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Replying To royaldunne: "Ziggy ru a closet Donegal man? , :)
We play 15 behind the ball and we are screwed, scoreline may be less but all that is trying to di damage limitations, go out and hit them man for man, mayo did it Las year and showed only chink in dubs armour, they blew t it by falling back, man for man, each player have faith in themselves, manager plays positive, trust me half backs wont run too far outfield if opposite number number is getting scores. Play it old style and lets see how they cope with us instead of us worrying about coping with them." I'm not convinced man to man is the way to go royaldunne, we tried it with a bit of balance in 2013 and led by 2 at HT but ultimately tired and lost by 7 in the end. Then 2014 MOD went with an even more attacking mentality and once again lined up man to man against Dublin, we trailed 1-12 to 0-6 at HT and surrendered to a 16 point hammering. I feel if we try man for man again the game could well be over early on Sunday.
But I do take your point on board, I want to see Meath having a go and I suppose if we play too defensively and still lose by a big margin then inevitably there will be a feeling that we didn't give it a proper go, which is very disappointing.
I think when we lose the ball though that we have to retreat and support the defense, leaving maybe 2 or 3 lads at most up field. If we let Dublin run at us without getting lads back to support the defense they'll kick scores for sport.
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 22/06/2016 09:56:45
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I love the way posters use the Dublin league games to suit there own posts. Donegal don't care about the league so them games against Dublin don't count. Monaghan weren't bothered when Dublin hammered them in clones but look what we did the following week only lost by 1. Look what Cork did to Dublin in the league. Dublin hammered Kerry ah but Kerry don't care about the league. Dublin only bet Roscommon's by a point and were better than Roscommon in Connaught.
Always suits the posters argument but can Dublin who have won the league 4 years in a row never show up not bothered? We're judged on every game yet every other team has an excuse for there loss. But when we lose or nearly lose that team or game is the guide to how to beat the Dubs ha.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 22/06/2016 10:05:07
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Replying To clondalkindub: "I love the way posters use the Dublin league games to suit there own posts. Donegal don't care about the league so them games against Dublin don't count. Monaghan weren't bothered when Dublin hammered them in clones but look what we did the following week only lost by 1. Look what Cork did to Dublin in the league. Dublin hammered Kerry ah but Kerry don't care about the league. Dublin only bet Roscommon's by a point and were better than Roscommon in Connaught.
Always suits the posters argument but can Dublin who have won the league 4 years in a row never show up not bothered? We're judged on every game yet every other team has an excuse for there loss. But when we lose or nearly lose that team or game is the guide to how to beat the Dubs ha." I was actually at the Dublin/Cork game,I gave Mick O'Dowd the dvd,hopefully he has learnt a thing or two.:P
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 22/06/2016 10:44:55
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This will be more or less the Dublin team;
1. Cluxton
2.Mcmahon
3. Cooper
4. Byrne
5. McCarthy
6. O Sullivan
7. Small
8. McCauley
9. Fenton
10. Flynn
11. Connolly
12. Kilkenny
13. Kev Mac
14. Rock
15. Brogan
What's Meath's likely 15? I'm not as well up on this Meath team as pasts teams.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 22/06/2016 12:05:57
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Replying To clondalkindub: "This will be more or less the Dublin team;
1. Cluxton
2.Mcmahon
3. Cooper
4. Byrne
5. McCarthy
6. O Sullivan
7. Small
8. McCauley
9. Fenton
10. Flynn
11. Connolly
12. Kilkenny
13. Kev Mac
14. Rock
15. Brogan
What's Meath's likely 15? I'm not as well up on this Meath team as pasts teams." 1.O'Rourke
2.Donal Keoghan
3.Mickey Burke
4.Darragh Smyth
5.Donncha Tobin
6.Padriag Harnan
7.Alan Douglas
8.Harry Rooney
9.Cian O'Brien
10.Eamonn Wallace
11.Cillian O'Sullivan
12.Graham Reilly
13.Andy Tormey
14.Michael Newman
15.Bryan McMahon
That should be pretty close.We are missing a few defenders,our full back Conor McGill and Brian Power who would have likely started.
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 22/06/2016 13:02:57
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Forget what I posted yesterday will win by 20 points that Meath back line will be destroyed, mickey Burke full back ahhhh here lever outttt Mannion destroyed him 3 years ago I'm sorry but he's not good enough. That Meath back six is nowhere near the standard require to hold our forwards and our forwards that come on , no chance.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 22/06/2016 13:29:48
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Replying To clondalkindub: "Forget what I posted yesterday will win by 20 points that Meath back line will be destroyed, mickey Burke full back ahhhh here lever outttt Mannion destroyed him 3 years ago I'm sorry but he's not good enough. That Meath back six is nowhere near the standard require to hold our forwards and our forwards that come on , no chance." Burke has been better this year,but losing Reilly and then McGill is a big loss for sure..
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 22/06/2016 14:13:10
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Replying To Htaem: "I'm not convinced man to man is the way to go royaldunne, we tried it with a bit of balance in 2013 and led by 2 at HT but ultimately tired and lost by 7 in the end. Then 2014 MOD went with an even more attacking mentality and once again lined up man to man against Dublin, we trailed 1-12 to 0-6 at HT and surrendered to a 16 point hammering. I feel if we try man for man again the game could well be over early on Sunday.
But I do take your point on board, I want to see Meath having a go and I suppose if we play too defensively and still lose by a big margin then inevitably there will be a feeling that we didn't give it a proper go, which is very disappointing.
I think when we lose the ball though that we have to retreat and support the defense, leaving maybe 2 or 3 lads at most up field. If we let Dublin run at us without getting lads back to support the defense they'll kick scores for sport." True, I just dont want to see a camp out for 70 mins, just to keep score respectable, I want to see the lads having a cut, O'Sullivan, Reilly Wallace, Newman, tormey, Rooney McMahon are all capable of getting scores, defend when needed but don't invite them on constantly, sometimes you just have to go for it
we all know cluxton is dodgey at times, I actually think the forwards we have now are better than they were in 10, particularly for goal threats
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 22/06/2016 14:15:50
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Dublin to pull away and win by 9 or 10 in 3rd gear in my opinion.
Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 22/06/2016 14:23:04
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Replying To royaldunne: "True, I just dont want to see a camp out for 70 mins, just to keep score respectable, I want to see the lads having a cut, O'Sullivan, Reilly Wallace, Newman, tormey, Rooney McMahon are all capable of getting scores, defend when needed but don't invite them on constantly, sometimes you just have to go for it
we all know cluxton is dodgey at times, I actually think the forwards we have now are better than they were in 10, particularly for goal threats" Simply track the runners RD when we need too.You cannot have a forward line with hands on hips if Dublin are piling defenders forward.Reading the chronicle today and as they said,we let Louth defenders come forward late on and did not track them.Thats not acceptable especially against a team like Dublin.It is also the biggest flaw in a MOD team..
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 22/06/2016 14:31:14
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Cluxton dodgey haha the best there's every been, there all trying to copy him but every week I see goalies killing there team with short kicks while Cluxton makes it look easy. Royaldunne its getting near the time when you change your mind and predict a Meath win, is it that time yet???
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 22/06/2016 14:41:25
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Dublin 3-19 v Meath 1-14.
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 22/06/2016 14:54:09
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Replying To clondalkindub: "I love the way posters use the Dublin league games to suit there own posts. Donegal don't care about the league so them games against Dublin don't count. Monaghan weren't bothered when Dublin hammered them in clones but look what we did the following week only lost by 1. Look what Cork did to Dublin in the league. Dublin hammered Kerry ah but Kerry don't care about the league. Dublin only bet Roscommon's by a point and were better than Roscommon in Connaught.
Always suits the posters argument but can Dublin who have won the league 4 years in a row never show up not bothered? We're judged on every game yet every other team has an excuse for there loss. But when we lose or nearly lose that team or game is the guide to how to beat the Dubs ha." I agree totally. Some people on here have their heads in the sand and just don't realise or accept that Dublin are an absolute Juggernaut and are a good 10 points ahead of the rest.
It will dawn eventually on them......
KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 22/06/2016 15:07:22
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Replying To clondalkindub: "This will be more or less the Dublin team;
1. Cluxton
2.Mcmahon
3. Cooper
4. Byrne
5. McCarthy
6. O Sullivan
7. Small
8. McCauley
9. Fenton
10. Flynn
11. Connolly
12. Kilkenny
13. Kev Mac
14. Rock
15. Brogan
What's Meath's likely 15? I'm not as well up on this Meath team as pasts teams." Paddy Andrews comes back in.
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 22/06/2016 15:13:54
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KY not my point at all but twist it any way you like.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 22/06/2016 15:24:48
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sad to say it, but for a game that used to whet my appetite more than any other as a Dubs fan
this year, Dubs Meath
I am barely noticing its on
not even going to it. Will be in Kerry with the family
the game isnt even crossing my mind any more than a game V Laois, Louth or Wicklow would
tis kinda sad :(
Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 22/06/2016 16:19:09
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I'm assuming or rather hoping that whatever gameplan O'Dowd has in store for Dublin is a lot more complex than what's being suggested on here.
He'll have been looking at Dublin for a long time so he knows how efficient, intense and complex their system is.
First of all he's got to deal with Cluxtons kick outs which are very difficult to defend against. If you don't push up on his kick outs he goes short and If you do he'll hit one of his half backs dropping back for the ball. If you succeed in negating that then he's got Paul Flynn and Diarmuid Connolly to aim for. If you ever watch Dublin's half forwards you'll see how they come at the kick out with a lot of pace and without breaking stride such is the precision and timing of the pass. Straight away you've got a half back coming on the inside receiving the reverse pass and then all of a sudden the oppositions defence is stretched and Dublin players are running at angles everywhere. And that's just one facet of their system you have to think about.
They can play a kicking game and they can play a running game such is the quality of their attack. The thing is when they attack it's not the kicker you need to focus on or the receiver. It's the 3rd man coming through at pace who's the real danger because once he's got the ball it's usually too late. The overlap is there and the defense has been breached. This is very hard to stop because everyone is watching where the ball is so they're drawn to it while the 3rd man is timing his run and knows exactly where to be for the pass.
Another issue for Meath will be getting around Cian O'Sullivan. He plays the sweeper role very effectively and sits right on the edge of the D to give maximum cover to his full back line. For Meath to be able to expose Dublin's full back line will require our number 11 whoever it may be to keep O'Sullivan pre-occupied. A player who has the ability to get on the ball and attack his player directly and kick a point. This way O'Sullivan has to try and do 2 jobs and pulling him out of position gives the opportunity to our attackers to find the men inside. Easier said than done of course.
Making turnovers is going to be very important as well because I believe that if you bring an aggressive collective running game with players running at angles and at pace you can trouble Dublin. You need to play two big men inside with another 3rd pacey attacker coming in on the loop. The ideal ball inside shouldn't be a regular pass inside though. To beat the sweeper and test the smaller full back line you'd really need a deep-lying ball coming in on the diagonal that's going to suit the bigger man.
That's all very specific but Dublin's potential flaws are going to be very specific because they're a very good team. I genuinely believe even if Meath come out with a game plan of any substance that they'll ultimately fall short. You'd need the right kind of players to beat Dublin and Meath I believe don't have the capacity. I hope I'm wrong though.
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Replying To RoyalClass: "I'm assuming or rather hoping that whatever gameplan O'Dowd has in store for Dublin is a lot more complex than what's being suggested on here.
He'll have been looking at Dublin for a long time so he knows how efficient, intense and complex their system is.
First of all he's got to deal with Cluxtons kick outs which are very difficult to defend against. If you don't push up on his kick outs he goes short and If you do he'll hit one of his half backs dropping back for the ball. If you succeed in negating that then he's got Paul Flynn and Diarmuid Connolly to aim for. If you ever watch Dublin's half forwards you'll see how they come at the kick out with a lot of pace and without breaking stride such is the precision and timing of the pass. Straight away you've got a half back coming on the inside receiving the reverse pass and then all of a sudden the oppositions defence is stretched and Dublin players are running at angles everywhere. And that's just one facet of their system you have to think about.
They can play a kicking game and they can play a running game such is the quality of their attack. The thing is when they attack it's not the kicker you need to focus on or the receiver. It's the 3rd man coming through at pace who's the real danger because once he's got the ball it's usually too late. The overlap is there and the defense has been breached. This is very hard to stop because everyone is watching where the ball is so they're drawn to it while the 3rd man is timing his run and knows exactly where to be for the pass.
Another issue for Meath will be getting around Cian O'Sullivan. He plays the sweeper role very effectively and sits right on the edge of the D to give maximum cover to his full back line. For Meath to be able to expose Dublin's full back line will require our number 11 whoever it may be to keep O'Sullivan pre-occupied. A player who has the ability to get on the ball and attack his player directly and kick a point. This way O'Sullivan has to try and do 2 jobs and pulling him out of position gives the opportunity to our attackers to find the men inside. Easier said than done of course.
Making turnovers is going to be very important as well because I believe that if you bring an aggressive collective running game with players running at angles and at pace you can trouble Dublin. You need to play two big men inside with another 3rd pacey attacker coming in on the loop. The ideal ball inside shouldn't be a regular pass inside though. To beat the sweeper and test the smaller full back line you'd really need a deep-lying ball coming in on the diagonal that's going to suit the bigger man.
That's all very specific but Dublin's potential flaws are going to be very specific because they're a very good team. I genuinely believe even if Meath come out with a game plan of any substance that they'll ultimately fall short. You'd need the right kind of players to beat Dublin and Meath I believe don't have the capacity. I hope I'm wrong though." Dublin are a brilliant team but any team can have an 'off' day. It makes sense to push a player up on O'Sullivan but that may leave you short handed elsewhere.
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Replying To RoyalClass: "I'm assuming or rather hoping that whatever gameplan O'Dowd has in store for Dublin is a lot more complex than what's being suggested on here.
He'll have been looking at Dublin for a long time so he knows how efficient, intense and complex their system is.
First of all he's got to deal with Cluxtons kick outs which are very difficult to defend against. If you don't push up on his kick outs he goes short and If you do he'll hit one of his half backs dropping back for the ball. If you succeed in negating that then he's got Paul Flynn and Diarmuid Connolly to aim for. If you ever watch Dublin's half forwards you'll see how they come at the kick out with a lot of pace and without breaking stride such is the precision and timing of the pass. Straight away you've got a half back coming on the inside receiving the reverse pass and then all of a sudden the oppositions defence is stretched and Dublin players are running at angles everywhere. And that's just one facet of their system you have to think about.
They can play a kicking game and they can play a running game such is the quality of their attack. The thing is when they attack it's not the kicker you need to focus on or the receiver. It's the 3rd man coming through at pace who's the real danger because once he's got the ball it's usually too late. The overlap is there and the defense has been breached. This is very hard to stop because everyone is watching where the ball is so they're drawn to it while the 3rd man is timing his run and knows exactly where to be for the pass.
Another issue for Meath will be getting around Cian O'Sullivan. He plays the sweeper role very effectively and sits right on the edge of the D to give maximum cover to his full back line. For Meath to be able to expose Dublin's full back line will require our number 11 whoever it may be to keep O'Sullivan pre-occupied. A player who has the ability to get on the ball and attack his player directly and kick a point. This way O'Sullivan has to try and do 2 jobs and pulling him out of position gives the opportunity to our attackers to find the men inside. Easier said than done of course.
Making turnovers is going to be very important as well because I believe that if you bring an aggressive collective running game with players running at angles and at pace you can trouble Dublin. You need to play two big men inside with another 3rd pacey attacker coming in on the loop. The ideal ball inside shouldn't be a regular pass inside though. To beat the sweeper and test the smaller full back line you'd really need a deep-lying ball coming in on the diagonal that's going to suit the bigger man.
That's all very specific but Dublin's potential flaws are going to be very specific because they're a very good team. I genuinely believe even if Meath come out with a game plan of any substance that they'll ultimately fall short. You'd need the right kind of players to beat Dublin and Meath I believe don't have the capacity. I hope I'm wrong though." Good post..
I think Cillian O'Sullivan is more than capable at keeping Cian O'Sullivan occupied.Newman and Tormey can play inside and Wallace should be used as the player coming in on the loop.
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 22/06/2016 16:45:25
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Also I think the point I was trying to make in previous posts,is the fact that Meath must get the very basics right.If we cannot do that then any tactically ploys won't matter,it is something we have struggled with under MOD.
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 22/06/2016 16:56:10
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