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What's the difference in what McElhinney did and what McManus did to McGlynn in terms of black v yellow card? Both took a man out off the ball.

Here is the rule for reference:
Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play.

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 26/06/2016 12:20:31    1872209

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Replying To HandballRef:  "Replay is on Saturday. Time and venue to be confirmed but probably Breffni again at the same time as yesterday I imagine.

Does anyone know if this game will be televised?? I'm away next weekend and can't make it. But at the moment RTE are due to show a qualifier game, as are sky sports."
I would be certain game televised...with the Laois/Armagh replay,only 1 Round 2A fixture now taking place next weekend with Sligo hosting Leitrim,so would be certain that replay will be televised on RTE.
Sky are showing the Cork Dublin hurling fixture

macca999 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1098 - 26/06/2016 12:22:50    1872211

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "Why can we not have a double header next Sunday in clones????"
Because Clones would be a home venue for Monaghan.

Not going to happen.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 26/06/2016 12:28:07    1872216

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Replying To benjyyy:  "What's the difference in what McElhinney did and what McManus did to McGlynn in terms of black v yellow card? Both took a man out off the ball.

Here is the rule for reference:
Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play."
McManus's challenge was a late tackle, yellow card, same as Thompson's tackle late on.

McElhinney took out an opponent who was not in possession of the ball, black card

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 26/06/2016 12:31:29    1872219

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Replying To rcarragh:  "Either of them would beat Cavan and Tyrone haven't won any championship silverware at senior level for 6 years and counting so who knows how good they are. First serious challenge Tyrone had this year they didn't exactly convince."
Great game tonight and Ulster back on map - no other province has two semis like this - and the final will be probably just as good. Fair play Ulster, instead of ridiculing this province let's learn from them - hats off to you all. The other stuff tomorrow will be boring guaranteed.

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 26/06/2016 12:33:22    1872222

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I agree about the black card interpenetration. Sometimes a team will pick one up while the opposition will get away with a similar or almost identical offence. It is a joke of a rule and the enforcement of it is even more disagreeable.

A good ref will be required for the next day.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 26/06/2016 12:36:57    1872225

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Replying To macca999:  "I would be certain game televised...with the Laois/Armagh replay,only 1 Round 2A fixture now taking place next weekend with Sligo hosting Leitrim,so would be certain that replay will be televised on RTE.
Sky are showing the Cork Dublin hurling fixture"
All depends on the times you. If it's on at the same time as the sky fixture it can't be shown on tv.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 26/06/2016 12:50:56    1872237

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Replying To benjyyy: "What's the difference in what McElhinney did and what McManus did to McGlynn in terms of black v yellow card? Both took a man out off the ball.

Here is the rule for reference:
Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play."
McManus's challenge was a late tackle, yellow card, same as Thompson's tackle late on.

McElhinney took out an opponent who was not in possession of the ball, black card
MuckrossHead (Donegal)

Agree with Muckross the rule stated above was to prevent the "body check" which was creeping into the game. Mc Manus was late tackle and was yellow, would have been a harsh red, but seen them given

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 26/06/2016 12:54:04    1872241

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A good ref and linesmen, as deegan was weak last night

binman53 (Monaghan) - Posts: 104 - 26/06/2016 12:58:45    1872249

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Nerve wrecking, draw fair in end.

If Croke Pk was available Sat evening, an Ulster double-header would go a long way towards filling it !... Clones would not cope with the demands for a double header!

Monaghan Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 442 - 26/06/2016 12:59:33    1872251

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "Replying To benjyyy: "What's the difference in what McElhinney did and what McManus did to McGlynn in terms of black v yellow card? Both took a man out off the ball.

Here is the rule for reference:
Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play."
McManus's challenge was a late tackle, yellow card, same as Thompson's tackle late on.

McElhinney took out an opponent who was not in possession of the ball, black card
MuckrossHead (Donegal)

Agree with Muckross the rule stated above was to prevent the "body check" which was creeping into the game. Mc Manus was late tackle and was yellow, would have been a harsh red, but seen them given"
Should have been black.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 26/06/2016 13:00:40    1872253

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y

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 26/06/2016 13:05:50    1872255

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Was 2014 replay between Armagh and Monaghan on TV? I think not, doubt it will be live

222 (UK) - Posts: 694 - 26/06/2016 13:12:45    1872258

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Replying To HandballRef:  "Replay is on Saturday. Time and venue to be confirmed but probably Breffni again at the same time as yesterday I imagine.

Does anyone know if this game will be televised?? I'm away next weekend and can't make it. But at the moment RTE are due to show a qualifier game, as are sky sports."
Thanks Handball

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 26/06/2016 13:58:13    1872272

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Replying To rorysboys:  "what about the abuse murphy got from drew wylie and corey when he moved to full forward early in game. and the umpire standing looking at it. complete joke if it was mc manus i guarantee you it wudnt be long to see there hands going up. hopefully the replay will not be in cavan , too hard to get out and fair being fair its hardly a neutral venue. you cud see that by the support last night for monaghan. what bout omagh or enniskillen"
I'm sure the McGee's have throw a few bit of abuse about to McManus and co over the years and in yesterday's game. It happens....I'm sure Murphy used to it by now and let me tell you Murphy can deal it out as well. I've seen it first hand.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 26/06/2016 14:40:05    1872274

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I didn't mention age profile of the team at all actually They are young enough overall however a lot of them have been playing since the mcguinness era and you can see Imo a weariness setting it n . So when a donegal player has an off day dip in form etc he continues to hold his place compare this to Dublin MDMA drop in form management trust Fenton a rookie to come n and replace him ... Your mgt don't seem to have the same trust in the young fellas u mention and for they type of game donegal play they need a bigger pick and if the lads r there they need to be transitioned in over the next 1-2 years that's my point . Would also wonder if there are replacements for lacey he surely doesn't have the legs for it . Gallagher is a big miss in midfield the replacement there appears to be kavsmagh @ 33 years of age so that needs looking at too .
I like donegal appreciate exactly what they have done since 2011 the in laws r from donegal so go to alot of the gsmes as a supporter too. But i do think they are starting to look a bit weary the donegal team of 11 .... 12... 13..... proba ly wouldnt have coughed up 2 late injury tine points either i have a feeling the replay might just come a bit quick but we will see ..
rossy15 (Roscommon) - Posts:191 - 26/06/2016 07:42:22 1872104


A lot of the current Dublin players have been in the Dublin panel since the Pat Gilroy era, and I don't think they trained less than Donegal. I think it comes down to perception, we've been hearing repeatedly on tv about "A lot of miles on the Donegal legs", which in part was down to the static line-up in many position between 2011 and 2014/5, where older players of the likes of Colm McFadden, Neil Gallagher, Rory Kavanagh, Eamon McGee, Christy Toye have featured prominently.

However since 2013/2014, they have Consistently Introduced the likes of Ryan McHugh, Odhran MacNiallais, Marty O'Reilly, Hugh McFadden, Darrach O'Connor (Out with cruciate last year), and 2015/2016 Eoghain Ban Gallagher, Eoin McHugh, Ciaran Thompson, Stephen McBrearty, Ciaran Gillespie, Michael Carroll, Stephen McMenamen and MA McGinley. All of these players along with Paddy McBrearty, are aged 23 or under.

I have watched all Donegal Championship games since 2011, and I think this current Donegal side has more pace than the 2011-2013 side. They also create more shooting chances per game, but badly need to work on the shooting accuracy. Had this current Donegal side the shooting accuracy of 2012, I think they would be coasting through games at present.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 26/06/2016 14:47:21    1872276

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Enjoyable game to watch as it was intense but wasn't a great game. Thought it was Donegal to lose as the amount of frees they missed where crucial. If Donegal can control their discipline they will take it next week. Antics of Rory and the goalkeeper were a disgrace though. Seem to recall a nation wide witch hunt against Tyrone for diving but doesn't seem to be the case here.

kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 26/06/2016 15:04:36    1872279

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Replying To kevin03:  "Enjoyable game to watch as it was intense but wasn't a great game. Thought it was Donegal to lose as the amount of frees they missed where crucial. If Donegal can control their discipline they will take it next week. Antics of Rory and the goalkeeper were a disgrace though. Seem to recall a nation wide witch hunt against Tyrone for diving but doesn't seem to be the case here."
I was saying last night that I wasn't sure about the Goalkeeper diving, as one of the camera angles on Sky seemed to show contact with his face.

The first couple of angles didn't show it, but one angle did show a player making contact with his face. Whether or not that contact is sufficient to cause him to go down can be debated, but I thought Sky didn't review it closely enough and the pundits jumped on the bandwagon.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 26/06/2016 15:24:04    1872283

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Replay is in Breffni saturday at 7

marita (None) - Posts: 467 - 26/06/2016 16:34:25    1872296

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Replying To s goldrick:  "i thought he did receive a yellow. but ref never showed him the red after the black. there was a bit of confusion all round there. lucky the game ended in a draw or we could have another armagh v laois scenario."
Surely this has to be addressed? Monaghan played 10 minutes with an extra man?

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 427 - 26/06/2016 16:47:42    1872301

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