that Joe wanted to do a world tour but only got as far as Limerick is damning if true.Sean Treacy and D Hayes put the county final v Loughrea to one side for the good of the county.Interesting.This could become a nasty,media war of words. cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 08/07/2016 10:22:38 1878341 Link 0 |
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Indeed it could.If I was Ger I'ld pull in the horns.Isn't it true that he only named the team for one game when the players were warming up on the pitch?
Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 08/07/2016 10:52:38 1878359 Link 0 |
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Not matter what went on, Loughnane isn't acting with very much class.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 08/07/2016 10:52:57 1878360 Link 0 |
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He always named dummy teams in Clare if i remember correctly.Most of that Clare team picked itself but there was always a couple of forward positions up for debate.I never like managers doing the same.
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 08/07/2016 11:10:37 1878369 Link 0 |
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Looks like Ger has had this grievance with Galway since he left and with O Canning's public criticism of him he feels the need to set the record straight.Ollie's a big boy now.Knowing Loughnane he should have expected a response.
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 08/07/2016 11:16:11 1878374 Link 0 |
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Damning if true? What does that mean? A kid of 18 decides not to play Senior in 2007 for whatever reason, surely thats his business and should be respected.
conordee (Galway) - Posts: 440 - 08/07/2016 12:13:06 1878409 Link 4 |
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Of course its ok to leave whenever you want.But if he told Loughnane the reason was he was going to travel the world and never got further than Limerick i think Loughnane has a right to be disappointed with that.Would you not be yourself if you were told that?
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 08/07/2016 12:23:11 1878417 Link 1 |
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As far as I remember Joe spent that summer playing hurling in America. Even if he didn't, it's no business of Loughnane's what he did or where he went.
GalwayLurker (Galway) - Posts: 107 - 08/07/2016 13:43:41 1878476 Link 1 |