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Replying To bert09: "I see a trip up to Derry is on the cards for Dublin
How do the dubs feel about this?" cant wait love day trips
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 20/06/2016 13:53:21
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Replying To ziggy32001: "clondalkdub
I love the way some Dub folk live in Meath,say they love it out here would never go etc,but then have a serious attitude towards Meath.While all their kids are actually from Meath!" AHA
The shoe is on the other foot now
For generations us Dubs have been surrounded by Dublin living country folk bitching and moaning, having a chip on their shoulders about Dublin, despite being educated, buying a house and having a family all in Dublin...
Now you know how it feels!!
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 20/06/2016 13:54:31
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Replying To bert09: "So if Meath beat the greatest team in the history of the gaa on Sunday will it go down as the greatest win against all the odds in the history of the gaa?" Greatest Dublin team ever (possibly) greatest team in history? Grow up lad!
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 20/06/2016 13:58:23
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Replying To ziggy32001: "clondalkdub
I love the way some Dub folk live in Meath,say they love it out here would never go etc,but then have a serious attitude towards Meath.While all their kids are actually from Meath!" The majority of Dubs I know who go to games that live in Meath have no problem with the county and people of Meath. Its a football attitude that for all those fans stems back over many years of being brought up on the Dublin Meath rivalry. Myself included.
There is a difference.
You ask Dubs if they hate the county of Meath, We will all say no. Ask those same Dubs who they love to beat the most, And after Kerry the answer will be Meath. Don't mistake sporting rivalry for an attitude that Dublin fans based in Meath dislike the county, cause that statement that you used completely contradicts that. Why would Dubs wanna stay if they had an issue with Meath people or the county of Meath.
Its a sign of respect that even now, with Meath at such a low ebb and (hopefully from my POV) potential bigger tests down the line for Dublin, that this is still the one game that I get most excited about. The one that hurts the most when we lose.
And as a matter of fact, I'd go back to Dublin tomorrow if I had the money. Its where I spend most of my time when I'm not working with family and friends back home.
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 20/06/2016 14:04:39
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Replying To waynoI: "The majority of Dubs I know who go to games that live in Meath have no problem with the county and people of Meath. Its a football attitude that for all those fans stems back over many years of being brought up on the Dublin Meath rivalry. Myself included.
There is a difference.
You ask Dubs if they hate the county of Meath, We will all say no. Ask those same Dubs who they love to beat the most, And after Kerry the answer will be Meath. Don't mistake sporting rivalry for an attitude that Dublin fans based in Meath dislike the county, cause that statement that you used completely contradicts that. Why would Dubs wanna stay if they had an issue with Meath people or the county of Meath.
Its a sign of respect that even now, with Meath at such a low ebb and (hopefully from my POV) potential bigger tests down the line for Dublin, that this is still the one game that I get most excited about. The one that hurts the most when we lose.
And as a matter of fact, I'd go back to Dublin tomorrow if I had the money. Its where I spend most of my time when I'm not working with family and friends back home." I disagree with you here wayno.I happen to both like and respect Meath.I shouted forvthem in the finals of '87,'88 and '99.I loved that hard hitting team of the '80s.I like tough,hard footballers from any county.Not dirty,but fair.I have zero hatred for Meath.The only county i dont like to see winning is Cork.Always has been like that.And thats because of all the success they have had down the years ; in both codes and in all age groups.They have won enough to do me a lifetime and their recent demise is very satisfying.Sorry Cork posters (:
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 20/06/2016 14:16:36
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Replying To waynoI: "MOD's masterplan :D :D :D :D
Cant wait to see it tore asunder.
Masterplan me hole.
Losing by 16 points to us in 2014. Throwing away a ten point lead last year to WM
It was all just part of the plan to compete and beat with Dublin in 2016.
Ye....We will see." To be fair I did mock this idea of a 'masterplan' myself by reducing it to the level of one of Balderick's cunning plans (Blackadder character for anyone who doesn't know) because I don't believe for 1 second that a masterplan exists and even if it did, how likely would it be to work, given the gulf between the teams.
We're not going to reinvent the wheel and come up with something that Dublin has never seen before. However there has to be some plan and it's interesting as sports fans to talk about the match, but I think a lot of that interest would be drained if one team showed up without a plan, without hope or even interest in winning, regardless of the odds.
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 20/06/2016 14:17:53
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In fairness I was messing a bit at the start of the thread.
I'd give Meath about as much chance as Galway had last week.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13717 - 20/06/2016 14:44:50
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Replying To Htaem: "To be fair I did mock this idea of a 'masterplan' myself by reducing it to the level of one of Balderick's cunning plans (Blackadder character for anyone who doesn't know) because I don't believe for 1 second that a masterplan exists and even if it did, how likely would it be to work, given the gulf between the teams.
We're not going to reinvent the wheel and come up with something that Dublin has never seen before. However there has to be some plan and it's interesting as sports fans to talk about the match, but I think a lot of that interest would be drained if one team showed up without a plan, without hope or even interest in winning, regardless of the odds." I doubt it also, but sure we will have to wait and see. But lets put it like this I'm already planning a trip to Derry.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 20/06/2016 15:24:24
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Replying To royaldunne: "I doubt it also, but sure we will have to wait and see. But lets put it like this I'm already planning a trip to Derry." Good man royaldunne, off to watch Derry playing the Dubs, that's true support of the Gaa :-)
I've booked Monday the 18th of July off work myself, I never go in the day after Meath plays a Leinster final.
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 20/06/2016 16:53:24
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Replying To Htaem: "Good man royaldunne, off to watch Derry playing the Dubs, that's true support of the Gaa :-)
I've booked Monday the 18th of July off work myself, I never go in the day after Meath plays a Leinster final." Sure herself is from that place , so she will want to see them play again. :)
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 20/06/2016 17:34:36
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Go ultra defensive ? Well, Donegal have been doing that for years. And they've not beaten us since the 2014 semi final. We have playing v a well trained defensive blanket figured out, And Meath don't play it often enough to get near Donegal levels. So we will keep possession, have them chasing shadows. Wear them down and beat them that way
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts:11192 - 20/06/2016 01:05:09
You haven't played Donegal since 2014, unless you count National League which they don't give a rats arse about and have constantly treated with contempt since 2012. Championship matters, its all that matters in the GAA and it is what a team is judged on no matter what.
Donegal didn't beat Dublin just because they are a merely a Ultra-defensive side, they beat Dublin fairly comfortably because they were a defensive side who transition to attack in a well organised manner. And Dublin were the only team in the Country that left that kind of space for the Donegal players to run into. And Donegal had the mental belief in themselves, they unlike so many others entered that game believing they could beat Dublin.
The fact of the matter is this, Meath are not organised and drilled like a top side at present, and they haven't been for quite a few years. They have quality players, they are fit, but they simply not prepared to the same educated standard as those top 5 or 6 sides. If they were prepared in such a way and drilled for 2 years with serious resources supporting that, I think they would have a genuine chance of causing an upset. But at present they are outside this bubble along with a number of other top footballing counties, trying to re-group and re-organise.
GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 20/06/2016 18:08:23
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Replying To GaryMc82: "Go ultra defensive ? Well, Donegal have been doing that for years. And they've not beaten us since the 2014 semi final. We have playing v a well trained defensive blanket figured out, And Meath don't play it often enough to get near Donegal levels. So we will keep possession, have them chasing shadows. Wear them down and beat them that way
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts:11192 - 20/06/2016 01:05:09
You haven't played Donegal since 2014, unless you count National League which they don't give a rats arse about and have constantly treated with contempt since 2012. Championship matters, its all that matters in the GAA and it is what a team is judged on no matter what.
Donegal didn't beat Dublin just because they are a merely a Ultra-defensive side, they beat Dublin fairly comfortably because they were a defensive side who transition to attack in a well organised manner. And Dublin were the only team in the Country that left that kind of space for the Donegal players to run into. And Donegal had the mental belief in themselves, they unlike so many others entered that game believing they could beat Dublin.
The fact of the matter is this, Meath are not organised and drilled like a top side at present, and they haven't been for quite a few years. They have quality players, they are fit, but they simply not prepared to the same educated standard as those top 5 or 6 sides. If they were prepared in such a way and drilled for 2 years with serious resources supporting that, I think they would have a genuine chance of causing an upset. But at present they are outside this bubble along with a number of other top footballing counties, trying to re-group and re-organise." Do you think that is down to Senior management in Meath too?
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 20/06/2016 19:09:11
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Do you think that is down to Senior management in Meath too?
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts:5689 - 20/06/2016 19:09:11 1
No I don't think its fair to blame senior management, as I don't doubt for one second that they aren't giving it their all. I think the issue runs much deeper than senior management, all the way down to development squads. I actually think they don't realise the scale at which the top 5 or 6 counties are operating at, in terms of them having players training 7 days per week or taking considerable time to ensure every player knows the team plan as well as their own match specific plan. It's about giving each player the full range of scenario's he will likely face on the pitch, and which is the correct choice to make for each of those.
Taking more time to educate players about tactics, and taking time to carefully ensure they understand. Once they understand, take it to the training field and drill over and over again until the team starts to look slick.
GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 21/06/2016 09:29:31
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Replying To GaryMc82: "Do you think that is down to Senior management in Meath too?
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts:5689 - 20/06/2016 19:09:11 1
No I don't think its fair to blame senior management, as I don't doubt for one second that they aren't giving it their all. I think the issue runs much deeper than senior management, all the way down to development squads. I actually think they don't realise the scale at which the top 5 or 6 counties are operating at, in terms of them having players training 7 days per week or taking considerable time to ensure every player knows the team plan as well as their own match specific plan. It's about giving each player the full range of scenario's he will likely face on the pitch, and which is the correct choice to make for each of those.
Taking more time to educate players about tactics, and taking time to carefully ensure they understand. Once they understand, take it to the training field and drill over and over again until the team starts to look slick." You are right although there are signs its changing.The u14 up to minor are all fairly strong now.
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 21/06/2016 10:31:00
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What really annoys me is that people really believe the teams that are good now will be good forever and teams like Meath n Kildare will never be good again complete bs. It changes all the time Meath Galway Kildare etc will all come again with very good teams I promise you that.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 21/06/2016 10:58:01
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I suspect Meath are like a condemned man waiting for the gallows.
Currently the prospect of playing Dublin for them is tantamount to a death sentence.
There'll be no last minute reprieve for the Royals on Sunday. The Dubs should win by 10.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 21/06/2016 11:07:08
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Replying To clondalkindub: "What really annoys me is that people really believe the teams that are good now will be good forever and teams like Meath n Kildare will never be good again complete bs. It changes all the time Meath Galway Kildare etc will all come again with very good teams I promise you that." Meath are doing a lot of great work at underage and there still some potentially very good players on the Senior team,its a matter of time,but when? I am not sure..
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 21/06/2016 11:39:14
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Replying To catch22: "I suspect Meath are like a condemned man waiting for the gallows.
Currently the prospect of playing Dublin for them is tantamount to a death sentence.
There'll be no last minute reprieve for the Royals on Sunday. The Dubs should win by 10." Well that's the negative way of looking at it, now there certainly isn't the same level of hope or basically any expectation this time around but I'm still going to enjoy the build up and go along on the day.
As for the Meath team I certainly hope they're not sitting around like a prisoner on death row, they should be savouring the challenge and planning for the game. When you get a shot at the best (and Dublin are the best at present) you should always give it your best, even if it's a losing effort.
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 21/06/2016 11:39:17
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Meath by two.
bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1792 - 21/06/2016 12:14:44
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Replying To ziggy32001: "Meath are doing a lot of great work at underage and there still some potentially very good players on the Senior team,its a matter of time,but when? I am not sure.." Apparently there is better work going on at underage level now, but I think we were way behind in this regard for many years so it will take time to make up the lost ground.
But also I think our club championships badly need a shake up, there's a lack of urgency and intensity within the county and we're not likey to improve at intercounty level until this is addressed.
Just a quick example, one particular senior club (that I have nothing against personally) lost 4 championship games and only won 1 in both 2014 and 2015 and didn't even have to play a in a relegation playoff either year. It's a ridiculous situation caused by a stupid championship structure.
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 21/06/2016 12:27:12
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