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Not true The only provincial winners to never get chance to play in Croke Park are still Roscommon, in 2001. And even then they didn't get to play a home quarter final manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts: 541 - 02/07/2016 13:15:33 1874989 Link 0 |
5th Feb Division 3 rd 1, division 2 round 1 Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 02/07/2016 13:31:34 1874993 Link 0 |
I posted another season structure probably addresses these problems a little. Division 1 gets played parallel to the Provincial championships but will be over before provincial championship Finals. Season structure uses the current GAA season but also includes designated weeks for club championship to be played. There's lower tier championships that allow teams to progress to the AI series without really skipping rounds ahead. The main problem could be that the Junior season ends early. A junior team could be knocked out as early as 7th May. Even the Junior final is played around the June bank holiday. It may not be such a bad thing though. Gives plenty of time for club championship and also the players from the weaker counties may be more prepared to commit to a short season where they're getting regular matches. They still get the opportunity to play provincial championship and if they do particularly well they can go on a run and reach an AI QF. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 02/07/2016 14:08:08 1875005 Link 0 |
I don't see the point in talking about structures that don't take account of recent motions or proposed motions to congress. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7881 - 02/07/2016 17:21:59 1875069 Link 0 |
That B championship didn't have a route back into the AI. I agree though, your suggestion is a simple change that could go through and would improve things. Re: motions though, most don't go through first time. I may be mistaken but the motions to bring the AI finals forward and to remove replays other than finals were both tabled directly from Croke Park. I've been told they're likely to come up again and that they should eventually get through. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 02/07/2016 17:52:00 1875084 Link 0 |
I thought they were right with the idea to reward the B winner with a qualifier place of the following year. B winners should only enter the 1st round of the top tier. It's only possible in the following year. It is possible in hurling as the Ring Cup is played off so early. The route was still their for Division 4 counties to make provincial finals. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7881 - 02/07/2016 22:10:41 1875179 Link 0 |
My proposal doesn't really see lower tier winners skip ahead rounds. The Junior champions skip one round of the Intermediate championship but they've had to win at least 3 rounds to do so. The Intermediate champion goes straight to the quarter-finals, but they've come out top in a championship that includes all but the top 10 in the country. They've earned their spot. The Junior Championship as above is over early. I think it's superior to the current system where you have the league finishing on 3rd April and then the likes of Wicklow waiting 6 weeks before their next game and then another 5 weeks more until the qualifiers. Similar stories for Carlow and London. I can't blame it when players aren't fussed on signing up for that. Meanwhile the club game is getting pushed back, which surely doesn't do anything to help the matter. The big problems with the current season is a lack of time for club championship, lack of competitive fixtures, poor training to games ratio. The above system addresses those problems. Keeps all teams in with 2 chances to qualify for the All Ireland. No group stages, I'm as sceptical as you are as to whether they'd suit our games. Gives weaker teams more chance of winning championship silverware. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 02/07/2016 23:13:18 1875201 Link 0 |
I have never understood the logic behind a b championship, surely the main problem in football is the handfull of teams at the top who are a good bit ahead of the rest and the handfull of teams at the bottom with everyone else been fairly similar. ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 02/07/2016 23:19:35 1875204 Link 0 |
Yeh fair enough I'd agree with that, maybe lower tier championships aren't needed. I'm kind of just throwing out suggestions that might make things more interesting for the players/fans. B championships outside the wider All Ireland are a complete no go. The qualifiers aren't especially popular either. Legendzxix suggestion is a decent improvement on the current qualifier system though and could spark a bit of life into it. It could be just that there isn't much interest in games outside of those between the top teams and there isn't much that can be done about it. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 02/07/2016 23:33:25 1875211 Link 0 |