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Has the Press gone all Anti Gaa

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It's amazing how many so-called GAA people are always looking for the negative with regards to our games & association.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 29/06/2016 18:29:18    1873959

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Replying To keeper7:  "It's amazing how many so-called GAA people are always looking for the negative with regards to our games & association."
I think there's nothing wrong with looking for our faults and trying to correct them as long as it's constructive.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 29/06/2016 19:03:11    1873977

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Replying To s goldrick:  "or you could look at it this way. The euros are an international event whereas GAA is a local thing. local soccer does not get as much attention as GAA."
What has an international event got to do with being more important than the national sport seen as rte are many to be the national brodcaster of Ireland not an international station?
We are far more successful at horse racing in this country than any other international sport yet the only horse racing the six one news will show is the big race of the day from England every Saturday and don't even mention the results from the meetings taking place in Ireland that day. Sure they barely even mention the Irish grand national in the run to the race each Easter and they have it on live yet they hype up the English one like no tomorrow. I hope it helps to sink in that we don't have a national media as I keep telling people there's four companies own the world's media and they are American and English so they dictate.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/06/2016 19:29:48    1873987

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Replying To keeper7:  "It's amazing how many so-called GAA people are always looking for the negative with regards to our games & association."
Like Mediaman you mean?

jimski (Kildare) - Posts: 381 - 29/06/2016 20:00:34    1873994

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Replying To s goldrick:  "or you could look at it this way. The euros are an international event whereas GAA is a local thing. local soccer does not get as much attention as GAA."
Rte show more domestic soccer games then either football or hurling games every year. In the Irish media the are over negative about football and soccer, over postive about hurling and rugby. Most other sports get little attention at all.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 29/06/2016 21:21:37    1874027

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Replying To ROS1:  "Rte show more domestic soccer games then either football or hurling games every year. In the Irish media the are over negative about football and soccer, over postive about hurling and rugby. Most other sports get little attention at all."
RTÉ show 17 Irish club soccer games a year out of over 320 games played between the league and cup and occasionally champions league.

Last year RTÉ broadcast 16 out of the 27 championship hurling games played, and 19 out of 62 championship football games. I've no idea where you got the notion that RTÉ show more soccer than Gaelic games.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1646 - 29/06/2016 21:43:51    1874037

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why should they give the GAA attention when the Leinster championship is a joke and a farce with Dublin playing against teams clearly not capable. I'm glad they're ignoring it along with most GAA people in Leinster.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 29/06/2016 22:08:29    1874052

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Replying To CastleBravo:  "RTÉ show 17 Irish club soccer games a year out of over 320 games played between the league and cup and occasionally champions league.

Last year RTÉ broadcast 16 out of the 27 championship hurling games played, and 19 out of 62 championship football games. I've no idea where you got the notion that RTÉ show more soccer than Gaelic games."
It's just too easy to blame RTE for all the games ills

jimski (Kildare) - Posts: 381 - 29/06/2016 23:05:12    1874069

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "What has an international event got to do with being more important than the national sport seen as rte are many to be the national brodcaster of Ireland not an international station?
We are far more successful at horse racing in this country than any other international sport yet the only horse racing the six one news will show is the big race of the day from England every Saturday and don't even mention the results from the meetings taking place in Ireland that day. Sure they barely even mention the Irish grand national in the run to the race each Easter and they have it on live yet they hype up the English one like no tomorrow. I hope it helps to sink in that we don't have a national media as I keep telling people there's four companies own the world's media and they are American and English so they dictate."
horse racing similar to rugby isnt all that international...look at the jumps racing and its mostly just irish and british with the odd french horse thrown in

in the flat its a good bit more international but the majority of the racing is the irish v the british v the french with the odd horse from elsewhere thrown in

The soccer is very international its the biggest sport in the world and look at the ratings it draws..it draws bigger ratings then the all ireland...everybody is well aware that gaa is top dog and is mistreated most of the time but when it comes to ireland in a major soccer tournament there is nothing quite like it and the level of interest supports that so the coverage it gets is warranted id have to say

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 30/06/2016 00:08:14    1874082

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "What has an international event got to do with being more important than the national sport seen as rte are many to be the national brodcaster of Ireland not an international station?
We are far more successful at horse racing in this country than any other international sport yet the only horse racing the six one news will show is the big race of the day from England every Saturday and don't even mention the results from the meetings taking place in Ireland that day. Sure they barely even mention the Irish grand national in the run to the race each Easter and they have it on live yet they hype up the English one like no tomorrow. I hope it helps to sink in that we don't have a national media as I keep telling people there's four companies own the world's media and they are American and English so they dictate."
name these 4 companies?

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 30/06/2016 00:08:52    1874083

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "why should they give the GAA attention when the Leinster championship is a joke and a farce with Dublin playing against teams clearly not capable. I'm glad they're ignoring it along with most GAA people in Leinster."
Is it the GAA's fault that Meath came out on sunday particularly in the second half with no ambition to play football and try make the game competitive ?

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 30/06/2016 07:51:05    1874092

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "What has an international event got to do with being more important than the national sport seen as rte are many to be the national brodcaster of Ireland not an international station?
We are far more successful at horse racing in this country than any other international sport yet the only horse racing the six one news will show is the big race of the day from England every Saturday and don't even mention the results from the meetings taking place in Ireland that day. Sure they barely even mention the Irish grand national in the run to the race each Easter and they have it on live yet they hype up the English one like no tomorrow. I hope it helps to sink in that we don't have a national media as I keep telling people there's four companies own the world's media and they are American and English so they dictate."
so you think it's more important and newsworthy that dublin are playing meath than ireland playing France in the Euros (a tournament that only happens every 4 years and takes 2 years to qualify for and that the whole of the country is interested in). don't cod yourself.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 30/06/2016 09:02:56    1874108

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Replying To CastleBravo:  "RTÉ show 17 Irish club soccer games a year out of over 320 games played between the league and cup and occasionally champions league.

Last year RTÉ broadcast 16 out of the 27 championship hurling games played, and 19 out of 62 championship football games. I've no idea where you got the notion that RTÉ show more soccer than Gaelic games."
Your figures are wrong the show 24 domestic soccer games and 32 football/ hurling games. if you had read my you would have seen i said the showed more domestic soccer games then either football or hurling 2 separate sports.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 30/06/2016 09:12:01    1874109

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Replying To jimski:  "It's just too easy to blame RTE for all the games ills"
Pointing out a few facts is not blaming rte for anything

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 30/06/2016 09:13:32    1874110

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Replying To ROS1:  "Your figures are wrong the show 24 domestic soccer games and 32 football/ hurling games. if you had read my you would have seen i said the showed more domestic soccer games then either football or hurling 2 separate sports."
is it not the gaa that limit the amount of games shown on tv. from memory a few years ago they televised huge numbers of games but they pulled back from that as it was affecting gates. also the gaa charge for their tv rights (rightly so). and just to annoy the anti sky brigade, when sky got involved they got extra games i.e. the same amount of games are shown on free to air.......so the result of the sky deal was more games televised.

the difference with domestic soccer is that as part of the international tv package rte are obliged to cover a certain amount of games. in other words they get the games for free, and even then the only reason they cover the games is because they would lose the internationals if they don't.

i do think the coverage of the league is crap. the main games are fine but the highlights program is woeful. maybe the gaa should link access to championship matches to better league coverage (probably not too easy logistically but they could probably work something out).

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1829 - 30/06/2016 10:10:12    1874132

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What has an international event got to do with being more important than the national sport seen as rte are many to be the national brodcaster of Ireland not an international station?
We are far more successful at horse racing in this country than any other international sport yet the only horse racing the six one news will show is the big race of the day from England every Saturday and don't even mention the results from the meetings taking place in Ireland that day. Sure they barely even mention the Irish grand national in the run to the race each Easter and they have it on live yet they hype up the English one like no tomorrow. I hope it helps to sink in that we don't have a national media as I keep telling people there's four companies own the world's media and they are American and English so they dictate.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:10753 - 29/06/2016 19:29:48 An event being international has everything to do with it. RTE is the national broadcaster and an event showing the national team will always or virtually always get more viewers/ad revenue than inter county gaa games.
The reason RTE shows so little racing is costs and there isn't cameras at all race meets.
The English Grand National gets so much attention considering its place in world racing.
This idea that we don't have a national media is nonsense. Look at the main newspapers and tv stations in the country. All irish.
What 4 companies run the worlds media that dominate sales and media coverage within Ireland?
What are the biggest news stations and newspapers etc in Ireland?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 30/06/2016 11:04:38    1874157

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Replying To Mayonman:  "is it not the gaa that limit the amount of games shown on tv. from memory a few years ago they televised huge numbers of games but they pulled back from that as it was affecting gates. also the gaa charge for their tv rights (rightly so). and just to annoy the anti sky brigade, when sky got involved they got extra games i.e. the same amount of games are shown on free to air.......so the result of the sky deal was more games televised.

the difference with domestic soccer is that as part of the international tv package rte are obliged to cover a certain amount of games. in other words they get the games for free, and even then the only reason they cover the games is because they would lose the internationals if they don't.

i do think the coverage of the league is crap. the main games are fine but the highlights program is woeful. maybe the gaa should link access to championship matches to better league coverage (probably not too easy logistically but they could probably work something out)."
My original resonse was to someone who was saying that the league of ireland gets no coverage which is untrue. There may be poor but at least the seem to have cameras at all the league games something which the lack in there coverage of gaa league games.
I don't think you can say there is the same amount of free games been shown now as there was before the sky deal, I think you are forgetting the games that use to be on tv3. Plus if rte wanted the could have bid to show some league games or other gaa competitions the have completely pulled out of the minor championship for example

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 30/06/2016 11:29:24    1874170

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horse racing similiar to rugby and look at the difference rugby gets the most attention from rte
yet horse racing in ireland is ignored. just another example of the fact rugby pays for the main slots on the news.
its not the biggest sport in ireland though soccer. the gaa is. you wouldnt see soccer dominate the main evening bulletins in new zealand
just because its the biggest sport in the world, rugby is their biggest sport and is placed accordingly. or in the usa its not the main news each night what happened in cardiff v southampton ahead of an american football game would you?
when it comes to ireland in a tournament its such a rarety they blow it out of proportion and salvate at everything from fans opening a wine bottle without a corkscrew with the headline its glorious to watch. like it lasts for a month and goes again for another 4 years
just like the so called rep of ireland supporters, they are like bees come out for a while and once the premier league returns the ireland jersey vanishes until they qualify for a tournament again and their numero uno teams man utd and liverpool are to the fore.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 30/06/2016 11:53:25    1874183

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Replying To alano12:  "name these 4 companies?"
top 6
1 Comcast (usa)
2 direct tv (usa)
3 wpp (uk)
4 CBS (usa)
5 viacom (usa)
6 british sky brodacsting (uk)

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 30/06/2016 12:05:42    1874189

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Replying To s goldrick:  "so you think it's more important and newsworthy that dublin are playing meath than ireland playing France in the Euros (a tournament that only happens every 4 years and takes 2 years to qualify for and that the whole of the country is interested in). don't cod yourself."
no I dont I agree that on that specific day that was the main sports headline.
But the overboard coverage and difference in analysis of that game and lack of honest criticism or perspective is the problem.
rep of ireland only qualified because they extended the number of teams from 16 to 24 to begin with.
then they finished 3rd of 4 teams in their group, in doing so managed to beat a second string italian team with nothing to play for.
if the uefa didnt want to drag the tournament out and played it like every other
the efforts of the rep of ireland team would have been the same as every other year.
first off they wouldnt have qualified as thrid would not have been good enough.
secondly they would not have got out of the group as third of four teams wouldnt have got you a place in the knockout stages.
yet this kind of perspective is lost and we get wall to wall praise. we constantly here the same media tv and print outlets
whinge about defensive tactics in gaelic football.
ironicaly them same tactics were the actual reason ireland lost against france, for the first half they played an ortodox style,
rejigged at half time and played an 11 men behind the ball blanket defense, which inevitably invited the french onto them which they duly
destroyed ireland for that half. But theres no condeming them tactics in print or tv media after the game is there?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 30/06/2016 12:17:34    1874197

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