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Replying To ziggy32001: "Carlow were not favorites to beat Meath! lol! Some people were saying that Carlow COULD shock Meath,but Meath wiped the floor with them." Ziggy. Carlow were actually fav, 4/5 and we were 5/4. I remember this very clearly as it was one of those days I had a fair few quid on us. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 25/06/2016 07:55:00 1871779 Link
It's hard to know whether to twist or stick when playing the Dubs. Set up too defensively and you're just going out to keep the score down, open it up and take a few chances and you risk a hiding. Too many Leinster sides have opted for safety, but in doing that they've been learning nothing about themselves, and this has shown in qualifiers. I hope Meath go out and show the character which is a vital ingredient of good Meath teams of the past. It mightn't be enough on this occasion, but everyone knows that the Dubs won't win Leinster forever. Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 25/06/2016 12:07:54 1871824 Link
Replying To Pericles: "It's hard to know whether to twist or stick when playing the Dubs. Set up too defensively and you're just going out to keep the score down, open it up and take a few chances and you risk a hiding. Too many Leinster sides have opted for safety, but in doing that they've been learning nothing about themselves, and this has shown in qualifiers. I hope Meath go out and show the character which is a vital ingredient of good Meath teams of the past. It mightn't be enough on this occasion, but everyone knows that the Dubs won't win Leinster forever." Thing is though you really have to try and find a balance Pericles, if we go man for man there's a good chance we'll see a repeat of 2014, if we stick with 13/14 men in defence for the whole game and don't have a go then we won't get enough scores to even dream of causing an upset. We need balance, belief and a shit pile of luck to cause an upset tomorrow but it's what our players should be aiming for. I would hope there is no talk of 'damage limitation' in the Meath camp and if there is I would hope any player with a shred of pride and self respect would walk away from such a set up. Sport at this level is about winning, granted there is a huge difference between Meath and Dublin these days but that's never an excuse to arrive in Croker with the white flag flying high. Have a right go and make sure you can look yourself in the mirror after the game and say "I couldn't have given a drop of sweat more". Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 25/06/2016 14:16:14 1871864 Link
Replying To Htaem: "Thing is though you really have to try and find a balance Pericles, if we go man for man there's a good chance we'll see a repeat of 2014, if we stick with 13/14 men in defence for the whole game and don't have a go then we won't get enough scores to even dream of causing an upset. We need balance, belief and a shit pile of luck to cause an upset tomorrow but it's what our players should be aiming for. I would hope there is no talk of 'damage limitation' in the Meath camp and if there is I would hope any player with a shred of pride and self respect would walk away from such a set up. Sport at this level is about winning, granted there is a huge difference between Meath and Dublin these days but that's never an excuse to arrive in Croker with the white flag flying high. Have a right go and make sure you can look yourself in the mirror after the game and say "I couldn't have given a drop of sweat more"." Well said htaem! bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1792 - 25/06/2016 15:05:18 1871870 Link
Replying To Htaem: "Thing is though you really have to try and find a balance Pericles, if we go man for man there's a good chance we'll see a repeat of 2014, if we stick with 13/14 men in defence for the whole game and don't have a go then we won't get enough scores to even dream of causing an upset. We need balance, belief and a shit pile of luck to cause an upset tomorrow but it's what our players should be aiming for. I would hope there is no talk of 'damage limitation' in the Meath camp and if there is I would hope any player with a shred of pride and self respect would walk away from such a set up. Sport at this level is about winning, granted there is a huge difference between Meath and Dublin these days but that's never an excuse to arrive in Croker with the white flag flying high. Have a right go and make sure you can look yourself in the mirror after the game and say "I couldn't have given a drop of sweat more"." Indeed.. 24 hours to the greatest shock in gaa history. Hon the Royal royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 25/06/2016 18:45:37 1871906 Link
Meath record v Dublin is the best in the country. In the last 35 years Meath have 10 wins and 6 draws v Dubs in leinster. Next is Kerry with I think with 5 wins 1 draw , then the rest of Leinster with 4 wins ( 2 wins kiLdare, 1 win Laois, 1 win Westmeath) . These 4 wins were managed by Kerrymen. The last time that a leinster team other then Meath bet Dublin managed by Leinster manager was in 1982 when Eugene McGee managed Offaly. Meath are Dublins bogey team, they have an outstanding record v the Dubs compared to Leinster and the best record in the country. They have a long tradition going bac 70 years of coming from nowhere and beating dominant successful Dublin teams. If I was from Dublin be very wary of underdog completely written off Meath Team. Meath to give at least almighty rattle , Tonny1975 (Mayo) - Posts: 114 - 25/06/2016 19:32:59 1871927 Link
Replying To Tonny1975: "Meath record v Dublin is the best in the country. In the last 35 years Meath have 10 wins and 6 draws v Dubs in leinster. Next is Kerry with I think with 5 wins 1 draw , then the rest of Leinster with 4 wins ( 2 wins kiLdare, 1 win Laois, 1 win Westmeath) . These 4 wins were managed by Kerrymen. The last time that a leinster team other then Meath bet Dublin managed by Leinster manager was in 1982 when Eugene McGee managed Offaly. Meath are Dublins bogey team, they have an outstanding record v the Dubs compared to Leinster and the best record in the country. They have a long tradition going bac 70 years of coming from nowhere and beating dominant successful Dublin teams. If I was from Dublin be very wary of underdog completely written off Meath Team. Meath to give at least almighty rattle ," As a Meathman you will always have belief against Dublin.But what evidence have we got over the last 4 years under MOD that Meath are progessing at any true rate and what evidence have we seen that they can truely beat Dublin? ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 25/06/2016 19:45:10 1871938 Link
All the ingredients of successful Meath teams are there already. Meath hav a long tradition of producing the best defenders in the country eg Paddy O Brien, Mick O Brien, Pat Collier, Jack Quinn, Mick Lyons, Robbie O Malley, Martin O Connell, Darren Fay and Mark O Reilly. I believe Keoghan has the ability to join the pantheons of great meath defenders. Keoghan is the best defender meath hav produced since Fay. If he reachs his true potential he cud be as good as say kieth Higgins. Meath hav always had strong midfields eg McDermont, McEntee, Hayes. Rooney is a skyrne midfielder . What I mean by that is Paddy O Brien was a skyrne midfielder, Liam Hayes was a skynre midfielder, John McDermont was a skyrne midfielder Like them Rooney has that natural aggression that those men had. Hes only 22 , midfielders only reach their peak til mid or late 20s. He is the real thing. Could become a great Meath midfielder. Finally Meath always produce great forwards eg Peter McDermont, Mattie Kerrigan, Colm O Rourke, Brian Stafford, Bernard Flynn, Graham Gerathy, Tommy Dowd, Trevor Giles, Ollie Murphy, Stephen Bray. Again there is quality in Meath forwards with Wallace, Sullivan, Reilly, McMahon, Newman, Tormey and McDonagh. Tormey cud be an important player. Meath teams r built on target man, while Tormey has played mostly in half forward and still learnin his trade in full forward line. I do think he links up well and is able to 50/50 ball .He cud be a surprise on Sunday v cooper.Rory O Conell is a massive loss. Pound for pound the best full back in Ireland. I cannot see Dublin winin All Ireland losing him. Meath r missing 3 full back themselves in Reily ( retird) McGill ( injured) and Menton unavailable. Burke cud be a weakness, not an out and out full back. He is all heart and a bit of warrior, that's wat Meath teams r built on I thinktheres huge potenatial in this Meath team with average age is 22-23. Those players r only going to get better. And with Andy McEntee in the wings with an outstandin managerial CV to be called in if Micko doesn't do goods this year. Things go in cyclex in gaelic football. Galway and Roscommon in the west. Cavan and Tyrone up north. And Meath and kildare in Leinster. All young teams to watch out in the next 5 year. Dublin r the team of the decade and one of the greatest if not the greatest to come out of the capital. They cud hamme rMeath that is possible, but I think its unlikey. More likey Meath to give Dublin a serious rattle. And a good chance of a win . I backed Meath at 16/1 to win leinster and have them well backed to win sunday . The last time I backed v dubs was when Donegal bet them. Ulster teams , Kerry teams and Meath teams are not in awe of Dublin. This Dublin r going peak soon or peaked last September. I wouldn't be surprised at all that they did not win another all Ireland. Anyway Meath to win by 5 . Tonny1975 (Mayo) - Posts: 114 - 25/06/2016 20:01:20 1871952 Link
The evidence is Meath. Meath u cud say since 1940s after Kerry have one of the best records/ best teams in Gaelic. Great tradition no fear of the top counties. Meath r always stronger at end of the decade. The problem in the last few years was Meath suffered wat Man Utd suffered when Ferguson left. When managers leave after decades of success ( Fergie, Boylan) that team goes into meltdown.There is chaos and little success. I think O Dowd he has steadied the ship and lay the foundations for future success. Is the man to deliver that success time wil tel the. If not Andy Mc Entee is waitin in the wings wit one of the best managerial CV outside intercounty level. There is talent eg Keoghan, Rooney, Wallace, Newman, Sullivan , Mcentee hav serious potential I hear its rainin tomorrow. Remember wat happened in 1986 and 1996 in the rain. 2016 cud join that list of great meath victories as massive underogs v Great Dublin teams . Meath to win 5 point I think is to much. wat was in 86 9 to 7 favour of Meath. 96 was 12 points Meath 10 points Dublin. I will go then for Dublin 0-11 Meath 1 -13 Tonny1975 (Mayo) - Posts: 114 - 25/06/2016 20:13:17 1871960 Link
Tonny1975 are you the lad whos writing a book? realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 25/06/2016 20:48:50 1871974 Link
Replying To Tonny1975: "The evidence is Meath. Meath u cud say since 1940s after Kerry have one of the best records/ best teams in Gaelic. Great tradition no fear of the top counties. Meath r always stronger at end of the decade. The problem in the last few years was Meath suffered wat Man Utd suffered when Ferguson left. When managers leave after decades of success ( Fergie, Boylan) that team goes into meltdown.There is chaos and little success. I think O Dowd he has steadied the ship and lay the foundations for future success. Is the man to deliver that success time wil tel the. If not Andy Mc Entee is waitin in the wings wit one of the best managerial CV outside intercounty level. There is talent eg Keoghan, Rooney, Wallace, Newman, Sullivan , Mcentee hav serious potential I hear its rainin tomorrow. Remember wat happened in 1986 and 1996 in the rain. 2016 cud join that list of great meath victories as massive underogs v Great Dublin teams . Meath to win 5 point I think is to much. wat was in 86 9 to 7 favour of Meath. 96 was 12 points Meath 10 points Dublin. I will go then for Dublin 0-11 Meath 1 -13" Are you a Meathman? You seem to know a lot about us.. What I am saying is,we haven't seen the potential with Meath as a team under MOD.I know you say Keoghan is very good,indeed you are correct,but he is only one defender.. ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 25/06/2016 21:04:32 1871980 Link
One more sleep. I know we can , scratch that, I know we will win. Hon the Royal. Bring em on. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 25/06/2016 21:33:29 1871998 Link
I believe we seen the potential not ful potential but there has been some. Take the Westmeath debacle last year. Yes second half disaster. But the first half was one the best attacking displays in croke park last year. In the league v Cavan Meath were 9 points up at one stage. Cavan are after drawin with Tyrone. Meath were also 9 point V Galway at one stage in the league. Galway r after beating Mayo. I know second half collapse which I will get to later. But these games under 0 Dowd, meath played 35 mins of quality football. It was not div 4 level , it was good high standard football. The problem with the collaspes is simply the age of the players from number 5 to number 12 we have used eg Power 22 ,Harnan 22, Douglas, 22-23? Rooney 22, Flanagan 22, O Brien 23, Wallace 22 , Sullivan 22 and McEntee 22. That's pretty much the half back line midfield and half forward line all around 22. They r not physically strong enough to control games for 70 mins. We r badly missing Menton and Gillespie. But when these players fiil out hit 24 -25 in the next few that's when you will see Meath controlling games more. Other players that have impressed me 1 Donnacha Tobin Marked Flynn in 14 and Flynn who did not touch the ball. Always plays well in croker. He good all round defender. Never lets u down 2 P Harnan Meath hav not had a quality centre bac since liam Harnan , Centre back is massive problem area for Meath over the years. Harnan has the potential to be top class centre back 3 Adam Flanagan / Harry Rooney midfield partnership. Both are 22 , You don't reach full potential til mid 20s in midfield . I think this partnership over the next few year has a lot of potential 4 McEntee- Missing sunday, he also looks like he has huge potential, cud become a real quality wing forward in the Paul Galvin mould 5 Sullivan - Meath next all star forward. Very good prospect. Reminds me of Darren Sullivan with vision. 6 Wallace - He scored 1-4 v Tyrone in Croke Park from play in 2014 at 19. Trevor Giles or Ollie Murphy did not score 1-4 from play at 19 in croker. Seems to have great tempermnent and pace to burn. Reminds of David Beggy but a better all round footballer 7 Newman- Come from the north of the county which seems to produce these top class forward talents every few years eg Brian Stafford, Ollie Murphy. You could also add Ray Magee and Brian Farrell to that list . (Not as good Staff or Murphy but good forwards all the same). He can look lacklustre at rimes, but I think he has potential. Hes a great goalscorer like Murphy . But if he can improve on his point scoring he can be top forward. 8 G Reilly- On his day one of the I have seen running with the ball and scoring. Just needs to do it against top teams. If he does he can become a All Star, He definatly has the talent While Power, Douglas, Rowe, Two O Briens, Jones ,P O Rourke, maybe S O Rourke there football in them as well There is footballers r young and hungry , will get stronger, and tomorrow cud be the first step in the fightback. Tonny1975 (Mayo) - Posts: 114 - 25/06/2016 21:45:52 1872007 Link
I'm not writing any book, don't know where you got that from. I'm just writing about how does Meath men will put it up to those Dubs tomorrow Tonny1975 (Mayo) - Posts: 114 - 25/06/2016 21:52:53 1872010 Link
Good start to the weekend The ladies beat meath 3-19 v 2-04 today. hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/06/2016 22:04:39 1872016 Link
Replying To Tonny1975: "I'm not writing any book, don't know where you got that from. I'm just writing about how does Meath men will put it up to those Dubs tomorrow" A history of Dublin and Meath? If not a book, what then? KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts: 711 - 25/06/2016 22:06:06 1872017 Link
I am writing history of Meath v Dublin so I hope u enjoy the read Sorry my mistake, just thought the line above suggested it. Obviously you were saying that you're actually writing the history now, on here. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 25/06/2016 22:12:34 1872024 Link
I wrote a history of Meath and Dublin for this site, on this Meath v Dublin message . but they wud not put it up. It was very long. I will try again Tonny1975 (Mayo) - Posts: 114 - 25/06/2016 22:13:57 1872025 Link
Replying To KerryKillers: "A history of Dublin and Meath? If not a book, what then?" There would be a market for such a book.. ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 25/06/2016 22:27:15 1872035 Link
Replying To ziggy32001: "There would be a market for such a book.." I'm surprised theres not one out there, or is there? KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts: 711 - 25/06/2016 23:33:25 1872055 Link