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Last year the Irish soccer team couldn't get a crowd into the Aviva except for the Germany & Poland (more Poles at it!) games. It's the biggest bandwagon going.
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 30/06/2016 12:38:38
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all the praise for supporters of rep and north of ireland
there is a cross border european tie tonight
im looking forward to see all these medal winning supporters of irish soccer filing through the turnstiles.
cork held a press conference for this game yesterday morning and only one journalist bothered to turn up.
St Patrick's Athletic won the first leg of their first qualifying round match against Jeunesse Esch of Luxembourg on Tuesday but it did not warrant a mention on the state broadcaster's evening news bulletin.
Advancing one round in the Europa League qualifiers is worth more than €200,000. In comparison the winners of the League of Ireland earn €110,000 after an eight-month season.
finishing second last season Cork won €55,000.
both leagues receive insufficient investment.
The FAs of both will have earned a minimum €10m from their national sides' performances in France and when, in the Republic's case at least, almost a third of the squad are products of domestic clubs the sums involved appears dramatically unbalanced. Not least with the association's chief executive, John Delaney, earning €360,000 per annum.
This is the same man who once labelled the league of ireland a "problem child"
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 30/06/2016 13:27:25
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Replying To ROS1: "Your figures are wrong the show 24 domestic soccer games and 32 football/ hurling games. if you had read my you would have seen i said the showed more domestic soccer games then either football or hurling 2 separate sports." If you're saying 24 you must be including Ireland international games, because the head of RTÉ says right here about Irish club soccer only a few months ago " There is a bit of flexibility but in terms of our commitment to 17 matches and we will deliver 17 matches this year, like we did last year and like we will for the next three years of the contract."
http://www.intallaght.ie/rte-explain-position-on-league-of-ireland-coverage/
This means that for roughly every 20 games played in Irish club soccer, 1 gets on TV.
Compare this to hurling and football. Look at the broadcasting sections of these 2 pages and it lists the games broadcast on RTÉ. I count 16 in hurling and 19 in football. 16 out of 26 games in hurling means that for every 3 SHC games played, 2 get shown on RTÉ. Even more if you include sky. That's about 30 times the relative coverage the League of Ireland gets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_All-Ireland_Senior_Hurling_Championship#Broadcasting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship#Live_broadcast_matches
Football gets about 1 in 3 games on TV, but that's more understandable, given the huge number of mismatches and games on at the same time.
CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1646 - 30/06/2016 13:27:31
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Replying To CastleBravo: "If you're saying 24 you must be including Ireland international games, because the head of RTÉ says right here about Irish club soccer only a few months ago " There is a bit of flexibility but in terms of our commitment to 17 matches and we will deliver 17 matches this year, like we did last year and like we will for the next three years of the contract." http://www.intallaght.ie/rte-explain-position-on-league-of-ireland-coverage/ This means that for roughly every 20 games played in Irish club soccer, 1 gets on TV. Compare this to hurling and football. Look at the broadcasting sections of these 2 pages and it lists the games broadcast on RTÉ. I count 16 in hurling and 19 in football. 16 out of 26 games in hurling means that for every 3 SHC games played, 2 get shown on RTÉ. Even more if you include sky. That's about 30 times the relative coverage the League of Ireland gets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_All-Ireland_Senior_Hurling_Championship#Broadcasting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship#Live_broadcast_matches Football gets about 1 in 3 games on TV, but that's more understandable, given the huge number of mismatches and games on at the same time."
ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 30/06/2016 16:51:07
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Replying To ROS1: "Google rte league of ireland coverage you will see that rte have agreed to cover 78 domestic soccer games over a 4 year period, which is 19.5 games less than the previous deal which I was quoating. You forget about the cup. You will also see a link saying that rte are covering 31 championship games this year. You mention the coverage per game well there are 117 league football games and rte don't cover a single one." RTÉ probably agree to cover 31 championship games, but replays will stretch that out a bit every year. Even if you round it up to 20 Irish soccer games a year, that's still 6% coverage of the Irish soccer season. You can't blame RTÉ for not showing the league, they don't have the rights to it. TG4 and setanta show the league.
It's still totally inaccurate to say there's more coverage of domestic soccer is more than hurling or football.
CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1646 - 30/06/2016 21:35:50
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Replying To CastleBravo: "RTÉ probably agree to cover 31 championship games, but replays will stretch that out a bit every year. Even if you round it up to 20 Irish soccer games a year, that's still 6% coverage of the Irish soccer season. You can't blame RTÉ for not showing the league, they don't have the rights to it. TG4 and setanta show the league.
It's still totally inaccurate to say there's more coverage of domestic soccer is more than hurling or football." More domestic soccer games are shown live then either football or hurling, domestic soccer gets a hour long highlights programme every week, neither football or hurling gets that. Then if a Irish team advances in Europe that gets shown as well. Domestic soccer despite having a fraction of the public interest gets more coverage then either football or hurling. There is nothing to stop rte from bidding for league rights and the rarely show replays not showing cavan tryone replay for example
ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 01/07/2016 10:59:22
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Replying To Adamski: "It is actually getting tiresome the level of negativity that is in the print and social media. For example martin breheny in today's independent highlighted the last 20 mins of meath v dublin to illustrate all that is wrong with football. Hardly any reference with the exception to diarmuid connolly of some great point scoring, free taking and catching in the game. Yes it was one-sided but picking a section of a game that was over to make a point is ridiculous. There is the constant moaning about the lack of competitive games but yet we had galway v mayo, cork v tipp, cavan v tyrone, donegal v westmeath, kildare v westmeath, westmeath v offaly to mention a few, all tight games irrespective of whether or not they were of the highest quality. Then we keep hearing the championship only kicks into action at the bank holiday weekend which is totally disrespectful to the teams in the back door which I might add could throw up some great games. Then we have the repetitive jargon about the top teams being way ahead, was that not always the case. Were kerry and dublin in the 70s, meath and cork late 80s , tyrone and kerry in the noughties not consistently ahead of the other counties. Then we have the moaning about the lack of high fielding in the game, correct me if I am wrong but I have seen some fine catching over the last 5 years. Just go back last week, colm cavanagh made an unreal catch against cavan, brian fenton and the meath midfielder harry rooney went into the skies on a few occassions last weekend but no we still keep reading about the lack of this facade of the game. Yes, there are problems in our game, maybe the championship needs restructuring but it would be nice to see some positivity, we have some absolute brilliant players in the country at present. Michael Murphy, sean kavanagh, gearoid mckernan, donal keoghan, ryan mchugh, tom walsh. michael quinlivan, paul conroy, etc. etc,, specifically left out players from dublin, kerry and meath just to highlight the point." Read Martin Breheny's article and agree with everything he said on hand passing. Shining light on a problem in the game is not treason. Most people I talk to agree with this. People I talked to in the stadium were saying the same thing after the match (as well as being amazed that Meaths ability/ ambition to get at Dublin was reduced to this). I exchanged text messages along similar lines after the match. The extra fitness of players has led to a game that is almost unrecognisable from what it was. The rule makers have not kept up with how teams fitness levels have changed over times.
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1354 - 01/07/2016 11:09:42
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Google rte league of ireland coverage you will see that rte have agreed to cover 78 domestic soccer games over a 4 year period, which is 19.5 games less than the previous deal which I was quoating. You forget about the cup. You will also see a link saying that rte are covering 31 championship games this year. You mention the coverage per game well there are 117 league football games and rte don't cover a single one.
ROS1 (Roscommon) - Posts:495 - 30/06/2016 16:51:07 BUT RTE CANNOT SHOW League games in GAA as they legally cant. The rights to national league are owned by other stations.
RTÉ probably agree to cover 31 championship games, but replays will stretch that out a bit every year. Even if you round it up to 20 Irish soccer games a year, that's still 6% coverage of the Irish soccer season. You can't blame RTÉ for not showing the league, they don't have the rights to it. TG4 and setanta show the league.
It's still totally inaccurate to say there's more coverage of domestic soccer is more than hurling or football.
CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts:892 - 30/06/2016 21:35:50 Exactly. Spot on
More domestic soccer games are shown live then either football or hurling, domestic soccer gets a hour long highlights programme every week, neither football or hurling gets that. Then if a Irish team advances in Europe that gets shown as well. Domestic soccer despite having a fraction of the public interest gets more coverage then either football or hurling. There is nothing to stop rte from bidding for league rights and the rarely show replays not showing cavan tryone replay for example
ROS1 (Roscommon) - Posts:495 - 01/07/2016 10:59:22Sunday Game is a weekly programme with highlights and analysis all through the summer. Gaelic and Hurling are also shown on TG4, Sky. Same cant be said for irish domestic soccer. How do you know RTE can support league coverage. How do you know they would have resources to bid for the league and that enough people feel they need to bid for national gaa leagues?
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/07/2016 11:21:23
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Castlebravo your arguments make no sense domestic soccer gets 19 or 20 games love compared to hurling 12, plus you also get a highlight hour long programme every week whereas hurling has to share a highlights programme with football, much the same way with football. Very few replays are shown this weekend we have the first 2 of the year neither of which are been shown. Rte also some European games involving irish sides in Europe as do setenta and tv3. Don't setenta show some league of ireland games as well. There is nothing stopping rte from bidding for league rights or the rights for the under 21 championships
ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 02/07/2016 00:26:59
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Replying To keeper7: "Last year the Irish soccer team couldn't get a crowd into the Aviva except for the Germany & Poland (more Poles at it!) games. It's the biggest bandwagon going." I go home and away to all of Ireland's games and it certainly was a massive bandwagon in France but it is not true to say that there were more Poles in Lansdowne than Irish fans.
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http://m.herald.ie/news/irish-fan-is-jailed-for-eight-months-after-attack-during-euros-34847607.html
Amazing how the national papers kept this quiet in the height of all the praise for the medal winning supporters.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/07/2016 19:50:23
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Replying To hill16no1man: "http://m.herald.ie/news/irish-fan-is-jailed-for-eight-months-after-attack-during-euros-34847607.html
Amazing how the national papers kept this quiet in the height of all the praise for the medal winning supporters." Hearld behind the times, this was in last weeks Indo and Times, cant rember what day
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2144 - 04/07/2016 20:46:05
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Replying To the_walls: "I go home and away to all of Ireland's games and it certainly was a massive bandwagon in France but it is not true to say that there were more Poles in Lansdowne than Irish fans." think keeper is being confused mixing it up with a friendly from a few years ago
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 04/07/2016 21:24:35
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Replying To seadog54: "Hearld behind the times, this was in last weeks Indo and Times, cant rember what day" Yeah I don't think it was today's Herald it was in, just most read articles area.
where was the condemnation of this, it's this kind of negative thing they would be slaughtering the gaa over if it was a gaa supporter. The difference in how they treat sports is clear.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/07/2016 23:21:28
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Replying To alano12: "think keeper is being confused mixing it up with a friendly from a few years ago" You're probably right there. Point still stands, though!
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 05/07/2016 00:59:07
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Replying To keeper7: "You're probably right there. Point still stands, though!" it was a friendly though..quite a difference..of course there is a bandwagon element to it same as every single thing in ireland..the gaa is no different..look at dublin who only fill out croker as they get further in the championship...same thing applies with every other county team
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 05/07/2016 17:05:03
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Friendly or not, we were outnumbered!
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 05/07/2016 20:04:34
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Keeper your wasting your time it's the irish soccer team you can't say a bad word against them boys sure they won a medal for behaving like anybody else who goes on holidays. I wonder will the lanzarote mayor be sending my medal in the post or will he invite me over to collect it haha
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/07/2016 20:32:55
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horse racing similiar to rugby and look at the difference rugby gets the most attention from rte
yet horse racing in ireland is ignored. just another example of the fact rugby pays for the main slots on the news.
its not the biggest sport in ireland though soccer. the gaa is. you wouldnt see soccer dominate the main evening bulletins in new zealand
just because its the biggest sport in the world, rugby is their biggest sport and is placed accordingly. or in the usa its not the main news each night what happened in cardiff v southampton ahead of an american football game would you?
when it comes to ireland in a tournament its such a rarety they blow it out of proportion and salvate at everything from fans opening a wine bottle without a corkscrew with the headline its glorious to watch. like it lasts for a month and goes again for another 4 years
just like the so called rep of ireland supporters, they are like bees come out for a while and once the premier league returns the ireland jersey vanishes until they qualify for a tournament again and their numero uno teams man utd and liverpool are to the fore.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:10807 - 30/06/2016 11:53:25 187
Tomsmith Cavan here
I will address the issues as i see them
First all have to accept that all young Soccer players that have any ambition to progress have to emigrate to a foreign Country should it be England , spain , Italy ect to sell their skills
It has also to be accepted that many soccer teams that has a promising player is on the phone to a scout in to come and have a look at this fellow he will make it across that water and we will get some money (local league placings dont matter) for this transfer.
The attendance at some local soccer games would not exceed what used to be outside Phone Boxes on upper Rathmines Rd on a Monday evening when the cluchies used to ring home to say we landed last night
It has to be accepted that the soccer fraternity is far better organised at Local/County and Country level from a PR point of view.
The lure of a scout attending a soccer game can always take power mums out to local mickey mouse games and finally when Henrys famous hand ball put Ireland out and Blatters subsequent largeness was distributed it shows that soccer is sure a world wide game.
Now I will deal with GAA
The GAA is struggling with the fact it is a local game with little prospect of making it big abroad or in Australia .It is well attended at local level in most Counties. It has its power mum problems where Mammy comes because we Johnnie or Mary are playing. Some grannies and Granfather now come out who would never be seen at a game before. So to try and get a handle on the problems facing both games from a TV point of view why would RTE bother to show local/domestic soccer games. Standard is poor and big names in England dictate that most viewers would like English soccer. The GAA has only a local appeal in Ireland and as such RTE from a commercial point of view will show more soccer games.
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Replying To hill16no1man: "all the praise for supporters of rep and north of ireland
there is a cross border european tie tonight
im looking forward to see all these medal winning supporters of irish soccer filing through the turnstiles.
cork held a press conference for this game yesterday morning and only one journalist bothered to turn up.
St Patrick's Athletic won the first leg of their first qualifying round match against Jeunesse Esch of Luxembourg on Tuesday but it did not warrant a mention on the state broadcaster's evening news bulletin.
Advancing one round in the Europa League qualifiers is worth more than €200,000. In comparison the winners of the League of Ireland earn €110,000 after an eight-month season.
finishing second last season Cork won €55,000.
both leagues receive insufficient investment.
The FAs of both will have earned a minimum €10m from their national sides' performances in France and when, in the Republic's case at least, almost a third of the squad are products of domestic clubs the sums involved appears dramatically unbalanced. Not least with the association's chief executive, John Delaney, earning €360,000 per annum.
This is the same man who once labelled the league of ireland a "problem child"" Excellent post hill16no1man.
Only thing I'd add is regarding John Delaney's salary is it's a bit of a case of "you reap what you sow". The Irish soccer public have taken their eye off the ball. They fawn over the English premier league, spending an estimated 200,000,000 EUR supporting it per annum (RTE Prime time figures). They reckon you couldn't watch the LOI because the standard is awful. Do they ever thing that they might be the very people keeping the standard down . Even 10% of that huge figure that they contribute to funding Wayne Rooney and co would go a long way towards changing that. Maybe even get a team in to the CL or Europa league group stages. These guys deserve an over paid CEO and have little right to whinge.
On the other hand I have great admiration for the LOI diehards, I'll be in turners Cross for the Linfield game tonight. This is an actual story, there would be no problem knocking a few interesting articles. It's mad that this game barely gets a mention in the media. Looking at the 42.ie the top soccer articles are about the English League which doesn't start for another 6 weeks or so.. madness
dahayeser (Cork) - Posts: 337 - 07/07/2016 11:45:08
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